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AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos [Sandy Berger is the focus of a criminal investigation]
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Posted on 07/19/2004 5:07:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: petitfour

Guess who was in charge of the investigation of Waco?

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/04-13-04/discussion.cgi.16.html


1,151 posted on 07/19/2004 8:59:37 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: kristinn

``The House Intelligence Committee has not been informed on the loss or theft of any classified intelligence information from the Archives, but we will follow up and get the information that is appropriate for the committee to have,'' the committee said Monday in a statement. ``And if it has occurred, we should be informed. If there has been delay in getting the information to the committee we need to know why.''

That "we need to know why" line suggests to me that we have hearings on this in our future. Kind of like Memogate--when how they were discovered seemed to trump content-- when the weak-spined GOPers caved even though they had the Rats dead to rites. We grap defeat out of the jaws of victory a lot.


1,152 posted on 07/19/2004 8:59:47 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: MJY1288

This may develop into more than a few ARKANCIDES.


1,153 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:14 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: McGavin999

If this investigation has been going on for 9 months, then chances are it is about more than just Sandy.


1,154 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:29 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: AGreatPer

Well it won't be hillary,maybe Dennis Kucinich will be ready to stop campaigning to accept the nomination. LOL!!!!!


1,155 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:32 PM PDT by samantha (Don't panic, the adults are in charge)
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To: McGavin999

Nothing will save Kerry now.


1,156 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:33 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Mo1
In other words, the "wall of separation" constructed by Jamie Gorelick made it virtually impossible for U.S. authorities to stop Ahmed Rassam, the "Millenium Bomber," by design or intention. It was left to blind luck. The NSC's Millennium After Action Review — which, based on Attorney General Ashcroft's testimony, must be devastating in its analysis of not only this event but of the Gorelick policy — remains classified. And, most significantly, it's likely the Review's criticisms and warnings were either ignored or rejected by the Clinton Justice Department.

This is the SAME "GORELICK" that served as a 9/11 commissioner and blasted Bush!!

1,157 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:37 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: kcvl
BS! He was the freaking National Security Adviser, he knows what is a classified document and which are originals. This is exactly their MO.

REGARDLESS if they are orginals or copies .. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE ROOM

He knows that

1,158 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:45 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: Wolfstar

Good rundown, Wolfstar. This is going to get interesting. We now have a liar (Wilson) and a felon (Berger) advising the Kerry campaign.


1,159 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:52 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: notforhire
Sandy Berger is a lying piece of crap...

FBI was not focused as sharply on counterterrorism as the CIA. The overall impression that the Bureau conveyed to us, until the very end of our time in office, was that al Qaeda had a limited capacity to operate in the U.S. and that its presence here was under surveillance. The stream of threat information we received each day pointed repeatedly to attacks on U.S. interests abroad, not at home. And because that was the daily threat picture, that was where we focused most of our attention. Nonetheless, when presented with specific domestic threats - such as during the Millennium period - we protected the homeland.

Finally, you asked about the transition. When the Clinton administration ended, we did our best to alert the incoming team to the terrorist threat in general and the al Qaeda threat specifically. During the transition, Bush administration officials received intensive briefings on terrorism. As the press has reported, I told my successor Condoleezza Rice that she would be spending more time on terrorism and bin Laden than any other issue.

1,160 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:56 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Peach
"That is one big mistake Bush made when taking office, imo."

You are so correct. Being nicey, nicey with these people does NOT work. Look at what T. Kennedy has done. It doesn't work.

This and "Illegals" puts a sour note on this administration. Admit, it sure beats the hell out of the alternative, but not really happy, happy. Maybe setting up for 2nd term, but I doubt it.

Pandering is more common today just to get re-elected. I don't have to like it though.

1,161 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:58 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Who authorized Kerry's Purple Hearts?)
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To: 1rudeboy
Sooooo Clinton's National SECURITY guy apologizes for his SLOPPINESS!! And we wonder why we were hit so hard on 9-11.....this is a ahigh crime and much worse than a misdemeanor!!

Chipmunk Cheeks is in BIG TROUBLE!!

1,162 posted on 07/19/2004 9:00:59 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: kcvl
I found this while searching GOOGLE.

And a fine photo it is of Julius Berger, Che` Kerry and Fidel Clinton at the Hanoi Embassy.

1,163 posted on 07/19/2004 9:01:21 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Peach
I doubt I'll be able to post a thread because I'm very busy at work, but I have to laugh at watching the repeat of Hardball, they're whining about Arnold calling the California Dems "Girlymen"

Something tells me that we won't ever hear about that comment again ROFLMAO.

What we will see in the next few weeks, is the Democrats doing damage control, the DEM Convention is going to look like a Wake, and not a Wellstone Wake either.

1,164 posted on 07/19/2004 9:01:36 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: McGavin999
Don't you find it interesting that the media is identifying Berger with the Clinton administration? Like, suddenly they are willing to throw Clinton over the side in order to save Kerry.

I did notice that .. might be because they know they can't stuff this story under the rug and have to pin it on someone

1,165 posted on 07/19/2004 9:02:18 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: OXENinFLA

oh no its Berger-gate.

I wonder what was in his FBI file to do this act to protect Hitlary and Bill.


1,166 posted on 07/19/2004 9:02:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Sub-Driver
(1) Didn't Sandy Berger testify under oath to the 9/11 Commission that he sent memos out to airlines and border patrol agents which led to the apprehension of would-be LAX-bomber Ahmed Ressam? And didn't customs inspector Diana Dean, who personally caught Ressam say the very next day that there was absolutely NO MEMOS OR WARNINGS WHATSOEVER from the NSC, CIA, FBI or anyone in the Clinton Apparatus? Did Berger therefore lie under oath?

(2) Did the after-report documents which Berger apparently stole and destroyed contain explicit warnings to Clinton about Al Queda plans to use airplanes to target buildings? If so, did the Clintons order these destroyed to eliminate the clear evidence of their own malfeasance?

1,167 posted on 07/19/2004 9:02:31 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Howlin

I think it's more than a payoff. It's putting a compromised person in a position of great information gathering. At that point, Bubba could not very well trust the folks in the CIA to give him information. He went above them. Or maybe he thought that he was going around the CIA. Who knows.


1,168 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:19 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Shermy; Carl/NewsMax; Steve Malzberg; Mia T; Interesting Times; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; ...
October: Berger returns a few documents after the Archive contact Lindsey, Bill Clinton's attorney....

Next paragraphs:

When FBI agents searched Berger's home next JANUARY with search warrants Berger's safe was opened.

More missing secret documents from the Archive were then found in Sandy berger's home office safe......

-- [paraphrased]

Sandy Berger was willfully and knowingly and illegally (repeatedly!) removing and concealing confidential secret Archive documents from the Clinton administration that were requested by the 911 Commission dealing with A-Q and terrorism threats to the USA!

Sandy Berger is Kerry's "unofficial advisor"!

Like Joe "Yellowcake" Wilson who wrote his NYT's Op-Eds and whored all over TV while working for John Kerry's campaign!

And "Co-Whored" with WABC 770am NYC's JOHN BATCHELOR [Show] and democrat activist JOHN LOFTIS tonight with JOE WILSON as the revisionist guest [until about 12 midnight Monday, July 19, 2004] of "RINO JOHN" BATCHELOR, who is a big JOHN KERRY booster!





1,169 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:19 PM PDT by devolve (---------------- [--------------Hello from Sunny South Florida-------------)
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To: woodyinscc

Oh, we were joking. I hope it's clear I've got a firm handle on how the clintons and their minions operate.


1,170 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:32 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We will fear no evil...And we will prevail")
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To: Ann Archy

Isn't it amazing how Kerry is in hiding this week? They knew this was coming and there is more to come.


1,171 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:43 PM PDT by AGreatPer (Who authorized Kerry's Purple Hearts?)
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To: kcvl
He claims he took them to study in preparation for his testimony

The report was that he stuffed some of the notes in his jacket, and stuffed some in his pants...What is it about Clinton-related scandals and pants?

1,172 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:43 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: kristinn
"Looks like a good reason to cleanse the record."

Clarke was writing his book at this time frame. Sure makes sense all that special treatment given to him by the commission.

The whole Commission is now nothing but a conspiracy to cover up what the Clintons did not do and an attempt to destroy President Bush so this bunch could get back in power.

Now "if" Hillry really plans on becoming president it is in her best interest to make sure that JFKerry gets no where near that White House.

Berger seems to have been playing both sides Clinton and JFKerry. He sure is a devoted player in the Cult of Clintonism.
1,173 posted on 07/19/2004 9:03:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Mo1

We'll know why this story broke now soon when other parties start leaking and spinning.


1,174 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:02 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: BurbankKarl

Funny, not on the LA Times website

News hotlines: News concerning the Washington, D.C., area (202) 293-4650.


News related to other areas of the U.S. (213) 237-7092. Fax: (213) 237-4712.
E-mail: dcburo@latimes.com


1,175 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:06 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: MJY1288

It will be interesting to see what Kerry does now with Berger.

There needs to be some electronic gadget that I don't own that would tape Rush's show for me. And a tape recorder just won't do it, I don't think.


1,176 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:43 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Mo1

Oh, we're only talking about papers. Time to "move on." (/cynicism)


1,177 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:46 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: Mo1

Ahh..finally a story that cannot be ignored. Clinton official will dominate the headlines. They;ve dodged before,,they;ll do it again. Kerry is going to be looking like a monkey humping a football for the next few weeks. Berger IS ADVISING KERRY ON FOREIGN POLICY. Enough said.


1,178 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:53 PM PDT by Shaka
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To: onyx

I've got to go feed my dogs, as they are milling about mournfully. I'd like to think that when we wake up in the morning, this story will have become a media firestorm. Not likely, but I can hope. Night, Onyx. We are only just beginning to learn about this story. Details are sketchy now, and there's much to piece together. But FReepers are good at it.


1,179 posted on 07/19/2004 9:04:53 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Get off your duffs and VOTE for Bush-Cheney in Nov. Your life may depend on it.)
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To: Howlin

How long before Matthews invites Kristen and the other New Jersey widows to come on his show and cry foul? Don't hold your breath.


1,180 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:01 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: kcvl

Hopefully, Justice will be done.


1,181 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:16 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Shermy

Wow, I gotta go find the Dramamine. All that spin left me queasy!


1,182 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:17 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ( "While I take inspiration from the past, like most Americans, I live for the future. " - R. Reagan)
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To: devolve

Who's next? God, I hope Jamie Rubin gets wrecked like Wilson and Berger.


1,183 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:37 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Mo1
LOL, The best part of all of this.... Is the fact that the Dems demanded these investigations, and it was Hillary Rotten Clinton who first waived the daily newspaper on the Senate Floor and asked the question: "What did the President Know, and When Did He Know It"

It simply doesn't get any better than this :-)

1,184 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:41 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: Peach; holdonnow
Marc Levin...

In other words, the "wall of separation" constructed by Jamie Gorelick made it virtually impossible for U.S. authorities to stop Ahmed Rassam, the "Millenium Bomber," by design or intention. It was left to blind luck. The NSC's Millennium After Action Review — which, based on Attorney General Ashcroft's testimony, must be devastating in its analysis of not only this event but of the Gorelick policy — remains classified. And, most significantly, it's likely the Review's criticisms and warnings were either ignored or rejected by the Clinton Justice Department.

1,185 posted on 07/19/2004 9:05:46 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: StarFan

Somebody should "alert" her to this ongoing, breaking news story and get her views on it. :-)

After all, she's been DENIED access to ALL the records, hasn't she?


1,186 posted on 07/19/2004 9:06:06 PM PDT by Howlin (John Kerry & John Edwards: Political Malpractice)
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To: 1rudeboy
The Associated Press has learned.

Government and congressional officials familiar with the investigation, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because the probe involves classified materials, said the investigation remains active and no decision has been made on whether Berger should face criminal charges.

In the FBI search of his office, Berger also was found in possession of a small number of classified note cards containing his handwritten notes from the Middle East peace talks during the 1990s, but those are not a focus of the current criminal probe, officials and lawyers said.

The missing documents involve two or three draft versions of the report as it was evolving and being refined by the Clinton administration, officials and lawyers say. The Archives is believed to have copies of some of the missing documents.

I don't know AP sourcing conventions -- can a former official like Berger be identified as a "government official"? If so, this story is so full of passive voices and uncertainties that I wonder whether the Berger legal team is preemptively leaking it, having gotten wind of some investigation moving farther up the food chain. "Lawyers" is surely a Berger attorney, so "officials" probably would be on his team too. Just wild speculation, of course, but it's as good as anything given the info we have so far.

1,187 posted on 07/19/2004 9:06:17 PM PDT by untenured
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To: Peach

Limbaugh posts a transcript I believe


1,188 posted on 07/19/2004 9:06:29 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: cyncooper
I just thought of something .. this story was about airports and ports

Why does that anonymous fax the Jersey Girls rec'd keep popping in my head?
1,189 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:01 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: Wolfstar

"....But if I understand other posters on this thread correctly, then he stole the documents sometime last October. If Berger was in the National Archives looking at the same Millenium material Ashcroft testified about five months later, that seems to reinforce what Ashcroft was saying about something even more explosive than the Gorelick bombshell."


Richard Clarke was writing his book at this same time frame. He takes the credit for no attacks during Y2K.

There was no doubt in my mind with Ashcroft's words and Gorelick's face that she knew darn well what he was saying, while I didn't have a clue.


1,190 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:03 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Peach
Whoa, that Levin article connects a bunch of dots.

The 1999 millennium bomber after action report not only says Clinton ignored the al Quada warnings and did nothing, it points to Gorelick's wall of separation as the cause of our inability to stop the 9/11 attack.

So that's why it was so important to rewrite.

1,191 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:06 PM PDT by snooker
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To: Wolfstar

Night Wolfstar.
My head is about to explode.
I'm fixing to call it a night too.


1,192 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:11 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry/Edwards: It's the hair, stupid.)
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To: cyncooper
I hope it's clear I've got a firm handle on how the clintons and their minions operate.

Very very clear. You are a great asset to FR.

1,193 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:14 PM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: MJY1288
How long before we hear that Clinton is who asked him to go to the National Archives?

Not long as it's stated in the article posted in thread1,079.... "Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission".

1,194 posted on 07/19/2004 9:07:24 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Shaka

We'll see. The media is very good at ignoring things that destory the Left.


1,195 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:23 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: MJY1288
It simply doesn't get any better than this :-)

No it doesn't .. *L*

1,196 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:28 PM PDT by Mo1 (50 States .... I want all 50 States come November!)
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To: StarFan

I know, but the mainstream media will avoid reporting it for as long as they can. Sorry for not making my statement more clear


1,197 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:30 PM PDT by MJY1288 ("KERRY" & "EDWARDS" ARE TWO "JOHNS" THAT NEED FLUSHING!)
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To: CFC__VRWC

You're absolutely right,on all accounts.I just wish more people knew this.


1,198 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MJY1288; All
I'm trying to catch up...up to reply #343

Has it been determined when Berger took these documents!

1,199 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:54 PM PDT by Seeking the truth ( www.0cents.com - See the Ronald Reagan Stamps!)
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To: Shermy

Thanks for that newer article. So Clinton asked him to review docs in October, Berger testified in April as I recall watching on television, and he was already under investigations and this is the first we've heard of it????

If it had been a Republican, the leak would have been the day after it happened in October.

And Berger has retained counsel.


1,200 posted on 07/19/2004 9:08:56 PM PDT by Peach
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