Skip to comments.AP: Clinton Adviser Probed in Terror Memos [Sandy Berger is the focus of a criminal investigation]
Posted on 07/19/2004 5:07:42 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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This throws some of the conclusions of the 9/11 committee report into question. Perhaps the calls for yet another layer of bureaucracy to "oversee" the CIA (besides the Intelligence Committee, which didn't do squat) were a tad premature.
YES, YES, YES, YES. Dig deep enough and uncover as much as we can. What a slime pot.
Thank God for Alamo-Girl...I had forgotten about all that stuff
"Al Felzenberg... said Tuesday the Berger investigation will not impact the panel's work in any way."
WTF?? Clinton's handling of AL QAEDA doesn't have any bearing on 9/11??
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Lol, it is still a crime and needs to be punished.
Oh, no, not boring ME! Please go on Fishtalk! What about Lindsey??????????
I love the speculation .....
The documents were in the 9-11 Commission Reading Room, right? Therefore, the fact that the originals were safe in the National Archives made no difference. Berger pulled the copies from the 9-11 RR so NO ONE ELSE WOULD READ THEM. In other words, he probably mistakenly selected them for the Commission and when he realized the mistake, he had to make them unavailable to the commission.
In stuffing the docs down his pant, he was covering his arse, literally!
"I bet David Gergen feels like a fool!"
Thanks for the link! I heard Kelly Wright,Fox, report that Berger put documents..even in his socks.
Gergen and the rest of the dems are still spinning the "inadvertent" story and questioning the timing of this news. They, like Slick Willie, have no shame.
I don't think they have all the facts yet, just Berger's version.
Ginsberg: "Kerry Must Answer This ESSENTIAL Point Re: Sandy Berger":
Here is what the Berger "down the pants flap" is all about:
FR attention required: Clinton's consigliere, Lindsey, was contacted after Berger doc theft:
Berger, Clarke Spin for Kerry on Iraq:
"Sandy Berger Probed Over Terror Memos" - Put Documents IN HIS SOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just saw a Senator from MO, a Republican no less (think his name was Senator Bond) interviewed on Fox. He pretty much was saying "no biggy". What is wrong with these people? If we can't our own party reps to say this is an outrage....ohhh, this just really ticks me off.
This is the time for our Republican leaders to be shouting from the rooftops about this criminal activity by Berger to any news outlet that will listen. Are they are so afraid of being called "partisan"! So what, we're going to be called that anyway! This is making me sick. /rant
Clinton = confusion
We really don't know yet if we survived his presidency.
If he really did put it in his socks as well as his pants, that really, really, looks juvenile and pathetic. Oh I hope so, I hope so!
Meanwhile, Berger is saying there is nothing sinister about his actions, it's all a big mistake. CNN is bringing up this story every half hour and giving it lots more time this morning than they did late last night.
He is denying stuffing his socks now..."a man with decades of experience handling classified documents," according to Hastert, "has a lot of explaining to do."
Dems are suggesting the timing stinks (that's the last angle in the story per CNN).
What I want to know is: was there a video camera working during Berger's lifting of the documents and if so, why hasn't it been released to FOX news?
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Hmmmm, not sure if it was in the reading room but if so, that does explain things.
Okay, here's my speculation as to how this went down, finally getting some pieces of the puzzle.
There was set up a 9/11 commission "reading room" that was overseen by the National Archive staff, and likely reviewed by the CIA types for national security, as according to the leak it was the NA staff that reported it. The reading room had been properly supplied with all pertinant material as ordered to the Archive staff.
Sandy Burglar went to the reading room and tried to remove, or DID remove, some of the documentation available to others as part of the shared system. NA staff saw Burglar stuffing some of the stuff down his pants and leaving.
I think the justice department set up a sting. So they replaced one of the copies that Burglar took out of the reading room with some sort of specially watermarked copy. Daring him, when he returned to steal more stuff, to RE-STEAL the copy that he had stolen yesterday...oh drat, Burglar said to himself, someone figured out that this was missing....
That's how they caught him. A warrant and boom, that special watermarked copy was in his house.
I don't buy that Burglar made a "mistake" and forgot all the originals were safe back in the NA. Burglar wanted to remove those documents from the reading room so that whoever else had access to those documents wouldn't see them. And why would they ask to see them if they didn't know they exist? It was a desperate move but hey, another FOB eats dirt for the King and Queen.
Yesterday the justice dept notified the 9/11 commission about the investigation because, well I think they had to. Someone from the 9/11 commission leaked it.
However it's been weirdly phrased up to this missive, I think Bruce Lindsay was contacted simply because Burglar gave him Lindsay's name as his attorney. Burglar was probably told all that stuff about an attorney and hey, he's entitled to his rights under the constitution too.
Okay, back to more wool-gathering.
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In criminal terms, the words to flag are "to my knowledge", stated by the man who was in control of, in possession of, and stole said documents to begin with. If he HAD handed over all the requested documents, he'd have said "all the requested documents were handed over to the commission" without hesitation. That would have been the gut reaction of an innocent man.
This sounds too much like Hillary getting a sudden hankering to play WhiteHousefrau and shred White Water documents that could have resulted in her conviction.
Yeah, I saw Kip Bond, too. I expected it from the democrat, but Bond has joined the "move along, nothing to see here" crowd.
Denny Hastert ping. Good job, Speaker.
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Hey, I've got it stuck in my head that Berger testified for the Starr report, but can't find anything on it. Do you recall that?
Federal probe targets Clinton's national security adviser
From John King, CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Samuel Berger, former President Clinton's national security adviser, is under federal criminal investigation for allegedly removing classified documents and handwritten notes from a National Archives screening room during preparations for his testimony before the 9/11 commission.
Sources familiar with the investigation confirmed it to CNN on Monday.
The sources told CNN the investigation began last October, after Berger spent roughly 30 hours over three or four days reviewing what one said was "tens of thousands of pages" of Clinton administration documents to comply with a request from the 9/11 commission.
Berger was designated as the official from the Clinton administration who would review documents relevant to commission inquiries. He was also a witness at the 9/11 commission hearings and reviewed records to prepare for his personal testimony.
The Associated Press first reported the story Monday.
In a statement, Berger acknowledged that he removed his handwritten notes without first having them reviewed for sensitive information, and he also said he "inadvertently" removed some of the classified documents he had reviewed during his time at the Archives.
National Archives' policy requires that if someone reviews classified documents and wants to take their handwritten notes with them, those notes must first be cleared by archivists.
In his statement, Berger said that "when I was informed by the Archives there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had, except for a few documents that apparently I had accidentally discarded."
"I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced," he said.
A Berger associate, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the FBI served warrants and searched both Berger's home and office earlier this year as part of the investigation.
A government official familiar with the investigation said that some documents are still missing.
Among the documents Berger says he inadvertently took, the sources confirmed, were drafts of a Clinton administration "after action" report on efforts to thwart al Qaeda around the time of the millennium.
Archives officials told investigators that at least one draft of that report is still missing.
Officials close to Berger said it was ludicrous to suggest that he was trying to hide damaging information from the 9/11 commission.
They said the drafts were written by Clinton counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke and had been changed somewhat, as is customary, as the drafts were circulated among relevant agencies and officials.
But the sources close to Berger said there were other copies of the drafts, that the commission had the final version of the report and that Clarke had said there were not significant changes during the drafting process.
The sources said the FBI had contacted Berger several months ago and that he hired Lanny Breuer, who has since been in contact with prosecutors.
Berger has stressed his willingness to cooperate, but investigators have not asked to speak directly with him as yet, the sources said.
Asked if it unusual that Berger has not yet been interviewed, the government official familiar with the investigation responded that investigators would do so once they are satisfied they have the evidence they need.
Sources close to Berger said they did not believe there was a grand jury impaneled as part of the investigation and that to the best of their knowledge, Clarke and other Clinton administration officials who have knowledge of the documents in question -- and specifically about any changes made in the drafting process of the millennium report -- have not been questioned.
One of these sources questioned the timing of the leak, three days before the public release of the 9/11 commission report.
"There is a story here, and Sandy concedes he made an inadvertent mistake," one source, a former Clinton administration colleague, said. "But this has been kept confidential for months. So why now?"
A Justice Department spokesman had no comment when asked about the Berger probe.
Berger currently serves as an informal adviser to the campaign of presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry.
...Accidentally, of course.
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Yes, he did. McCain was on the committee with Kerry. Waiting for him to bite Bush in the hand...he normally does it about once a week, so he's overdue.
Well, of course! He didn't mean to do it, but President Bush made him so mad about the whole Iraq/Halliburton thing, that he was enraged, grabbed the fisrt thing he saw and started shredding.
Really, if you think about it, its Bush's fault. And Halliburton, too.
I was wondering the same thing. Does the National Archives have cameras in their viewing rooms. I would think they did. If so, Berger is in a boatload of trouble.
It's like Winona RIder saying she inadvertantly took merchandise from one department to another - she didn's shoploift. WHen the video came out of her stuffing clothes in her bag, GUILTY.
If there is one, show me a the video
Timing of the leak seems to be the only RAT spin for the day. Meanwhile is John effin still on vacation?
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I don't know if there is video, but the Berglar was observed by a guard and subsequently set up with a sting.
I don't usually subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I can't understand how McAuliffe has escaped any investigation into such a large transaction that doesn't pass any smell test. I am also amazed that so many people, like Berger and Hubbell, are willing to fall on their swords for the Clintons. I am also amazed at the many people who end up as patsies of the Clinton machine. In Martha Stewart's case I think she's the perfect Clinton patsy. She's widely disliked, rich, and unaware.
"Gergen tells N-B-C's "Today" show the incident is "more innocent than it looks." "
Oh, sure, innocent people always hide documents in their socks.
"I don't think they have all the facts yet, just Berger's version."
Papers inadvertently jumped into Berger's underpants...and they say this with a straight face!
I was reading those excerpts last night...until 2 am...oh, my! Anyway, forgetfulness seems to be Berger's strong suit. Forgets to tell Clinton for 18 mos. that secrets have been stolen from Los Alamos, forgets that he stuffs documents in his pants......I'm sure there's more!!
The media seems concentrated on the "timing" of this story.....they'll find a way to blame Pres. Bush. When Bush took office I kept saying NO ONE deserves the mess Clinton left him. I hope I live long enough to see the Clinton's crew get the blame they deserve....sigh....
Their spin often takes the form of accusing others of what they themselves are guilty of.
I suspect the democrats knew this would come out eventually, and feared its impact would be far more damaging in the fall right before the election. So they pull a clinton favorite tactic, leaking it themselves in July, in hopes it will burn itself out well in advance of the election and counting on the American public's short attention span--all the while hopping up and down and squealing about republican timing.
I just can't comprehend what on earth the Clintons have on Sandy Berger to make him pull a stunt like this. What kind of database do these evil creatures keep? It happens over and over again--people all around them fall on their swords and the Toon and the Beast just keep on rolling along. Amazing.
Fish: You said you think the Justice Dept. set up a sting.
I've read that the Archives notified Berger on Oct. 2 that there was a problem. The Archives inspector general then began investigating and didn't turn it over to the FBI until January. So any "sting" was set up by the archives.
THEO: Amazing how fast this story is developing.
Now we know the disappeared "drafts" were written by Richard Clarke at Berger's behest. I bet Clarke's involved in this. He's developed almost an almost bigger interest in rearranging history than the Toons.
John King's story reveals a new spin angle: "Hey! What does it matter is he took a few lousy drafts...after all, the commission has the FINAL MEMO".
From my recollection of all the lawyers on TV during the Toon administration, it's not a good sign for Berger that he hasn't been interviewed.
Just heard Rush state this and went right to the end of this thread and sure enough, see you guys are on top of it. Why aren't we surprised?
It should have ALREADY BEEN FRONT PAGE NEWS! What a baffoon! Doesn't reflect on Sen. Kerry?!!! WHAT!!!! And Gergen calls Berger an "honorable man?!!!" How laughable!!!! IS THERE NOT EVEN ONE HONEST, DECENT MEMBER OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION IN THIS ENTIRE COUNTRY? ... someone who could come forth and just be honest, truthful, righteous...a LOVER of AMERICA and all that is AMERICA and all it stands for to be called AMERICAN?! Truly sad to say...I don't think so...not at all...not EVEN one.... :-(
You can be pretty sure there is a video otherwise Burglar would have used the Clinton defense: Deny, Deny, Deny!!! His admission of guilt means that he was caught redhanded on videotape.
Of course, only FoxNews and Rush et al will pursue it ... but it would make for a great advertisement.
"If we can't get our own party reps to say this is an outrage....ohhh, this just really ticks me off."
I know how you feel. It's like watching the mother with the awful, bratty, fit-throwing kid who says very softly.....'now honey'.
Lott took the same stance this morning. Bond did take the opportunity to say that Kerry needed to indicate national security is an issue he takes seriously since Berger is an advisor.
I was saying THANK GOD Bush will be in there to preserve evidence from the Toon administration. If it had been Gore, all this would've disappeared a long time ago.
I tuned to CNN a while ago and Wolf was interviewiing Susan Page, who wrote the Berger article for USA Today. I only caught the tail end of it.
Wolf was saying to her, "Well, I bet it's going to get a lot more prominent play in those other papers' front pages tomorrow." Susan said yes, she agreed.
Wolf then remarked that she'd covered Berger for a long time. Did this sound like the Berger she knows? Page: "No. I've always known him to be straight forward in his dealings with me. This isn't like him at all." [Wish I knew what they'd been talking about...]
You can bet you sweet bippy the rest of us would be charged...especially those who work for defense contractors or other federal agencies/departments, who work close to anything dealing with national defense. SHAME on HIM!!! Rush is right...if this had been Condi Rice or any other Republican, this would be front-page, 24-hour, non-stop news coverage/commentary. Heard it's on page 17 of the NY Slimes and on the interior of the WPost as well. Sickening!
This reminds me of the Senate Republicans discovering the memo with the Democrat plan to influence of an affirmative action court decision by preventing a judicial appointment before it was decided, and other important stuff about how the Dems were influenced to block judicial appointments...and the story became, how did the Republicans get the memo, and Republican heads roll. Democrat senators, along with Gergen, are already telling the media how suspicious this news breaking now is...
The Dems are trying to change this to the "timing of the release of this information." This can't be allowed to happen! This is HUGE -- I mean, I thought this was huge last night, but in his SOCKS?! This is bigger than Watergate. As Hugh Hewitt and Rush Limbaugh have said, among others, if this was Condi Rice just imagine what would be going on in the media today.