Hotter-burning sun warming the planet

The Washington Times ^ | July 19, 2004 | Michael Leidig (LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH)

[neverdem]

The sun is burning hotter than usual, offering a possible explanation for global warming that needs to be weighed when proceeding with expensive efforts to cut emissions of greenhouse gases, Swiss and German scientists say.

"The sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures," said Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research.

"The sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently — in the last 100 to 150 years," Mr. Solanski said.

Average global temperatures have increased by about 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.36 degrees Fahrenheit) over the past 20 years and are widely believed to be responsible for new extremes in weather patterns.

Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.

Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Mr. Solanki's research.

[neverdem]

Other threads on the Telegraph's version are here and here.

[neverdem]

PING

[randog]

...The sun is burning hotter than usual, offering a possible explanation for global warming...

Hmmmm....I put a pot of water on the stove and turn it on to warm. The water gets warm. I turn the heat to medium; the water gets warmer. I turn it to high and the water boils.

I dunno....the sun gets hotter, the earth gets hotter--sounds kinda whacky to me.

[mlbford2]

Bush's fault

[American in Israel]

Makes more sense than cow farts heating the planet to me.

[Jeff Chandler]

Hotter-burning sun warming the planet

I thought it seemed a bit toasty today.

[Paleo Conservative]

Better put some ice on that!

[Chummy]

Balderdash!

We all know the warming is because the USA does not support the Kyoto Treaty.

</sarcasm>

[Dimez Apart]

O MY SOUL, its it possible that the Sun is resposible for making earth hotter? Thats not possible, cause i saw a movie, and we're all supposed to freeze to death because of Dick Chaney's global warming!!
I call dibs on predicting Bush or Chaney uses this factoid in the debates to ward off the Eco-Commies 'Day after Tomorrow' questions.

[quantim]

"The sun is in a changed state...."

Viewing this from the prism of an astronomical timescale, I conclude the writer is an imbecile.  The Sun is not changing, but perhaps the collection, observation, compilation, and dissemination of data is.

[quantim]

At any given time.

[smoothsailing]

That pesky sun is at it again.

What's a lib to do?

[John Valentine]

I was looking for that on this thread....

[rottndog]

Global Warming has 5 syllables: Global Warming Hoax!

[WestVirginiaRebel]

If anything is causing global warming, it's the hot air coming from these pseudo-scientific whackos.

[Kozak]

Well if it is burning hotter somehow someway IT'S BUSH'S FAULT!

[neverdem]

Satellites measuring radiant energy from the sun have also detected an increase over the last 25 years or so.

[rottndog]

The Sun is ALWAYS changing--you just have to view it through the prism of time. The ONLY thing constant is change.

[blasater1960]

Sounds like more dirty tricks by Bush, Cheney and Halliburton....

Halliburton is working giant sun glasses for the earth....

[Robert Taylor]

If Al Gore fell in the forest from the hotter sun, would anyone hear it?

And if they did, I am sure the left would say it is all Bush's fault.

[RockinRight]

Hasn't been warmer here. Its been a fairly cool summer so far...

[Cobra64]

"Yes. It's all part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. It's all George W. Bush's fault. IMPEACH BUSH NOW!" Said the junior Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton in a stop in Buffalo, NY today. Mrs. Clinton, William Jefferson Clinton, Ted Kennedy and John F. Kerry will be keynote speakers in Boston at the Democratic convention bashing our Commander In Chief, and President of the United States.

[Cobra64]

Makes more sense than cow farts heating the planet to me.

El Wrongo my friend. Rosie O, and Rosanne Barr; along with Michael Moore can light up the northern skies better than an asteroid flaming into the atmosphere at 20,000 mph and creating a 50 mile wide crator in the Nevada desert. The folks at NORAD told me so.

[dc-zoo]

Just pop another Corona and forgetaboutit.

[Cobra64]

Sounds like more dirty tricks by Bush, Cheney and Halliburton.... Halliburton is working giant sun glasses for the earth....

I'm 'warmed' and heartened that I'm not the only sarcastic, SOB on this thread. Sarcasm is the methodology that Karen and I use in disarming the libs we've known. At the end of the evening, they're usually converted, or never want to come back to our home for more freeloading steak and corn-on-the-cob. At my age, if they don't love the Republic, then STFU, and furthermore, 'Cheney'-you. (I loved what the Veep told Patrick Leahy last week.)

[RightWhale]

Many stars are variable. Some more, some less. Our sun does vary, there is no question of that.

[oldbill]

Kerry/Edwards Blame Bush for Hotter Sun

John Kerry today accused George Bush for the rise in solar temperatures increasing global warming.
"I have been told by foreign leaders over secret New York lunches that the Bush Administration, using secret contracts in Iraq with corrupt Halliburton executives, has been sending excess Iraqi oil to the sun onboard NASA rockets." Kerry claims that Bush did this to create a phony oil shortage and raise the prices to enrich American oil companies who contribute to the Bush campaign.

Kerry further claims that the incompetent Bush people did not know that the oil would ignite when it arrived at the sun. "These dunces did not know that the sun can be even hotter than black vinyl car seats" said scientist and DNC Chairman Terry McAullife.

Running mate John Edwards said that he is forming a lawyers' PAC, "COOL" (Completely Opportunistic Obnoxious Lawyers), to sue the Bush Administration. Edwards said any awards from the lawsuits will be given to several 527 charities, minus his contingent fee. Edwards said "Don't think that I am going to take a fat salary out of these fees. I will take most of the returns as dividends so that I can legally avoid Medicare taxes.".

[Dimez Apart]

he he, good stuff :)

[Redcloak]

Bush's fault

What did he know and when did he know it?

[GSlob]

Nah, the clintons'. Even sounds like them.

[searchandrecovery]

Allright, we've got, what, 4 billion people on this planet (many underemployed as it is). All we need to do is issue everyone a round mirror, and require that they spend 1 hour a day reflecting the sun's rays back out into space. Thus, saving the world as we know it. As an added bonus, this will build global teamwork, and unite people from all over by solving a common problem.

Also, this might be a good time to purchase stock in companies that produce sun-tan lotion.

[skinkinthegrass]

Hmm..Time to buy some more sun-blocking/tanning lotion...Concrete, SPF451 should do it. :))

[skinkinthegrass]

Kerry/Edwards Blame Bush for Hotter Sun..so that I can legally avoid Medicare taxes.".

I think you covered ALL the bases.. :))

[gentlestrength]

"The ONLY thing constant is change."

Actually, the things we view or measure or can infer as change are built into our created system, which includes time. God is outside of time and space and His creation in the sense that HE is the only one who is constant- "I the Lord change not"! (Mal.3:6)

[quantim]

The sun is on the "main sequence" of hydrogen fusion and is not considered 'variable.' Although there are variations in surface (atmospheric) temperatures as a result of many different Sun phenomena, the rate of internal fusion has not changed - at least to the point of measurement in a minuscule 25 year time period. This is "Chicken Little" 'barf science alert.' By the same logic the last ice age was a result of a REALLY cool sun lasting for hundreds of years! Any measurable climatic change is more likely a result of this:

This is also from the article;  And tell me if this is not one of dumbest sentences you have ever read!   John Kerry claiming 'he was for the war before he was against it' is abundantly clear compared to this person's attempt to link global warming to an event sequence on the Sun.

'He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes, but believes that the impact of intense sunshine on the ozone layer and cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself.'

[Larry Lucido]

So how do you take the sun's temperature, and where do you stick the thermometer?

[mamalujo]

exactly!!

when was the last time the sun had its temp taken? Here in central Texas we are experiencing a very mild summer only in the mid 90's.

[boris]

"We all know the warming is because the USA does not support the Kyoto Treaty."

Correction:

We all know the warming is because the Sun does not support the Kyoto Treaty.

[boris]

"The sun is on the "main sequence" of hydrogen fusion and is not considered 'variable.'"

The Sun is known to be a mild variable star. In fact, probably all stars are 'variable'. You cannot have a dynamic system like a star without some variability.

It is known that the 'Solar Constant' isn't constant; it varies from year to year AND has been increasing slowly since we began measuring it.

No, Sol is not a Cepheid, but it is variable.

--Boris

[quantim]

Indeed - the devil is in the details. A good analogy might be saying you can measure the east coastline. But the closer you look (zoom in to the molecular level) you find that the coastline is actually "infinite" as it is dynamic also. Therefore we we'll never know how long the east coastline actually is.

My objections are not whether there are numerous technical (there are and measurable) variances in the Sun's temp, fusion ratios, sunspots, electromagnetism, solar flares and a thousand other factors, but how 'alarmists' toss out generalities pretending that they have collected enough data to actually make such predictions. See last sentence in #35!

[RightWhale]

the rate of internal fusion has not changed

How can you say that?

[quantim]

the rate of internal fusion has not changed

How can you say that?

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The nature of your question is splitting hairs.  In the context of a cosmological and astronomical time frame 20 years is not significant.  At least when when claimants are declaring global climate changes, IMO.  When one wants to discuss nuclear fusion in the evolution of stars and its effects on planets over ten billion years is an entirely different matter.  Be assured that  the Mt. St. Helens eruption did more to affect an atmospheric change in 6 hours than the nonsensical statement:

"He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes, but believes that the impact of intense sunshine on the ozone layer and cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself."

Duh.  So we can conclude from the article that 'sunlight could affect the climate less because of sunlight in an ozone layer and clouds were the sunlight hits.'  It is a poorly written article.

[KevinDavis]

Nope, SPF5000 should do it....

[RightWhale]

We know the sun has sunspot cycles. 11 years or 22 years depending how you look at it. This is cyclical variability. While the sun is no doubt evolving like any star, there would be no reason to assume it would evolve perfectly smoothly with no burps, but the evolution would have to be smooth within some limits or we wouldn't be here now.

[quantim]

You're right - but now tie your statement into a climatic change like the minions in this article purport.

[RightWhale]

That would be irresponsible, wouldn't it, lacking supporting data or even data suggesting that.

[quantim]

That is the point.

[RightWhale]

We all know that. My point is that we shouldn't even be thinking of terraforming other planets such as Zubrin's Mars while we can't do any more than go along for the ride on earth.

[AFPhys]

"It shows that there is enough happening on
the solar front to merit further research.
Perhaps we are devoting too many resources
to correcting human effects on the climate
without being sure that we are the major
contributor," he said.

Mr. Solanki said that the brighter sun and
higher levels of so-called "greenhouse gases"
both contributed to the change in the Earth's
temperature, but it was impossible to say
which had the greater impact.

Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases
such as carbon dioxide from fossil fuels have
contributed to the warming of the planet in the
past few decades, but have questioned
whether other factors beyond man's control
are also to blame.

To determine the sun's role in global
warming, Mr. Solanki's research team
measured magnetic zones on the sun's surface
known as sunspots, which are believed to
intensify the sun's energy output.

The team studied sunspot data going back
several hundred years. They found that a
dearth of sunspots signaled a cold period —
which could last up to 50 years — but that
over the past century their numbers had
increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily
warmer.

Mr. Solanki does not know what is causing
the sun to burn brighter now or how long this
cycle would last.
He says that the increased solar brightness
over the past 20 years has not been enough to
cause the observed climate changes, but
believes that the impact of intense sunshine on
the ozone layer and cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than
the sunlight itself.

David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East
Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did
have an effect on global warm ing.
He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20
years, the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the
Earth's temperature had continued to increase.

This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the
burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate "the
natural factors involved in climate change," he said.

[SunkenCiv]

The Hydrogen Hoax
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