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'Scientific American' Shines Spotlight On SC Dig (Topper Site - TV Tonight)
The State.com ^ | 7-20-2004 | Doug Nye

Posted on 07/20/2004 3:03:17 PM PDT by blam

‘Scientific American’ shines spotlight on S.C. dig

By DOUG NYE
Television Editor

Posted on Tue, Jul. 20, 2004

About 12,000 years ago, the first people to journey to the American continents did so by crossing the Bering land bridge from Asia. At least, that’s what archaeologists have long believed. But tonight’s edition of “Scientific American Frontiers” examines five archaeological sites that could prove that humans walked this land much earlier.

Among the digs spotlighted is USC’s Topper excavation site in Allendale County, supervised by archaeologist Albert C. Goodyear, director of the Allendale Paleo-Indian Expedition of the S.C. Institute of Archaeology and Anthropology.

Goodyear thinks the findings there could prove that people set foot in America as many as 25,000 years ago.

“If, in fact, these newly discovered sites date back to 25,000 years — which they could — we won’t stop hearing about it for another 10 years,” Goodyear said. “This has put us with both feet into the issue of how and when our species radiated out from the Old World. The very idea that humans could have gotten here before the Paleo-Indians 12,000 years ago is like saying we’ve found life in outer space. It’s so contrary to the last 75 years of research.”

Tonight’s program also shows the impact this new theory has had on the archaeological world and the heated debate that has ensued. 9 p.m., PBS, WRLK-35, cable ch. 11, digital ch.801


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: american; archaeology; dig; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; goodyear; sc; scientific; shines; spotlight; topper
Does anyone know what channel PBS is on a Directv system?
1 posted on 07/20/2004 3:03:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Rats!!! That's going to be on at the same time Ann Coulter is on Hannity & Colmes.

By the way, I know where this site is, and I know who discovered it. (I did some soil survey work in that part of the world.)


2 posted on 07/20/2004 3:09:22 PM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Coyoteman
GGG Ping

Another very interesting site

Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year Old Site In Florida - Windover)

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

3 posted on 07/20/2004 3:09:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Iberia, Not Siberia
4 posted on 07/20/2004 3:12:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: Renfield
"By the way, I know where this site is, and I know who discovered it. (I did some soil survey work in that part of the world.)"

Excellent. Who discovered it?

5 posted on 07/20/2004 3:14:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Cool! Thanks for the warning. On my DirecTV lineup, they keep the local channel designation(13 in DFW); not sure how it's handled elsewhere.

I've been following the latest thinking on the first Americans(being a GGG pingee and all) for some time-- hope they have some new stuff. Does this warrant a live thread? :)
6 posted on 07/20/2004 3:18:30 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: blam

Grrr, my local PBS is showing this at 11:00 PM.

Will have to set the VCR.


7 posted on 07/20/2004 3:28:34 PM PDT by Betis70
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To: Dysart
Does this warrant a live thread?

They have been dead for 25,000 years and you have the insensitivity to ask about live threads?

8 posted on 07/20/2004 3:29:48 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death (/i)
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To: Dysart
"Does this warrant a live thread? :)"

I don't understand, Isn't this a live thread?

9 posted on 07/20/2004 3:39:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: Blue Screen of Death
They have been dead for 25,000 years and you have the insensitivity to ask about live threads?

Well, I am behind schedule on my sensitivity training this year.
10 posted on 07/20/2004 3:41:29 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: blam

Only if you're logged on.


11 posted on 07/20/2004 3:52:20 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: blam

A semi-retired soil scientist by the name of Jack Brown, of Statesboro, Georgia, who was working on contract for us on the Allendale County soil survey back then. If we ever meet (and we ought to, because I have lots of stories to tell) I'll tell you some about Jack, who was one of the wittiest, gentlest, and most interesting people I ever met.

Jack was a man of the Old South, and grew up on a plantation that was like something out of Gone With the Wind. He had an easy manner and sense of grace that few modern people had; possessed an encyclopedic knowledge of wildflowers and other native plants; and was, perhaps, the funniest person I ever met.


12 posted on 07/20/2004 3:55:13 PM PDT by Renfield (Philosophy chair at the University of Wallamalloo!!)
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To: Dysart
" On my DirecTV lineup, they keep the local channel designation(13 in DFW); not sure how it's handled elsewhere."

I found a PBS on Directv channel #384 but, it does not show this program at 8:00 or 9:00pm our time. Are you saying that I should find it on a local channel?

13 posted on 07/20/2004 4:11:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
“This has put us with both feet into the issue of how and when our species radiated out from the Old World.

Hmmm, I may be more native than I thought. Do I get to build a casino now?

14 posted on 07/20/2004 4:16:24 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: blam
"I found a PBS on Directv channel #384 but, it does not show this program at 8:00 or 9:00pm our time. Are you saying that I should find it on a local channel?"

Yes. There is a PBS channel 384, but I think if you live in a metro area,(as I do) it's not available to you. So you must find it on your broadcast system. Now if you live in a rural area, you should be able to receive 384. However, just checked the live guide and 384 is not showing it as you stated...The reason i get PBS on 13 is because I receive local stations on DrecTV, but they keep the same lineup here for locals. Just pick it up on your broadcast station if you can.
15 posted on 07/20/2004 4:23:16 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart
"Just pick it up on your broadcast station if you can."

Thanks. It doesn't look like I'll be watching this show. If there's anything new, please communicate on this thread, thanks.

16 posted on 07/20/2004 4:41:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Oh no! Sorry bout that. I'll record it and summarize as needed. Maybe that "simulthread" isn't such a bad idea after all.
17 posted on 07/20/2004 5:00:19 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart

Okay. How was the program?


18 posted on 07/20/2004 6:55:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Glad you asked. I don't know that there was anything presented that you aren't already familiar with but to see it in video was illuminating. They actually showed Arlington Springs Woman's leg bone impacted in rock! Spent a great deal of time focusing on various stone tools, spear points,etc. The main thrust of the show dealt with the issue of Clovis people and whether they were the original inhabitants and where they came from. They spent time on The Topper site in SC, Monte Verde, Cactus Hill, VA, and the Nebraska find.

The Smithsonian director(Dennis?) proposed that Clovis people overlapped with the Solutrian people from Europe, and suggested that they were the ancestors of the Clovis. He believes that they took the Atlantic Ice Shelf route by boat to N America, based on the findings at Cactus Hill, VA which showed very similar arrow points.(This site is dated about 18K years ago.) The arrow points found evidence common traits of both the Clovis and Solutrian people. They also documented common cultural traits. That is the Smithsonian guy's theory but they offered the Beringia Corridor travel route, Pacific Coastal route, along with the Atlantic Ice Shelf theory. Ultimately, they admitted that any of these is plausible, and indeed, maybe all of them!

It concluded with an insigthful notion: "think of the ocean as a highway rather than a barrier" when speculating about how the first Americans arrived here. I think for too long we have sold ancient people short with regard to their capabilites. That was it... wish it had been a miniseries, but what can you do?
19 posted on 07/20/2004 7:29:34 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: Dysart

Excellent, thanks. Maybe I'll catch it on another broadcast some day.


20 posted on 07/20/2004 7:39:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; FairOpinion; farmfriend; StayAt HomeMother; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; ...
thanks Blam!

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21 posted on 07/21/2004 5:57:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: blam
Conference to present evidence for Ice Age man in South Carolina
U of South Carolina
The Topper Site, named for forester David Topper who pointed it out years ago, has yielded artifacts that reveal the presence of human beings in the Western Hemisphere 16,000 or more years ago during the last Ice Age. The site is considered to be among the four most important sites in North America for early human being occupation studies.
sorry, I mean to address this shorter one to the list.

The intellectual level of the Clovis-First-and-Only was elegantly summarized by a proponent. Referring to a human artifact found in a Canadian dig, in a strata four thousand years too early, the future laureate said, "any dude could have put that there".
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
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22 posted on 07/21/2004 6:09:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Betis70; Blue Screen of Death; blam; Coyoteman; Dysart; Old Professer; Renfield
for those who like genetic studies...
Viruses May Offer New Line of Evidence
Mammoth Trumpet
Vol 11, no 3 (1996)
For example, one type of the virus exists in people living along the Pacific coast of the Americas, he told scientists attending a session on genetic research. Its presence suggests the possibility "that the original settlement of the Americas might have been along an area that is now flooded, and that American Indians moved into both continents simultaneously -- or even South America first." Black said that populations of eastern Siberia do not have the virus, "so they must have come in after the migration to the Americas." Further, he said, the variations of the virus suggest that the three-wave theory of aboriginal settlement of the Americas is not an adequate explanation... Robert Foley of the University of Cambridge said in a presentation delivered by a colleague that genetics can only tell us about past populations that left descendants. Genetics, he noted, reveal nothing about peoples that died out. Applied to the study of early populations of the Americas, for example, Foley's message implies that the range of variation in past populations could be quite different than the range of variation now observed among living Native American populations.

23 posted on 07/21/2004 6:20:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks for the ping!

I bookmarked this thread to my profile page.

24 posted on 07/21/2004 7:00:23 AM PDT by Pippin (Support EJ Pipkin for US Senate......GOP Maryland)
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To: blam
It’s so contrary to the last 75 years of research.

So, what's your take on this statement? Did the diggers ignore sites in the past that did not conform to their preconceived notions or what? Maybe I shouldn't be so put out with the bone diggers, but something just doesn't smell right.

FGS

25 posted on 07/21/2004 9:51:19 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: blam

Is that going to be on SC PBS?


26 posted on 07/21/2004 1:12:50 PM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: dixie sass
"Is that going to be on SC PBS?"

You missed it, it was on last night.

27 posted on 07/21/2004 4:22:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
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28 posted on 01/19/2006 10:45:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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Retracing the footprints of time
by Steve Sandford
September 9, 1996
web archive version
Direct radiocarbon dating of the Calgary site is not possible because the ancient artifacts were not found in conjunction with organic matter, such as bones or decayed plant matter, which is necessary for such testing. Absent such verification, Prof. Young dismisses the find. For one thing, he says, the artifacts are so simple they could merely be naturally-occurring rocks; he says that most informed scientists are doubtful they are tools. And even if they are tools, he adds that there is no way to be sure that they were originally situated where they were found under the gravel, since the site has served as an exposed gravel pit for the last 100 years. Comments Prof. Young: "Any dude could have put that rock there."

29 posted on 01/19/2006 10:52:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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this appears to be the oldest FR topic about Al Goodyear:

Site Sheds Light on Human Arrival
Source: AP via Yahoo
Published: May 26, 2001
Posted on 05/27/2001 06:25:12 PDT by sarcasm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b11003848e1.htm


30 posted on 08/11/2006 9:12:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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