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Presbyterian church defames Christianity
Townhall ^ | Jly 20, 2004 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 07/21/2004 12:08:16 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now

Presbyterian church defames Christianity

Dennis Prager (archive) TownHall July 20, 2004 | Print | Send

I have argued in this column that the greatest sin is committing evil in God's name. As bad as the evil committed by secularists, such as communists and Nazis, has ever been, the most grievous evil is that which is committed in the name of God. For not only do religious evils harm their victims, they also do lasting damage to God-based morality, which those of us who believe in God and religion consider the only viable antidote to evil.

That is why Islamic terror is so evil. Not only because it targets the most innocent of people for death and torture, but because it does so in the name of Allah and Islam.

Incredibly, The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) joins the list of religious groups committing evil. In the name of Jesus, it has called for the economic strangulation of Israel. They have equated the Jewish state with South Africa during apartheid and called for a universal divestment from it.

The Presbyterians are the first Christian church to do this, and, ironically, the divestment campaign came the very week that the Roman Catholic Church signed a document equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism.

It takes a particularly virulent strain of moral idiocy and meanness to single out Israel, not Arafat's Palestinian Authority, or terror-supporting, death-fatwa-issuing Iran, or women-subjugating Saudi Arabia, for condemnation and economic ruin. One of the most decent societies, one of the most liberal democracies in the world, is fighting for its life against Islamic fascists who praise the Holocaust and publicly call for the annihilation of Israel -- and the Presbyterian Church calls for strangling Israel!

Apartheid state? This Goebbels-like Big Lie, concocted by the world's anti-Israel and anti-American Left and by those who want Israel destroyed, is now an official doctrine of the Presbyterian Church. Israel is a nation whose population is one-quarter non-Jewish Arab, with the same rights, including voting and its own political parties, as Jewish citizens; a nation whose second official language is Arabic, the language of those who wish to annihilate the Jewish country; a nation that occupies a tiny sliver of land known as the West Bank only because Jordan, overwhelmingly composed of Palestinians, invaded Israel in 1967 in order to destroy it and thereby lost its ownership of the West Bank.

As an American who fights to preserve Judeo-Christian values as America's primary value system and preserve Christianity as the specific American faith that embodies those values, I can only say this: the God that the 431 leaders of the Presbyterian Church worship is not my God, any more than the Allah of the Islamic fascists that Israel and America fight is my God.

The Bible that these Presbyterians read is not my Bible.

The religious values that these Presbyterians hold are not my religious values.

This is not a difference about immigration policy, affirmative action, taxation, bigger or smaller government, welfare policies, gun control, or a myriad of other moral issues over which decent, God-fearing people can disagree.

This is one of the morality-clarifying issues of our time. To single out Israel for economic strangulation while that good nation fights for its life is an act of such immorality that holding that view precludes one from the title "good" or "God-fearing," for if they are true to God, I am false to Him. If they are good, I who support Israel am bad. If their Bible teaches them to strangle Israel and support Yasser Arafat, I am guided by a different Bible.

They have drawn a line. It is now time for good people, Presbyterians specifically, Christians generally, to distance themselves vigorously and publicly from this morally sick church. And it is time, once again, for Jews to realize that the enemies of the Jews in our day are to be found on the Christian Left while their friends are far more often on the Christian Right.

Many serious Christians ask, "What Would Jesus Do?" If Jesus were here, he would probably be at Israeli hospitals comforting fellow Jews who were deliberately blinded, paralyzed and brain-damaged by Jew- and Christian-hating Palestinian terrorists. He would surely not be with the Jews' enemies, among whom are now the leaders of the Presbyterian Church, USA.

©2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemites; antisemitism; antizionist; bigotry; christianity; christians; hypocrisy; israel; liberalpresbyterian; liberals; mockinggod; pc; pcusa; politicallycorrect; presbyterianchurch; presbyterians; prohomosexual; promuslim; propalestinianwar; religion; religiousintolerance

1 posted on 07/21/2004 12:08:17 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

we should shut down the Presbyterian 'Church'.


2 posted on 07/21/2004 12:13:47 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com........................www.bushcountryketchup.com)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Many serious Christians ask, "What Would Jesus Do?" If Jesus were here, he would probably be at Israeli hospitals comforting fellow Jews who were deliberately blinded, paralyzed and brain-damaged by Jew- and Christian-hating Palestinian terrorists.

Although I rarely disagree with Prager about anything, he's wrong in this case. If Jesus was here, he wouldn't be comforting anyone at hospitals. He'd be healing them.

3 posted on 07/21/2004 12:22:45 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
"...that the Roman Catholic Church signed a document equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism."

Wow. I missed that. Does anyone have a link?
4 posted on 07/21/2004 12:33:05 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons.)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Please let's be specific here!!! The PCUSA, the liberal, "mainline", denomination has elected to walk upon this path to hell. This is completely consistent with all of their other typical doctrines such as denying the truth of scripture and the teachings of the apostles.

There are a few other Presbyterian who reject all of this and split from the PCUSA over this type of folly. The PCA, (Presbyterian Church in America), the OPC (Orthodox Presbyterian Church), the EPC (Evangelical Presbyterian Chirch), and the CPC (Cumberland Presbyterian Church), to name four.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 12:44:21 AM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: familyop

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1168113/posts


Try here.


6 posted on 07/21/2004 12:51:12 AM PDT by clockwise
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To: familyop

"...that the Roman Catholic Church signed a document equating anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism."

Wow. I missed that. Does anyone have a link?

Here are some links:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/449338.html
https://www.icej.org/cgi-local/view.cgi?type=headline&artid=2004/07/09/11368957
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1168113/posts
http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=11650_Catholic_Church-_Anti-Zionism_=_Anti-Semitism


7 posted on 07/21/2004 12:53:27 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now (If I forget thee, O Jerusalem....)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now; clockwise

Thanks!


8 posted on 07/21/2004 1:01:54 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons.)
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To: Bogolyubski

Do you expect these branches of Presbyterianism who oppose the PCUSA's stand on this will speak out againt the PCUSA ruling?


9 posted on 07/21/2004 1:04:54 AM PDT by Seeing More Clearly Now (If I forget thee, O Jerusalem....)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now; clockwise

...added my two cents, also. Some Muslims and part of the Koran (see behind the link) are less anti-Jewish than the Presbyterians mentioned in the column.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1168113/posts?page=176#176


10 posted on 07/21/2004 2:47:56 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons.)
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To: seams2me

FYI ping


11 posted on 07/21/2004 3:41:44 AM PDT by Mrs. P
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

Prager is correct. The PCUSA worships a false god.


12 posted on 07/21/2004 3:45:51 AM PDT by Imagine
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
Jesus wept over Jerusalem
13 posted on 07/21/2004 4:05:31 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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Too bad Prager uses such great passion on this. PCUSA not backing the politics of Israel is one thing. Not backing the God of Israel would be different.

It is because the PCUSA no longer believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures that they are 'liberal' and unbiblical in areas. It's an inevitable consequence that groups lose doctrinal and moral clarity. But their decision might not be based on Biblical reasons. Prager is responding as if their group's political opinion is equivalent with their doctrinal positions, and that they are Christians gone bad for not supporting Israel. They are Christians gone bad for their refusal to believe the core teaching of the Church for 2000 years, that the books we have are inspired. This has nothing to do with their political views necessarily, unless all Christians hold that it is imperative to support Israel in all its actions.

Christians are't only to love Jews, but all people. But loving does not always mean accepting their sin or their political policies.

Christians are 'grafted in' to Judaism through Jesus the Messiah, and worship the same God. But Prager does not believe in the eyewitness evidence that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, recorded in the New Testament. So his thinking is limited, less than as deep and true as it could be. His zeal for truth is not zealous enough to want Truth when He appeared, God the Son Incarnate. His passion for morality is not moral enough to repent and accept the forgiveness God offers him through the Messiah's suffering for him.


14 posted on 07/21/2004 5:26:36 AM PDT by gentlestrength (He appeared and the soul felt its worth)
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
#9...You bet they do.....!!

..and will continue to speak out!!!!!

15 posted on 07/21/2004 6:05:45 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
I wish you could have expressed this better & more specifically!!!

Presbyterian Church USA defames Christianity!!!!

The PCA Presbyterian Church left this USA travesty 30 years ago!!!!!

16 posted on 07/21/2004 6:09:50 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

I urge all Presby freepers to email their threats (financial, of course)

http://www.pcusa.org/form2mail/form2mail.jsp?f2name=Clifton+Kirkpatrick&subject=email+directory


17 posted on 07/21/2004 6:13:36 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
It's true. I attend a seminary dominated by Reformed (Presbyterian) theologians. All they do is bash the Bush administration, glorify Homosexuality, pi** on Israel, and pedal a watered-down and emasculated social gospel.

A bunch of heathens and losers if you ask me.

Why do I still attend the seminary? To get my degree to teach. I haven't learned a single spec of useful theology from anyone this side of 1962.
18 posted on 07/21/2004 6:15:50 AM PDT by Neever
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now
It is a shame and a disgrace that the Presbyterian Church has abandoned its Calvinist traditions and chosen to become just another politically correct mainline Protestant Church.
19 posted on 07/21/2004 6:16:37 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

The PCUSA were proud co-sponsors of the so-called March for Womens Lives (culture of death).

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/6/182004a.asp

By participating in that march, the PCUSA church has aligned themselves with other diabolical organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union, Black Women's Health Imperative, Feminist Majority, NARAL Pro-Choice America, National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health, National Organization for Women, Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

In addition to abortion, they have also embraced homosexuality, feminism, the redefinition of marriage, gun prohibition, co-habitation and divorce.

I did some pro-bono work for them and can tell you firsthand that the Holy Spirit has forsaken them, as they have forsaken the Lord thy God.


20 posted on 07/21/2004 6:39:35 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: gentlestrength

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21 posted on 07/21/2004 6:51:59 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle (AMERICA, LAND OF THE FREE **BECAUSE** OF THE BRAVE.)
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To: Search4Truth
(AgapePress) - Whether or not the average member in the pew knows it, many leaders within some of the nation's oldest Protestant denominations are steering their churches into schism.

This is probably the saddest sentence in the article. Evil thrives because good people know nothing. Or if they know it, they pretend it isn't happening. Or if it is happening, it is because of the right-wing Republicans.

Truth is painful; Ignorance absolves people from making a decision.

22 posted on 07/21/2004 7:22:10 AM PDT by swampfox98 (We are at war! We have been at war since 9/11. How smart do you have to be to understand this?)
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To: Neever; rwfromkansas

If you attend a "Reformed" Presbyterian seminary that bashes Bush you ARE NOT attending Geneva College. The only Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America seminary in the US.

It sounds like you are in a PCUSA seminary. I'd suggest getting out.

Semper Fi


23 posted on 07/21/2004 10:02:53 AM PDT by dd5339 (Proudly annoying liberals since 1965!)
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To: Bogolyubski

Please add to your list of conservative presbyterian faiths the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America.

Semper Fi and a RPCNA/PCA member


24 posted on 07/21/2004 10:04:31 AM PDT by dd5339 (Proudly annoying liberals since 1965!)
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To: Neever

You are at a PCUSA seminary.

They hardly can be called Reformed just because they claim to be.


25 posted on 07/21/2004 10:05:46 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: dd5339

Thanks! You're absolutely right, of course! I think there are others as well.


26 posted on 07/21/2004 5:08:50 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Seeing More Clearly Now

I think so. It will probably take a few months. All I know for sure is that a large number of good friends who are PCA are quite upset about this latest outrage from the hijacked church.


27 posted on 07/21/2004 5:12:18 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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Of course, even if you find a conservative branch, then you still have to re-learn your way out of Calvinism down the road when you find it doesn't jive with Scripture at key points. Instead, keep the great Reformation history, but study Luther's rediscoveries instead of Calvin! ;-)


28 posted on 07/23/2004 2:05:13 AM PDT by gentlestrength
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