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Posted on 07/22/2004 2:10:39 AM PDT by Arnold Zephel
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republicans initially dismissed "Fahrenheit 9/11" as a cinematic screed that would play mostly to inveterate Bush bashers. Four weeks and $94 million later, the film is still pulling in moviegoers at 2,000 theaters around the country, making Republicans nervous as it settles into the American mainstream.
"I'm not sure if it moves voters," GOP consultant Scott Reed said, "but if it moves 3 or 4 percent it's been a success."
Two senior Republicans closely tied to the White House said the movie from director Michael Moore is seen as a political headache because it has reached beyond the Democratic base. Independents and GOP-leaning voters are likely to be found sitting beside those set to revel in its depiction of a clueless president with questionable ties to the oil industry.
"If you are a naive, uncommitted voter and wander into a theater, you aren't going to come away with a good impression of the president," Republican operative Joe Gaylord said. "It's a problem only if a lot of people see it."
Based on a record-breaking gross of $94 million through last weekend, theaters already have sold an estimated 12 million tickets to "Fahrenheit 9/11." A Gallup survey conducted July 8-11 said 8 percent of American adults had seen the film at that time, but that 18 percent still planned to see it at a theater and another 30 percent plan to see it on video.
(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...
Welcome to Free Republic.
Troll alert. Signed up this morning.
At the end of this article, it says the film will go on sale before election day. How soon can conservatives make their own DVD debunking F911? We could distribute it a week before Moore launches (to steal a bit of his thunder)... I think it would be an interesting counter-tactic to the propaganda genre.
Oh yeah, we're nervous that anyone would believe that tripe.
We thought we left the dumb one in the various countries we came from.
That's funny.
I feel perfectly fine.
BTW, did you know that Moore's last "documentary" Bowling For Columbine can be found in the Circuit City "bargain bin" for $5.99 now?
[not that I'm implying any "value judgements", mind you"....:)
You registered today just to post this?
Isn't that special?
So if you put Kerry in a box and bombarded him with radiation
he wouldn't be alive or dead until you opened the box and looked,
he would exist merely as a field of possibilities?
I'm rusty, school was a long time ago.
I assure you I am not a troll. I just found the article and the fact that this fat a!@ bastard has pulled in a 90 Million disturbing to say the least. I hope the article is just propaganda, but an awful lot of young impressionable people are seeing, and being influenced by this steaming pile of excrement. I am hoping for the best.
Later,
Arnold Zephel
Probing of the Mods during the early morning hours.
The kitties are usually quite angry when awakened for trolls.
tick, tick, tick
Welcome to FR - if you were a troll you wouldn't have replied to any of us. (At least trolls seldom hang out on the threads they post.) Please excuse the lack of acceptance initially - it's just that this political season has seen the number of disruptors increase dramatically.
Everybody has to sign up sometime!
The fact that you reply on the thread speaks well to the "non-troll" factor.
Thin-skinned morons.
Troll-Lite Alert.
There's been a pattern of this in the past 3 days. New posters throwing out a bone of liberal tripe then qualify their conservatism by stating something like: "hey, i'm a conservative, I hate the liberals".
In this case: " fat a!@ bastard has pulled in a 90 Million disturbing to say the least. I hope the article is just propaganda, but an awful lot of young impressionable people are seeing, and being influenced by this steaming pile of excrement."
Its a new tactic for them to get the articles they want posted on the board without being zotted.
Sort of.
His positions on the issues currently exist as "merely as a field of possibilities".....;)
It's more of a political "is he/isn't he/flip flop" joke that apparently flops all on its own...:)
So what?!? It's a real AP article. He didn't make this thing up.
Do you only want to see happy news? Is that your deal? Me, I'd like to know what the AP is putting out there, even if it makes me cranky. If my fellow conservatives won't tell me, I'll gladly take the news from someone else.
The only reason this movie will be significant is that the American people are too stupid and uninformed to realize that it is 90% fiction. And probably 5% of the voters in November will be influenced by it. That number of votes can make a difference.
Sickening.
How did you find Free Republic? What led you to post that particular article first without commenting on any other article?
You are expecting us to believe you came across the article and then stumbled across FR and decided to post it? Or did you find FR and then stumble across the article yet weren't moved to remark on any of the other threads here.
Do you ever stand in a checkout line and ponder that there's a 50-50 chance that the person next to you is a brainwashed liberal zombie?
I do.
It gives me the willies....:))
Welcome...
In the checkout line, walking down the street, in restaurants, in the building where I work, at family gatherings, in the grocery store, at sporting events, ... yeah, you're right. They're everywhere.
The best way to handle F911 is to make an accurate list of the charges leveled in the movie. Place them in Column A. In Column B, place the accurate information.
This should be reduced to reference sheet size and passed around the internet.
I have not paid yet to see this movie. I hate to enrich this guy.
It's one movie I be glad to use a pirate on, so long as I was sure none of my cash ever reached Moore.
In reference to MM's so-called documentary or the posts accusing you of being a troll?
CrAP press release. The movie is losing steam and even dropping movie screens these days.
"I'm sooooo scared."
.....;))
I Robot made $64million in 5 days! Bill Gates and other technical industry leaders should be shaking in their boots. We are onto the Robot Conspiracy!
Here is the daily breakdown for F911:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=fahrenheit911.htm
The latter would be libel. ;)
"Troll-Lite Alert.
There's been a pattern of this in the past 3 days. New posters throwing out a bone of liberal tripe then qualify their conservatism by stating something like: "hey, i'm a conservative, I hate the liberals"."
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My instincts are suggesting the same thing. I also find it interesting that one would use the name of the little "TV watching pig" on Green Acres as their handle. "Arnold Ziffel"........
Both! Just kidding... However I do take offense at being called a troll. I feel like Condolezza Rice at the 911 Commission. When did you find the article? How did you find this board? What did you know and when did you know it? I will say this one more time. I found the article disturbing and thought it would be of interest to people on this board. I should have posted a comment, my fault. OK
Trolling takes a new tactic, but you don't care.
If it will make you happy why don't you repost the article under the proper FR protocol of an established poster?
I'm not for giving newbies an once of consideration this close to the election when their first article post is a slap at the White House. It smells of disruption and its bad form.
Here, kitty kitty!
Welcome to FR.
Especially since a large percentage of the trolls are riding in on F911.
Thanks!
Time will tell on this one.
Sadly, it's par for the course around here. Any bad news or something that shines poor light is immediately dismissed as troll material rather than something to review and counter if incorrect. Too often it's simply pile on the person rather than refute with facts.
Anyone who is swayed to vote against Bush based on a Michael Moore crockumentary deserves the kind of government they elect!
More people have access to the internet, and hopefully they will use it to research alternative views. The mainstream media and Hollywood will only help to elect Kerry.
http://www.moorelies.com
http://www.mooreexposed.com
http://www.moorewatch.com
Unfortunatly I was at the gym and a teenager that was training asked me if I saw the film. She said that "anybody that likes Bush or is in favor of the war needs to see this movie". Now she is a sophomore in high school and I actually had to spend about 5-10 minutes explaining the bulls#@t that was in the film and even after I told her to look up the stuff that points out the Moore distortions on the net, she still looked at me with a bit of a "yeah... ok"..
The point is that she was making an effort to go see a "documentary" and she thought she had some insight into the "real" facts about Iraq and Bush. She was actually trying to discuss politics and her views were slanted by the film. I thought about it and it now shows me that the film was made for young people and the audience that is at the margins. The people that are intellectually lazy or unsophisticated but interested in informing themselves. I've been told that "Hey, it can't be false if it's in a documentary." as if there was a law to prevent it. sad.....
The 5-10% that are interested but are looking for a source of "inside info" are going to be led astray. It really p$ssed me off and I was thinking about how to change the girl's mind. The good news is that I did manage to get her to understand that as a Christian (she is proud to say she's one) she is hated and despised by the religion of peace and is lower than a dog in the eyes of the men who practice that religion. She also understands that 3000 Americans died and Bush didn't fly the planes into the building.
Freepers should make an effort to discuss the points in the film that are pure bunk and direct teenagers and even adults that are honestly convinced of Bush's "guilt" to web sites or areas on the Free Republic that list the lies and distortions. If you can manage to not be angry when you explain, it helps. I asked her yesterday if she had looked some of the stuff up and she said that she just can't believe that some of the stuff about flying Bin Ladens family and the pipeline in Afghanistan are lies.... neat, she is trying. If any of you have a post or site that goes point by point let me know.
Unfortunatly I was at the gym and a teenager that was training asked me if I saw the film. She said that "anybody that likes Bush or is in favor of the war needs to see this movie". Now she is a sophomore in high school and I actually had to spend about 5-10 minutes explaining the bulls#@t that was in the film and even after I told her to look up the stuff that points out the Moore distortions on the net, she still looked at me with a bit of a "yeah... ok"..
The point is that she was making an effort to go see a "documentary" and she thought she had some insight into the "real" facts about Iraq and Bush. She was actually trying to discuss politics and her views were slanted by the film. I thought about it and it now shows me that the film was made for young people and the audience that is at the margins. The people that are intellectually lazy or unsophisticated but interested in informing themselves. I've been told that "Hey, it can't be false if it's in a documentary." as if there was a law to prevent it. sad.....
The 5-10% that are interested but are looking for a source of "inside info" are going to be led astray. It really p$ssed me off and I was thinking about how to change the girl's mind. The good news is that I did manage to get her to understand that as a Christian (she is proud to say she's one) she is hated and despised by the religion of peace and is lower than a dog in the eyes of the men who practice that religion. She also understands that 3000 Americans died and Bush didn't fly the planes into the building.
Freepers should make an effort to discuss the points in the film that are pure bunk and direct teenagers and even adults that are honestly convinced of Bush's "guilt" to web sites or areas on the Free Republic that list the lies and distortions. If you can manage to not be angry when you explain, it helps. I asked her yesterday if she had looked some of the stuff up and she said that she just can't believe that some of the stuff about flying Bin Ladens family and the pipeline in Afghanistan are lies.... neat, she is trying. If any of you have a post or site that goes point by point let me know.
Of course I don't care! Why should I? Until and unless he does something troll-y, like post a screed, what difference does it make? If he's posting legitimate articles from mainstream sources without rude commentary, what's the difference between a troll and a member in good standing?
If it will make you happy why don't you repost the article under the proper FR protocol of an established poster?
How would that change the nature of the article? Do you not see how nuts this is?
Gotta agree with you here. I feel like I've been asleep for a while because suddenly there's this zot kitty ozone lightning blast out of the water crap going on here. Some of it is very amusing when an obvious troll tries to stir things up. But on the other hand, I think that a few new posters have been unfairly attacked.
I've had this screen name since 98 even though my registered date is 2000 (moved and lost password in 99) and I must say that I'm not always pleased with what I see. Sometimes I LMAO, though.
What's there, 250 million American adults (guesstimate)? And there were probably 10 million tickets sold at the time of this survey? 8% would equal 20 million people, not 10 million. And this doesn't factor people going to see the film more than once. This just goes to show how useless polls are.
Hi tro;;, well sadly for you, this film will go the way of the rest of hollyweird trash. It will become the fair of the midnight cinema. Rocky Horror picture show, Mommy Dearest. Pretty soon the audiences will be speaking the words along with the movie. Dressing in costume etce etc. Just because a movie hangs around doesn't make it a great work.
Call me a dumbass. Been here since 97, registered date 99. I don't even know my own numbers. I must be a troll.
You are correct. Hollyweird is trash.
better way is to divide the revinue by avg ticket price. 94,000,000 divided by say 7.00.Comes out to a little over 13 mill.
I had a similar experience with a neighbor kid. I would comment further, but I feel any comment I make would be construed to mean something other that what I intended. It seems that I am labeled.
Bullcrap! Don't give up that damn easily. If you're for real stand up and fight. Trolls slink away.
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