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Terrorists attempt fresh wave of US hijackings ("MUST READ" describes recent attempts)
Scotsman ^ | July 23, 2004 | JAMES HALL

Posted on 07/22/2004 10:47:47 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Key points • Terrorists thought to have targeted at least two US flights in dry-run attacks • 9/11 Commission warns attack worse than Twin Towers 'probable' • Cameras caught 9/11 terrorists setting off security alarms prior to hijacking

Key quote "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time" - Tom Kean, chairman 9/11 commission

Story in full DEVASTATING new evidence has emerged that terrorists are preparing another attack on the United States, with air marshals and flight crews reporting a series of dry runs for attacks on aircraft in mid-air.

At least two flights are thought to have been targeted so far by groups of Middle Eastern men who appear to be forming a plan of attack.

On one flight an air marshal reportedly broke into an onboard toilet to find that a mirror had been removed and that a Middle Eastern man was trying to break through a wall to the cockpit.

One air marshal told the Washington Times newspaper yesterday: "No doubt these are dry runs for a terrorist attack."

The revelation came on the day a major US report into the 11 September attacks warned that another attack was likely.

The commission recommended an overhaul of the country’s intelligence services to prevent al-Qaeda launching more deadly plots against America.

Warning that an attack "of even greater magnitude" than the one that killed almost 3,000 people in 2001 was "probable", the commission accused the Clinton and Bush administrations of failing to have sufficient imagination to have envisaged al-Qaeda’s lethal plot.

Tom Kean, the chairman of the commission, said: "Every expert with whom we spoke told us an attack of even greater magnitude is now possible and even probable. We do not have the luxury of time.

"We must prepare and we must act. The al-Qaeda network and its affiliates are sophisticated, patient, disciplined and lethal."

Airline staff and passengers have catalogued repeated incidents that suggest new attacks are in preparation.

"It’s happening and it’s a sad state of affairs," one pilot said.

On one flight last month, 14 Syrian men on a flight between Detroit and Los Angeles boarded the flight, sitting apart. They pretended to be strangers, according to those on board, but once airborne they started filing in and out of the plane’s toilets. When the plane was about to land, the men shot up to different toilets, arousing the suspicions of air crew, passengers and air marshals.

However, air marshals who monitored the incident said there was no "legal basis on which to take enforcement action".

In another incident, the Washington Times revealed, a flight attendant reported a passenger using a long lens to take photographs of the cockpit door.

Earlier this year, it was revealed that Islamic militants had found a new way to circumvent security systems at airports. Instead of trying to take bombs onto aircraft, they would place the components on board, which they can then assemble in mid-flight.

Security sources told newspapers that the tactic had already been tried out, again in dry-run form, on flights between the Middle East, North Africa and western Europe.

As early as November, the FBI was warning that "terrorists are considering the use of improvised explosive devices assembled on board to hijack an aircraft".

Security agencies around the globe are now trying to track down the militants that have been trained to carry out such attacks.

The activities are a terrifying echo of the meticulous planning of the hijackers involved in the 11 September plot, which was comprehensively detailed in yesterday’s report by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

The 567-page final report issued by the ten-member commission pointed to "deep institutional failings" and missed opportunities to thwart the hijackings carried out by al-Qaeda operatives.

"Terrorism was not the overriding national-security concern for the US government under either the Clinton or the pre-9/11 Bush administrations," the report said.

It said that on at least nine occasions, chances were missed that might have led to the uncovering of the plot.

Overnight, US television networks broadcast a newly released surveillance video from Washington’s Dulles International Airport on the morning of the attacks that investigators view as one of the missed opportunities.

The video shows five hijackers passing through security checkpoints. Four of them repeatedly set off alarms but were quickly cleared to board the flight that later crashed into the Pentagon. It was not clear what set the alarms off.

The commission was sweeping in its recommendations for change.

It proposed the appointment of a national intelligence director and the creation of a national counter-terrorism centre to better co-ordinate and share information about future terrorist threats.

"The national intelligence director should oversee national intelligence centres to provide all-source analysis and plan intelligence operations for the whole government on major problems," the report said.

The commission also said the US government must do more domestically to guard against future terrorist attacks, including measures such as setting national standards for issuing drivers’ licences and other identification, improving "no-fly" and other terrorist-watch lists and using more biometric identifiers to screen travellers at ports and borders.

Other recommendations included declassifying intelligence spending, upgrading the computer technology used by US intelligence and reorganising congressional oversight.

Given new warnings about al-Qaeda’s desire to strike again on a mass scale, James Thompson, commission member, said all US leaders would be wise to take the commission’s findings to heart.

"If it happens and we haven’t moved, then the American people are entitled to make very fundamental judgments about that," he said.

The commission’s vice-chairman, Lee Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman, appealed for political unity at the heights of America’s power. A "shift in mindset and organisation" within the US intelligence apparatus and a smoother transition between presidencies were also necessary, he said, to ensure "that this nation does not lower its guard every four or eight years".

"The US government has access to vast amounts of information but it has a weak process, a weak system of processing and using that information," Mr Hamilton said. "Need to share must replace need to know."

However, it will be months if not years before such recommendations can be implemented. Yet many terrorism experts fear that al-Qaeda is planning a terrorist attack in the next four months, in the run-up to the November presidential elections.

"They [the 11 September hijackers] penetrated the defences of the most powerful nation in the world," Mr Kean said. "They inflicted unbearable trauma on our people, and at the same time they turned international order upsidedown."

Mr Kean said the US was "faced with one of the greatest security challenges in our long history".


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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To: John Valentine

If the FAA had taken "one person's opinion" -- James Wood's -- seriously, 9-11 could have been prevented.

You keep ignoring facts.

As I said, read my posts 14 & 22 and read the James Wood interview, for which I gave the link.


51 posted on 07/22/2004 11:50:00 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion

It's about time they started spreading the word. I hadn't heard about the guy trying to bust into the cockpit through the restroom wall before reading it here. There should be an official warning from Homeland Security about this.


52 posted on 07/22/2004 11:52:28 PM PDT by jaykay
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To: FairOpinion; doug from upland; All

My husband and I were in Vegas today and flew out of there this afternoon. On all of the monitors where you check for the arrivals and departures was a notice that said "Heightened Airport Security" (or something like that). There was a short blurb to be aware of your surroundings while in the airport and to pick up a white security phone to report any suspicious behavior. Two American Flags flying on the bottom of the screen.

There was NOT the same notice at JWA when we got here...

Just thought I'd let you all know. Gramps travels quite a bit and said he's never seen that thing up there before..


53 posted on 07/22/2004 11:53:02 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma
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To: FairOpinion

I'm fully aware of this content. And I don't dispute any fact as described. It may even be that these Syrian musicians were doing a "dry run" with excellent cover.

But there is no real evidence that this is the case.

The guys James Woods saw have been pretty well established as being among the 9/11 murderers.


54 posted on 07/22/2004 11:53:12 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for the infromation .
I wonder what they plan to attack ?
I am thinking the G.O.P. Conv in N.Y. ???
Just Guessing
55 posted on 07/22/2004 11:53:40 PM PDT by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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To: John Valentine
There is no need for sarcasm.

I know.

That would be followed with a "/s".

56 posted on 07/22/2004 11:56:17 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: John Valentine

The point is that Woods noticed their suspicious behavior when they were doing dry runs.

I guess you think we should wait until some of these suspicious characters do turn out to be terrorists?

I thought the point was to PREVENT attacks.

You don't KNOW that the currently discussed suspicious men are NOT terrorists. By the time you are sure, thousands are dead. Why is that so hard to comprehend?


57 posted on 07/22/2004 11:57:32 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion

I'm not ignoring any facts.

And your assertion that 9/11 could have been prevented if James Woods opinion had been taken seriously is profoundly flawed.

He never made the connection between these guys and the 9/11 hijackers until AFTER the harm had been done.

If he had told anyone about his experience immediately, what do you think could have happened as a result that would have prevented the events of 9/11? Keep in mind that this is James Woods, and that he didn't witness any crime or offense.


58 posted on 07/22/2004 11:58:21 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: EGPWS; John Valentine

Just because there is "no NEED" for sarcasm, doesn't mean that sarcasm isn't warranted. ;)


59 posted on 07/22/2004 11:59:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
On all of the monitors where you check for the arrivals and departures was a notice that said "Heightened Airport Security" (or something like that).

That is normal procedure when the "bar code" is raised.

Perhaps in this case it was just a discretionary option chosen by this airport's administrator.

60 posted on 07/23/2004 12:01:21 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: John Valentine

He DID report it, not only to the pilots, but also to the FBI immediately AFTER the flight.

That is why, if you knew all the facts, you would know that the FBI called James Woods after 9-11 (may have even been that same day) and they said: "We'd like to talk to you about your report."

Woods said "Ok, I'll get dressed and come right down."

FBI said "Don't bother, we're in your driveway."


61 posted on 07/23/2004 12:02:05 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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To: FairOpinion

It easy to comprehend your points.

It's just that they are not too cogent.

You can't start rounding people up because one person seems to think that they are behaving strangely. That's just not feasible.

Plus it is offensive.


62 posted on 07/23/2004 12:02:07 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
New York Times reporter Joe Sharkey confirmed some of the details of the story [Wednesday] but admitted he, too, was unable to identify the band.

This "debunking" by some college student is about the weakest thing I've ever seen. All he did was determine that one Arab singer played in California around the time of the scary airline flight. Period.

He did not determine that the singer *had* a backup band at all (his source only said "probably"), or that if he did it consisted of 13-14 people, who were actually Arab, who were not local, and who flew in for the gig.

Nor did he determine whether the singer in question had flown in on the particular flight, or any flight at all -- he may have been in the area previously doing part of some tour.

Etc., etc., etc.

One Arab singer in California hardly qualifies as a "debunking" or any sort of proof that this singer and his hypothetical background band is in any way connected to the people who raised fears on the flight in question, or that those people on the flight were actually musicians.

Sheesh.

63 posted on 07/23/2004 12:02:16 AM PDT by Ichneumon ("...she might as well have been a space alien." - Bill Clinton, on Hillary, "My Life", p. 182)
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To: John Valentine; Brad's Gramma

You not only are ignoring facts, but even are refusing the READ them, when you are directed to them.

READ O'Reilly's interview with Woods.

"WOODS: Well, first I have to back up and tell you about the flight that I took. The flight I took was actually on August 1st. And I have not talked about this in the press until this day because there was a lot of misinformation that came out about it.

I was on a flight, without going into the details of what made me suspicious of these four men, although it would have been blatantly obvious to the most casual observer, I took it upon myself to go to the flight attendant and ask to speak to the pilot of the plane. The first officer came out. I reported to him that I felt that the four men, and I said, "Can you look over my shoulder and see who I'm talking about?" And he said, "Yeah." I said I think they're going to hijack this plane. I mean, everything they're doing, and I explained to him these details, which I've been asked to keep private, until whatever jurisdiction, you know -- whatever trials may take place, their behavior was such that I felt that they were going to hijack the plane. "

Woods did warn, but he was IGNORED.

You are encouraging people to IGNORE suspicious people, who may be terrorists.

The point is that there are warnings at airports, TELLING people to look around them and REPORT suspicious behavior.


64 posted on 07/23/2004 12:04:03 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: jaykay

Geoff Boettcher, an airline pilot and a director of the Allied Pilots Association, has said that Mrs Jacobsen's incident "is not a singular or isolated experience. The terrorists are probing us all the time". Mr Boettcher said captains have been trying to speak out on this, but so far their words have been falling on deaf ears.

It is telling in this context that the 11 September Commission's report documents the patience and determination of the hijackers and how they explored weaknesses in airline and border procedures, even taking test flights to see when cockpit doors were open.

According to Mark Bogosian, a pilot for American Airlines, such incidents "occur more than you like to think. It's a 'dirty little secret' that all of us, as crew members, have known about for quite some time."
Rand Peck, captain for a major US airline, said he was "deeply bothered" by the inconsistencies he sees at the Transport and Security Administration. "I've observed matronly grandmothers practically disrobed at security checkpoints and five-year-old blond boys turned inside out, while Middle Eastern males sail through undetained.

"We have little to fear from grandmothers and little boys. But Middle Eastern males are protected, not by our Constitution, but from our current popular policy of political correctness and a desire to offend no-one at any cost, regardless of how many airplanes and bodies litter the landscape."

http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=841042004


65 posted on 07/23/2004 12:04:08 AM PDT by jaykay
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To: BagCamAddict

Your comment jarred my memory and yes, you are correct.

But, in fact that proves my point. FairOpinion said that if only someone took Woods seriously, 9/11 could have been prevented.

It turns out that the FBI did take hinm seriously, and it wasn't. Fact is it couldn't have been.

The 13 musicians were also subjected to police checks on arrival in LA. I'm sure their baggage was opened and inspected, and the plane searched. It would have been irresponsible to do less. They were cleared.

What is the problem here? What do you people want?


66 posted on 07/23/2004 12:05:39 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: John Valentine
Plus it is offensive.

GASP!!!! at the thought.

67 posted on 07/23/2004 12:05:51 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: FairOpinion

When I read your post to me, I am forced to the conclusion that you haven't read or understood a single thing I've said.

I don't think there is a dimes worth of difference between us on the essential issues here, but you are just trying to pick a fight for the sake of conflict.

I'm out. Conceded. Not interested.


68 posted on 07/23/2004 12:08:31 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Nope, not true. Turned out to be a group of musicians on their way to a show.

Indeed. Mohammad Atta wasn't a terrorist either, after all, he was getting a table dance in the strip club the night before, right? Muslims don't attend stip clubs, so that's a sure fire sign that Atta has been falsely accused, and in fact, has been mistaken for the real terrorists, who of course, wear camo pants and either have a turban or a Yasser Arafat doo-rag on their head.

Believe it, if those scumbags can learn to fly an airplane, they can learn to play music.

69 posted on 07/23/2004 12:08:47 AM PDT by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: EGPWS; John Valentine

I was at some airports recently and they made several announcements over the loudspeaker, requesting people to be alert and report any suspicious people or behavior.

People who are discouraging people from reporting suspicious behavior, are doing a disservice to the innocents, who may end up being murdered, because someone could have raised the alarm, and didn't.

If it's false alarm, no harm done, except a minor inconvenience to people, who should know better, than behave suspiciously, if they are innocent. If, on the other hand, they are terrorists, an alert bystander may foil the attack.

Another example is Richard Reid. If passengers and the flight attendant hadn't been alert, anothe plane would have been blown up.

I suppose John Valentine would have advised those passengers, to not get all paranoid, relax, and sit calmly, while Richard Reid blows them all to Kingdom Come.


70 posted on 07/23/2004 12:09:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion
The point is that there are warnings at airports, TELLING people to look around them and REPORT suspicious behavior.

And TSA testing people employed at airports to verify their vigilance in reporting and stiff fines if one does not pass the test! ; )

71 posted on 07/23/2004 12:10:07 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: NYC GOP Chick

Arafat was a dentist.


72 posted on 07/23/2004 12:10:16 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: EGPWS

Yeah... I think you are acting a bit withdrawn--- erratic like, and moody. Maybe I ought to turn you in to the FBI :>)


73 posted on 07/23/2004 12:10:52 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: jaykay

"We have little to fear from grandmothers and little boys. But Middle Eastern males are protected, not by our Constitution, but from our current popular policy of political correctness and a desire to offend no-one at any cost, regardless of how many airplanes and bodies litter the landscape."


And this is the real problem!


74 posted on 07/23/2004 12:13:06 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion

I'm a bit sick and tired of you putting words in my mouth that I have never uttered. especially when they are precisely the opposite of my clearly expressed views.

Thats a technique of a foul liar like Bill Clinton, and not what I expect on this site.


75 posted on 07/23/2004 12:13:10 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Ichneumon

"One Arab singer in California hardly qualifies as a "debunking" or any sort of proof that this singer and his hypothetical background band is in any way connected to the people who raised fears on the flight in question, or that those people on the flight were actually musicians. "

Exactly!


76 posted on 07/23/2004 12:13:47 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: John Valentine

"It turns out that the FBI did take hinm seriously"

That was AFTER 9-11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which you would know, if you bothered to read the article, as I suggested several times.

But, again, you not only ignore, but REFUSE to even look at facts, because facts refute your position.


77 posted on 07/23/2004 12:15:45 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: FairOpinion; John Valentine
I suppose John Valentine would have advised those passengers, to not get all paranoid, relax, and sit calmly, while Richard Reid blows them all to Kingdom Come.

FairOpinion; EGPWS = proactive

John Valentine = reactive.

78 posted on 07/23/2004 12:20:09 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: FairOpinion; John Valentine
I suppose John Valentine would have advised those passengers, to not get all paranoid, relax, and sit calmly, while Richard Reid blows them all to Kingdom Come.

FairOpinion; EGPWS = proactive

John Valentine = reactive.

79 posted on 07/23/2004 12:20:16 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: FairOpinion

Like Michael Savage said today--if the government is not going to protect us, then we have to protect ourselves. His rule--if there are 5 or more Middle-Eastern looking men on a plane, he's outta there. I would leave if there were more than 3....Political Correctness will kill us ! Unfortunately, its going to take another tragedy for these idiots to wake up...sickening....


80 posted on 07/23/2004 12:20:31 AM PDT by visualize-no-libs (Beware the enemy within.....)
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To: meadsjn

"Arafat was a dentist."


And Al Zawahiri, BIn Laden's No. 2 a doctor, I think he was actually a surgeon.

Assad, President of Syria was an optometrist.

Atta was an architect.

Several other terrorists were college educated.

They were/are terrorists nevertheless. Which was your point as well.


81 posted on 07/23/2004 12:20:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: EGPWS

TSA probably just doesn't want people to fall asleep at the airport and miss their flights, so they try to keep them alert and doing something -- that's the only reason for the warning, I am sure. (/sarcasm)


82 posted on 07/23/2004 12:21:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Ok, look... to anyone who believes the story that the Syrians were Musicians. They may have been musicians. But just maybe they weren't:

1. Consider the source: Who was the super-sleuth who supposedly solved the mystery of the Syrian musicians? (I'd look, but I hated the article the first time I read it, so I'm not going to read it again.) Wasn't he some small-time radio disc jockey slash crime reporter slash liberal college student? Why are you people taking HIS word for it vs. all the eyewitness reports of the suspicious behavior? And hello, the FBI interviewed these people for HOURS.

2. Ever heard the term "disinformation" ?? Who is to say our Govt didn't put out the "musicians" story to keep the public from panicking? Has anyone besides Junior Disc Jockey confirmed ANY parts of his story? (Vs. ALL parts of the eyewitness' story have been corroborated.)

3. Nope, we haven't heard the story about the guy trying to break through the lavatory mirror into the cockpit - Why do you suppose that is?? -- Hushing it up so the public doesn't panic.

4. Did you NOT hear the story about the Syrian who WAS arrested at the Minn. airport with a suicide note, anti-American CDs and DVDs, and ties to at least one known terrorist? And did you know that he was caught THE DAY BEFORE Tom Ridge made his most recent (and most ominous) plea to be alert? And if we caught ONE guy, how many more slipped through?

5. And I might as well repeat this one: Terrorists can be musicians too.

6. And this one: YES, the 4 guys that James Woods reported WERE four of the 9-11 hijackers.

7. Terrorists don't necessarily need to be expert, undercover, or keeping a low profile: Did you know Atta and another hijacker abandoned their training plane on the runway and just walked away from it because they were done with it? Did you know Atta and another hijacker tried, separately and together, to get loans for $500k - $650k to start a crop dusting business (and a sugar cane farm), and Atta said to the loan officer, "What would prevent me from coming around your desk and slitting your throat and taking the millions from the vault?"

Oy... no wonder our Country isn't prepared. We have intelligent people on this forum who are looking at everything through rose-colored glasses. Intelligent people who know less than one-tenth of the READILY AVAILABLE information... I shudder to think how much scary information our Security Agencies know about that we NEVER hear about.

And let me throw out one more food for thought: No one thought that both Twin Towers would be removed from this planet by two airplanes. We all watched the second plane hit, we all saw the flames, we all knew thousands were dying. But none of us thought the towers would collapse. We, the general public, WILL be surprised by their next attack, because we simply don't think like they do. Hopefully our Security Agencies won't be surprised.

And like President Bush said, we have to get it right 100% of the time (thwarting the attacks), and they only have to get it right once.

But don't anyone kid themselves, an attack is coming - not if, but when, where, and how???

(Sorry for the extremely long post!)
83 posted on 07/23/2004 12:23:02 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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To: FairOpinion

You know, this is getting a bit tiresome, but I'll try to get through to you one more time.


But I have a job and can't spend hours on this stuff.

James Woods saw something on a flight and made a report to the airline and to the FBI.

I suspect that similar reports are filed by the dozens every day.

Will you tell me hbow you would discern between the ones that will turn out in hindsight to have bee crucially important and the ones that will not? And not by after the fact analysis.

You can't, because it is impossible. And to say that the FBI should have or even could have prevented 9/11 on the bsis on James Wood's report is utterly juvenile.

Now, on to the other issue, that somehow I think that passengers should try to simulate sheep on the way to slaughter. No, never. Look at my post 17, addressed to YOU. You must never have read it. I said if err we must, we must err on the side of survival. Do you comprenhend that this means that we report suspcious behavior even if it later turns out to have been innocent?

That's it for me on this thread. Let the insanity rage on with out me.


84 posted on 07/23/2004 12:24:10 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion
TSA probably just doesn't want people to fall asleep at the airport and miss their flights, so they try to keep them alert and doing something -- that's the only reason for the warning, I am sure. (/sarcasm)

Nor do they want to allow airport workers to lose their vigilance in being alert, proactive, and communicative in their concerns as seen. /No Sarcasm ; )

85 posted on 07/23/2004 12:30:32 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: John Valentine
It turns out that the FBI did take hinm seriously, and it wasn't.

Oy again. The FBI took Woods' initial report, like they should have done. But did they take it seriously? Did they do any followup? We don't know, but obviously it wasn't enough, whatever it was. They only contacted Woods to go over the information again AFTER 9-11 had happened.

And if the 4 hijackers Woods had reported were given a thorough police check upon touchdown, THEY would have been cleared also, because it was a DRY RUN. They weren't carrying any weapons, and likely they had clean backgrounds and weren't on any terrorist watch lists (because our pre 9-11 watch lists were minimal).

So just because the 14 Syrian "musicians" were cleared after the police checks, doesn't mean it wasn't a DRY RUN and that they're not terrorists.

Do you remember the term "lilly whites"? That means they were recruiting people who have NO criminal background, and NO terrorist ties, and NO way to trace them as being suspicious. ALL 14 of the Syrian "musicians" were cleared with NO criminal backgrounds?? THAT, in itself, is suspicious to me! What are the chances we could get any 14 Freepers together and have ALL 14 completely clear of any criminal activity or police reports? I wouldn't bet a nickle on it.

And who's to say their passports and IDs weren't ALL false, which is why they had NO record of police interaction on ANY of the 14. A band of musicians? Yep, sounds pretty lilly white to me.

86 posted on 07/23/2004 12:34:12 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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To: NYC GOP Chick

what are the odds of seeing 14 ME men on an airplane, all sitting in different parts. checkin in and out of the toilets. i'm not a racist or paranoid person but if i were to see 14 ME men scouting around, that kinda makes ya think...


87 posted on 07/23/2004 12:37:15 AM PDT by jjames001
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To: BagCamAddict

The article only says that the pilot and the flight attendant reported Wood's observations to the FAA, but there was no info about whether the FAA did anything with that info.


88 posted on 07/23/2004 12:37:20 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: BagCamAddict

Per you last post.

I agree with every single thing you say. I hope that's not disappointing to you.


89 posted on 07/23/2004 12:38:59 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion

G-d help us if the american people think Kerry, in concert with France and Germany, will be better able to protect this country.


90 posted on 07/23/2004 12:39:24 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: BagCamAddict

Just one other point again.

What do you think the FBI could have done beyond what they did do?

And in answering this question it's no fair for you to use the knowledge you now have thest these guys turned out to be supremely dangerous.

And keep in mind that Wood's alert is undoubtedly not the ONLY similar report reaching the FBI on any given day.


91 posted on 07/23/2004 12:41:39 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: FairOpinion

Here is the bands website
http://hometown.aol.com/musicaxis/mehana.htm


92 posted on 07/23/2004 12:43:08 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: FairOpinion

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000252.htm

more info at link above


93 posted on 07/23/2004 12:43:58 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: NYC GOP Chick
There are far too many people who would rather believe that a group of people travelling together were terrorists and couldn't possibly have an innocent explanation for their activities.

Imagine that, a group of middle easterners getting on a plane in Detroit.

The hyping and the hysteria surrounding this story was so over the top!!!!

94 posted on 07/23/2004 12:44:02 AM PDT by OldFriend (IF YOU CAN READ THIS, THANK A TEACHER.......AND SINCE IT'S IN ENGLISH, THANK A SOLDIER)
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To: FairOpinion

I didn't read your exact article; I'd read earlier versions wherein it was stated that Woods reported it to the FBI. Thus, the FBI being in his driveway after 9-11.


95 posted on 07/23/2004 12:44:11 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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To: BagCamAddict

Finally, it would be helpful if you read MY posts to find out what I think instead of relying on FairOpinion's recycled version.


96 posted on 07/23/2004 12:44:11 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: John Valentine

LOL... nope, it's thrilling!

Now if we can just get the 200-million or so uninformed Americans on our wavelength, we might be getting somewhere. ;-)

And your point is a good one, re what do we do with these reports? I guess my only suggestion would be to NOT cover them up, to disseminate this info to the public, so that John Q. American will finally "get it" that we need to be vigilant. The more this stuff is shoved under the rug, the more we're vulnerable. IMHO.


97 posted on 07/23/2004 12:47:04 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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To: NYC GOP Chick
Nope, not true. Turned out to be a group of musicians on their way to a show.

Do you have any idea what it cost for 14 people to fly round trip across this country? And just so they can do a show at a bottom shelf, San Diego dive?

Does Bush have to put up with strange diaperheads wandering around Airforce One at 30,000 feet? Why should he expect any of us to put up with this bull sh*t?

98 posted on 07/23/2004 12:47:32 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: jjames001
...i were to see 14 ME men scouting around, that kinda makes ya think...

Maybe where you live, but in Detroit, you probably could only think that you must be at a street corner. Or the airport.

99 posted on 07/23/2004 12:48:09 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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What do you think the FBI could have done beyond what they did do?

See my #97.

100 posted on 07/23/2004 12:49:20 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (God Bless our Military Heroes)
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