Posted on 07/23/2004 6:39:07 AM PDT by yonif
French Defence Minister: Sharon`s call for French Jews to emigrate to Israel is `unjust, excessive, inappropriate` (Reuters)
They would rather have the Jews die in France and Germany than live in Israel.
He really is being excessive about this. Sounds like "the wicked flee where no man pursueth" syndrome.
Blaming the victim, as usual.
Personally, I'd like to see the French Jews start fighting back against these thugs. Legally and literally.
There goes the tax payers.
Ha. The truth hurts, eh Jacques? You lie down with dogs, you get fleas!
Given the fact that Sharon made the comment in a speech to an American group, a speech designed to encourage American Jews to emigrate to Israel, the French are whining a bit too much.
Even if the audience was not specifically French, it was a public statement, not a private remark. Frankly, is it a antisemitic or anti-Isreali attack to say that, at the very least, PM Sharon should have worded this more carefully ?
And if President Chirac had made a similar swipe at the US, even before a non-US audience, I respectfully believe I'd still be hearing about it, only people would say "outrage" instead of "whine".
Considering that's the the Prime Minister of the "shitty little country" in the view of the French diplomatic corps, and he's referring to a nation where a Jew is advised NOT to look like a Jew, I think he worded it just fine. The French can be offended, doesn't bother me and I doubt Sharon is losing much sleep over it.
And if President Chirac had made a similar swipe at the US, even before a non-US audience, I respectfully believe I'd still be hearing about it, only people would say "outrage" instead of "whine".
Right, we'd ban Chirac from visiting the US. Maybe break off relations.
Actually, if Chirac suggested American's of French heritage emigrate to France due to discrimination against French Americans, most people would fall down laughing.
You overlook a cultural difference.
It’s fair to say many Americans, certainly many on this board, are contemptuous of France. Canada too. But they don’t harass French Americans. Or Canadians.
France has every right to be contemptuous of the “shitty little country”. Based on that contempt, they do harass French Jews, or tolerate harassment.
Most Americans would consider that a form of bigotry.
Sure doesn't take much to push the Froggy's buttons.
Well, the French JEWS were offended as well by PM Sharon's remarks, so I don't think it's something that can be so easily discarded as anti-Israeli attitude or sentiment, Mr Jackson.
As for "France harassing French Jews", as you put it, your wording implies it is an official policy to harass Jew citizens of this country. Could you please tell me what officially-sanctioned incidents or attacks you are refering to ? And where is the officially-sanctioned policy to tolerate antisemitism ?
I think all Christians should leave France as well. They should all go back to Bethlehem. Let the Muslims have France.
What a stupid comment. Why is it any of the French government's business if Israel encourages Jews to make aliyah?
What's your opinion on the opinion piece from The Scotsman in #14?
Is it not the case that France has set herself up against 'perfidious Albion', including the upstart Americans and the 'impossible' Jews?
Given the fact that they’re French, that doesn’t surprise me. Personally I’d just as soon see them stay and fight.
As for "France harassing French Jews", as you put it, your wording implies it is an official policy to harass Jew citizens of this country. Could you please tell me what officially-sanctioned incidents or attacks you are refering to ? And where is the officially-sanctioned policy to tolerate antisemitism ?
There’s no official policy that I’m aware of.
The fact that if I were to visit your country, I and my family would be advised not to wear a yarmulke or even something as innocuous as a mezuzah or Mogen David, anything identifying me as a Jew, is indicative of the existence of harassment. If you prefer another term, feel free to use it. Personally, I won’t visit France on the condition of hiding my faith.
BTW, during Chanukah a few years ago there was an incident of vandalism perpetrated against a Jewish family in Billings, Montana, a town of about 85,000 with a few dozen Jewish families. The vandals had seen a Menorah in their window, and threw a brick through the window. The police suggested removing the Menorah from the window, kind of like not wearing a yarmulke.
Church groups made paper Menorahs that Sunday. The town paper printed a Menorah centerfold in their next edition. By the end of Chanukah there were hundreds of Menorahs in windows of Billings.
I’d suggest that if France is serious about combating anti-Semitism, not tolerating it, they could learn something from Billings. Who knows, maybe some Frenchmen will wearing yamulkes, is support of their Jewish countrymen.
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Light in Montana: How One Town Said No to Hate
by Jo Clare Hartsig and Walter Wink
Montana, long known as “big sky” territory, is vast and beautiful, like all its northwestern neighbors. One might assume that there is room enough for everyone. Yet over the past decade the five-state area of Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana has been designated a “white homeland” for the Aryan Nation and growing numbers of kindred skinheads, Klan members, and other white supremacists. These groups have targeted nonwhites, Jews, gays, and lesbians for harassment, vandalism, and injury, which in some cases has led to murder.
In Billings, Montana (pop.83,000) there have been a number of hate crimes: desecration of a Jewish cemetery, threatening phone calls to Jewish citizens, swastikas painted on the home of an inter-racial couple. But it was something else that activated the people of faith and goodwill throughout the entire community.
On December 2, 1993, a brick was thrown through 5-year-old Isaac Schnitzer’s bedroom window. The brick and shards of glass were strewn all over the child’s bed. The reason? A menorah and other symbols of Jewish faith were stenciled on the glass as part of the family’s Hanukkah celebration. The account of the incident in the Billings Gazette the next day reported that Isaac’s mother, Tammie Schnitzer, was troubled by the advice she got from the investigating officer. He suggested that she remove the symbols. How would she explain this to her son?
Another mother in Billings was deeply touched by that question. She tried to imagine explaining to her children that they couldn’t have a Christmas tree in the window or a wreath on the door because it wasn’t safe. She remembered what happened when Hitler ordered the king of Denmark to force Danish Jews to wear the Star of David. The order was never carried out because the king himself and many other Danes chose to wear the yellow stars. The Nazis lost the ability to find their “enemies.”
There are several dozen Jewish families in Billings. This kind of tactic could effectively deter violence if enough people got involved. So Margaret McDonald phoned her pastor, the Rev. Keith Torney at the First Congregational United Church of Christ, and asked what he thought of having Sunday school children make paper cut-out menorahs for their own windows. He got on the phone with his clergy colleagues around town, and the following week menorahs appeared in the windows of hundreds of Christian homes. Asked about the danger of this action, police chief Wayne Inman told callers, “There’s greater risk in not doing it.”
Five days after the brick was thrown at the Schnitzer home, the Gazette published a full-page drawing of a menorah, along with a general invitation to put it up. By the end of the week at least six thousand homes (some accounts estimate up to ten thousand) were decorated with menorahs.
A sporting goods store got involved by displaying “Not in our town! No hate. No violence. Peace on earth” on its large billboard. Someone shot at it. Townpeople organized a vigil outside the synagogue during Sabbath services. That same night bricks and bullets shattered windows at Central Catholic High school, where an electric marquee read “Happy Hanukkah to our Jewish Friends.” The cat of a family with a menorah was killed with an arrow. Windows were broken at a United Methodist Church because of its menorah display. The car and house windows of six non-Jewish families were shattered. A note that said “Jew lover” was left on a car.
Eventually these incidents waned, but people continued in their efforts to support one another against hate crimes. After being visited at home and threatened by one of the local skinhead leaders, Tammie Schnitzer is now always accompanied by friends when she goes on her morning run. During the Passover holiday the following spring, 250 Christians joined their Jewish brothers and sisters in a traditional Seder meal. New friendships have formed, new traditions have started, and greater mutual understanding and respect have been achieved.
Last winter families all over Billings took out their menorahs to reaffirm their commitment to peace and religious tolerance. The light they shared in the community must be continuously rekindled until hate has been overcome
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