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Wrong Song of the South: The Dangerous Fallacies of Confederate Multiculturalism
Reason Online ^ | July 16, 2004 | David T. Beito and Charles W. Nuckolls

Posted on 07/23/2004 7:51:00 AM PDT by Captain Kirk

Wrong Song of the South: The Dangerous Fallacies of Confederate Multiculturalism.

David T. Beito and Charles W. Nuckolls

During the last decade, the League of the South and other “southern heritage” groups have fought to preserve the state flags of Georgia and Mississippi. Some members of the League have demanded that universities hire Southern born professors. Others have promoted antebellum style dances. Nearly all are quick to champion their “heroes,” including Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis, against any slights.

The jargon of group rights and identity politics, normally the domain of the politically correct, permeates their pronouncements. In Georgia, a member of the League boasts that “our Southern heritage celebrates true diversity...and true multiculturalism.” Read the rest here.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: civilwar; confederate; dixie; dixielist; multiculturalism; reason; secession; slavery
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To: CurlyBill

YEP!


41 posted on 07/23/2004 11:43:13 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"An invitation to every disaffected state to pick up its marbles and go home,"

As would have happened with California and Nevada. One of the reasons for the development of both the Pony Express and Western Union telegraph was to give California a sense of connection to the rest of the nation. Few Americans are aware of the fact that Americans were not a majority in the state. The gold fields had attracted people from as far as Australia, Chile, China, and Europe. These, together with disenfranchised Mexicans had little in common with America.

A nation using the wealth of the gold fields, the richness of the agriculture, the location for trade, and a synpathetic nation in Britain, with British Columbia to the north may not only have seceded, but done so successfully. So allowing the secession of the Lower South would set a precedent that could truly destroy the Republic.

42 posted on 07/23/2004 12:12:24 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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bump


43 posted on 07/23/2004 12:14:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"The United Nations is a club, not a polity."


Then why is this "club" attempting to claim jurisdiction over internal matters of the United States. This nation originated as an assemblage of sovereign states with the powers of the central government limited to those spelled out in the constitution and it has evolved to the current status in which one hardly dares go to the bathroom without permission from the central government. The United Nations will follow the same pattern if allowed to.

Would you dare to even suggest that South Carolina agreed to join the Union with full knowledge that she could never leave? I was born and raised in this state and I would consider the suggestion absurd.


44 posted on 07/23/2004 12:27:32 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: vetvetdoug

"Its ok for everyone to celebrate and show respect to their heritage except me."


I sympathize, I am a six foot four inch, two hundred and fifty pound white male with a surname which apparently traces back to the Viking invaders of England, descended from Confederate veterans on both sides. I was born in the true Cradle of the Confederacy, the county where the first secession meeting was held and where almost everything that existed prior to The War of Northern Aggression was destroyed by Sherman's troops. Besides that I am heterosexual and consider Rush Limbaugh to be a promoter of big government. I am surprised that I have not been hunted down and shot.


45 posted on 07/23/2004 12:49:08 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: WKB; wardaddy; dixiechick2000; bourbon; Yudan; vetvetdoug

It's here-they-go-again-time.
More hate coming from the folks
who accuse us of hate. LOL!
Damn this has grown tiresome.
Like a broken record.
Bless their hearts.


46 posted on 07/23/2004 12:59:32 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry '04: The Sears Tower is just an eyesore.)
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To: RipSawyer

Superbly stated.


47 posted on 07/23/2004 2:55:04 PM PDT by onyx (Kerry '04: The Sears Tower is just an eyesore.)
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To: crz
....stuck forever in the past while the rest of those in the south who have forgotten that useless and wastful war, move foreward.

Did someone say, "Move on!"?

48 posted on 07/23/2004 3:17:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
The United Nations is a club, not a polity.

If they send a Chinese mechanized infantry corps to your town, they won't be.

49 posted on 07/23/2004 3:24:27 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: RipSawyer
I am unaware of this but if it is true then Jefferson Davis was just as wrong as Lincoln. I don't believe that any state joined the Union expecting that they could never withdraw under any circumstances.

If that's so, they were very naive, because (correct me if I'm mistaken) the Constitution makes no provision for it.

50 posted on 07/23/2004 5:41:35 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"If that's so, they were very naive, because (correct me if I'm mistaken) the Constitution makes no provision for it."


The powers of the central government are limited to those explicitly granted to it, all other power is reserved to the states or to the people. The constitution does not specifically grant to the central government the right to force a state to remain in the union, therefore it does not rightfully have this power, how is it naive to expect not to have the central government claim powers not granted to it?


51 posted on 07/23/2004 6:05:09 PM PDT by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: RipSawyer
MW TOO!

are you SCV???

free dixie,sw

52 posted on 07/23/2004 6:43:16 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: RipSawyer; All
EXACTLY!

the Constitution was INTENDED as a curb on the central government, which was created by the several STATES!

NO STATE would have entered a compact in the early 19th century, from which it could NOT FREELY withdraw!

free dixie,sw

53 posted on 07/23/2004 6:46:26 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I guess that it would come down to whether you believe this is a government "OF THE PEOPLE" or not! Apparently you don't have the slightest inkling of where our American Ideals were first set down in writing.


54 posted on 07/23/2004 8:56:37 PM PDT by Colt .45 ( Veteran - Pride in my Southern Ancestry! Falsum etiam est verum quod constituit superior.)
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To: Colt .45
Here's a response to the article from lewrockwell.com:

In a piece entitled "Wrong Song of the South," recently appearing in Reason online, Professors David T. Beito and Charles W. Nuckolls, both of the University of Alabama, undertake to expose the "dangerous fallacies of Confederate multiculturalism" (italics in original).

Confederate multiculturalism – a phenomenon which seems largely to exist in the authors’ minds – is said to characterize the League of the South and other (unnamed) "‘southern heritage’ groups." For some reason, "southern heritage" is put in scare-quotes. Perhaps there is no Southern heritage worth mentioning; or perhaps there is, but it is all bad.

Better we should form Burned-Over District Heritage Societies.

In aid of trivializing the ideas of Southern multiculturalists, so-called, the authors adduce a (white) female professor caught in the act of defending Kwanzaa. The less said of this "comparison," the better. Just in terms of sheer time-depth, Southern culture is a few centuries older than Kwanzaa and might, therefore, have more standing. Southern culture, like it or not, is "older than the Union," so to speak, and thus has had time to develop a good many cultural features with no small claim to authenticity, even as the word is understood by social scientists.

The whole American experience itself is not very old in historical terms, and it is not immediately self-evident that the repackaging of that experience by New England scribes, self-appointed to define the truly "American," settles such questions for all time. There is a Virginia-centric reading of Southern – and American – history, and there has been for a long, long time.1 It is not entirely idle for people who find themselves in possession of a particular inheritance at the end of several centuries, to wish to preserve some of it, especially when they find that inheritance under constant attack.

Beito and Nuckolls adduce the League’s call for "reparations for the South" as further evidence of Southern multiculturalism. Here, I fear they are – for all their formal training in the sciences of human action – a bit tone-deaf. I don’t think anyone calling for "reparations for the South" really expects to get them. What we have here is a talking point, an attempt at reminding people that Mr. Lincoln’s Union-saving armies did burn Atlanta, did burn Columbia, did shell Charleston for a year and a half, and so on.

At a time when everyone is supposed to go around apologizing for the sins of his ancestors, it is understandable (if unwelcome to some), that someone might wish to broaden the discussion in this direction. Since Union conduct of that war underlies present-day US inability to wage anything but total war, a perspective on that conduct might provide interesting insights into deeply rooted "American" traditions in foreign policy and war making. The contemporary Neo-Con doctrine of presidential infallibility, as presented by John C. Yoo and other phony "originalists,"2 stems directly from Lincoln’s notions of inherent presidential powers, and thus a straight line runs from Lincoln’s "precedents" to the much-mooted torture memos of recent memory.

Read the rest of the article here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/stromberg/stromberg65.html

55 posted on 07/24/2004 1:52:33 PM PDT by Georgia_Patriot_1973
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To: stainlessbanner
For educated professors, this is a shoddy article.

I agree, Stainless. One has to wonder just where these professors were "educated." The article/analysis is laughable. One huge cliche by a couple of PC "educators" entranced by the sound of their own voices.

56 posted on 07/24/2004 8:59:57 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Poohbah
An obscure personage from Mississippi said that if any Northern state attempted to secede over the slavery issue, that state would be brought back into the Union with all force necessary.

Yes. Jefferson Davis was Secretary of War at the time, in the 1850s, long before he came to realize that State sovereignty was more important to freedom than yankee imperialism.

57 posted on 07/24/2004 9:03:46 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: Papatom
And somewhere bottles of the original Coca-Cola would still be drunk.

I'm drinking one now. 8 ounce glass bottle. Hard to find. Kind of expensive. But oh so yummy!

58 posted on 08/05/2004 10:08:13 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: RipSawyer; Mr Ramsbotham
From Lincoln's first Inaugural:
Again, if the United States be not a government proper, but an association of States in the nature of contract merely, can it, as a contract, be peaceably unmade, by less than all the parties who made it? One party to a contract may violate it—break it, so to speak; but does it not require all to lawfully rescind it?

Try substituting the word "Nations" for the word "States." How does that sound?

59 posted on 08/05/2004 10:09:36 AM PDT by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb

The image I get is of an individual trying to obtain a divorce by simply declaring himself divorced.


60 posted on 08/05/2004 10:30:23 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("This house is sho' gone crazy!")
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