Posted on 07/23/2004 12:03:52 PM PDT by philosofy123
I know it is late afternoon on Friday for me to get a good response to this posting, however, I am constantly thinking that the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.
I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking, however, after 9/11, and after the wall to wall public education regarding fanatic Islam, it would not be harmful to day to admit the truth.
Please let me know your views?
Two points: First, Flight 800 was beyond the range of shoulder-fired missiles, and second, it didn't happen in NY harbor. Not to say that Flight 800 wasn't shot down by some kind of missile, but your average SAM or Stinger wasn't up to the job.
And third, why do you post everything, including your vanities, into activism/chapters?
What's the connection in your header about TWA800 and Sandy Berger.
And as much as I think there is reason to believe it was attacked, you're flagellating in the wind. They could never admit it.
You forgot to pick on my spellings!
Negative.
Flight 800 was 2.45 miles up, an FIM-92C stinger can reach 3 miles.
An SA-14/16/18 family missile can reach 3.5 miles as far as is known.
the 9/11 commision were not shown these documents because Berger stole them. If these document were revealed, the comission could have leaked the info to the public. I do understand the reason for keeping this secret AT THAT TIME! However, after 9/11, our ears, and brains are no longer virgin, we can takew it.
NO!!
TWA 800's successful shootdown took place only weeks before DIRT Ex-POTUS' re-election. Acknowledging a terror horror on US soil that close to the balloting wouldn't ensured not only a Xlinton loss, but the end of Democratic rule for a generation.
They HAD to manufacture a myth about "central fuel tanks". That they were able to do this despite hundreds of witnesses terrifies me to this day.
I'll settle for picking on your grammar. Seriously, don't you think you could save the mods some work and not post everything into Activism/Chapters? Or are all of your posts so pressing and important that they belong there?
Crash investigators found traces of PETN — a chemical compound that is found in the residue from conventional high-explosives — in certain locations in the mid-section of the fuselage of the Boeing 747 airliner. Hundreds of eyewitnesses in three states — New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut — saw Flight 800 explode as it climbed out over the Atlantic Ocean from Kennedy International Airport on the evening of 17 July 1996. About 290 of those eyewitnesses also reported seeing a “flare-like object” rising from the surface of the ocean toward Flight 800, and converge with it, immediately prior to the explosion. Some of those eyewitnesses reported seeing two such objects. But, the FBI special agent in charge of the investigation later said, “There is no missile, there never was a missile, and there’s never going to be a missile.”
There is speculation that the secrets that Mr. Burger was sent to scrub was the TWA flight 800 information. There were over 50 eye witnesses to a missle of some type leaveing the earth and striking the aircraft. Also, there were reports that the FAA has a video of radar inmages indicating a missle strike. They even looked at a US Navy ship in the area to find out if it had fired a missle.
Flight 800 was shot down in July. The election was in November. Hardly "a few weeks"
From what I've seen on the internet, the max altitude for the FIM-92C is 12,500 feet. TWA 800 was at 13,800.
There's a surprisingly large contingent of people engaged in delusional wishful thinking that believe the stuff Berger took was chock full of TWA 800 and OKC material.
You're under the mistaken impression that facts matter to the nutters.
I really don't care about all these explanations as far as the distance, these can be lies. All I needed to know is hundreds of American citizens (who have no reason to lie) witnessed a flame going from the water shooting into the sky, and then witnessing an explosion. That tells me the whole story before all the lies, and the cover up from the Clinton Administration and its worthless OK Coral in our media. It is the same damn story with Egypt Air, where the Egyptian government openly FORCED the Clinton Administration to force the NASB to shut up and lie.
When I was in uniform, the max altitude of the C version was listed as 3 miles.
This was back in 1996.
Didn't think to keep the TM on it from my armory.
So9
They are just dillusional. Everyone knows he was after the Vince Foster files.
Yeah, we can't let those inconvenient facts get in the way of our theories, eh?
All I needed to know is hundreds of American citizens (who have no reason to lie) witnessed a flame going from the water shooting into the sky, and then witnessing an explosion.
Fine, you've got a streak of light. That does not mean it was a shoulder-fired missile - instead, it could have been some kind of larger SAM, mounted on a small ship. But if you're going to postulate, you'd best incorporate the facts into your theories.
I don't like that they lied to us about JFKs' assasination!
In fact I don't like liars ... period!
Length 5 feet (1.5 meters)
Width 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)
Weight 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)
Weight fully armed 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)
Maximum system span 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)
Range 1 to 8 kilometers
Sight ring 10 mils
Fuzing Penetration, impact, self destruct
Ceiling 10,000 feet (3.046 kilometers) High enough to hit Flight 800
Speed Supersonic in flight
USMC Units Low-Altitude Air Defense (LAAD) Battalions: 3
active duty, 2 reserve
Crew 2 enlisted
Guidance system Fire-and-forget passive infrared seeker Warheads High explosive
Rate of fire 1 missile every 3 to 7 seconds
Type of fire "Fire-and-Forget"
Sensors Passive infrared
Introduction date 1987
Full-rate production 3QFY94 Unit Replacement Cost $38,000
Total program cost (TY$) 1060 systems $7281M
Average unit cost (TY$) $6M
Inventory ~13,400 missiles
Altitude or range? I've seen the range listed as three miles.
I have the same theory. However, I cannot explain why W Bush chooses to cover up for Clinton, instead of uncovering this news and put Clinton in the can?
True only if you are shooting at a stationary object at that altitude.
Operational altitude, that at which a missile can make an intercept on a moving aircraft is much lower.
So9
A helicopter unit training that night got a presidential "shut up" order from Bubba about it as well.
They have Aircraft Survivability Equipment (ASE) that detects missile launches and warns the pilot over the "Bitchin' Betty".
Not sure exactly how it works, I was artillery not a heckabug driver, but I remember a news interview with a pilot type and he said he thought the missile was coming at him.
After that, that unit was told to shut up, and the newsies seemed to expunge the tapeof the broadcast.
my brother in law, who is a pilot for a major airline, belives to this day that flight was shot down... he said the very next day, a missle shot it down.
TWA 800 was at 13,000 feet when the event happened. Try again.
I'm not opposed to the theory that TWA 800 was hit by a missile - but the theories have to mesh with the facts - and the fact is that TWA 800 was too high for a shoulder-fired missile. It would have to have been shipborne and ship-mounted.
Flight 800 was at 2.45 miles when it was hit, meaning the missile had been fired when 800 was at a lower altitude.
It was in it's climbout phase when it was taken down.
In a hundred years from now, the truth will surface.
Altitude.
That's what we were told.
An MK-26 maybe?
Seriously,I did not even chose the activism section, it probably comes in automatically in my setting because I am read mainly the activism section.
Its also obvious that the gov't positioned itself control the release of information and that it was worried about the cause. Its not so obvious that they actually did block information.
Stingers travel at supersonic speeds. It would have arrived within 30 seconds or so of launch. TWA 800 would not have climbed very far in that interval.
No, just don't select Activism/Chapters when you select Topics, unless it is a post specifically about direct activism.
Personally, metal fatigue is as much of a possibility in flight 800's downing.
Heck of alot more plausible than the NTSB's "miracle exploding center wing tank" paper.
i sat behind some TWA pilots on a flight once and they discussed it amoung themselves as a shoot down very matter-of-fact.
I'll agree 100 percent on that.
2. If Flight 800 was brought down by a missile, it was shot down by a U.S. or NATO navy ship conducting exercises off the south shore of Long Island that night.
I don't know the exact cause of the crash, but the facts of this incident clearly indicate that the two statements I posted here are true.
I REST MY CASE, the FBI and other governmental organizations were all ordered to lie!!!!!
The crash of Flight 800 took place four months before the 1996 election.
I think the altitude of the initiating event is one of the few things most folks agree upon.
Never believe what you read on the internet. Haven't you received the Demo talking points on this subject?
Correct.
Think it's speed in flight is about 2.4 mach or thereabouts.
Flight 800 would have been doing anywhere from .5 to .8 mach.
Not much by the way of reaction time available if the pilots even knew what hit them.
'Course, a 747 isn't the most nimble of airliners.
So even if they saw it coming, they wouldn't have been able to do much.
Reminds me of the former Clinton advisor saying that slip about "Like when flight 800 was bombed?"
I doubt the papers Berger took had any info on 800, but I'm darn curious as to what Clitnonoid schemes they reveal.
Aircraft are scheduled for periodic maintenance, every 300 hours. At each 300 hour interval there are repetitious checks as well as added checks.
When you reach 1200 hour, then comes an overhaul, or Depot level maintenance where "skin" and "bones" are replaced.
Possible, but I highly doubt metal fatigue brought it down.
Does anyone know how the victim's families feel about the circumstances of this event? Are they satisifed with the results of the investigation?
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