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1 posted on 07/23/2004 12:03:54 PM PDT by philosofy123
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admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.

Two points: First, Flight 800 was beyond the range of shoulder-fired missiles, and second, it didn't happen in NY harbor. Not to say that Flight 800 wasn't shot down by some kind of missile, but your average SAM or Stinger wasn't up to the job.

And third, why do you post everything, including your vanities, into activism/chapters?

2 posted on 07/23/2004 12:08:26 PM PDT by dirtboy (Forget Berger's socks - has ANYONE searched his skin folds for classified documents?)
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What's the connection in your header about TWA800 and Sandy Berger.

And as much as I think there is reason to believe it was attacked, you're flagellating in the wind. They could never admit it.


3 posted on 07/23/2004 12:10:18 PM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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Read Ending Thoughts...
6 posted on 07/23/2004 12:14:32 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker (Oderint dum metuant)
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I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking

NO!!

TWA 800's successful shootdown took place only weeks before DIRT Ex-POTUS' re-election. Acknowledging a terror horror on US soil that close to the balloting wouldn't ensured not only a Xlinton loss, but the end of Democratic rule for a generation.

They HAD to manufacture a myth about "central fuel tanks". That they were able to do this despite hundreds of witnesses terrifies me to this day.

8 posted on 07/23/2004 12:16:54 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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There is no shoulder fired missile that can hit a plane at the altitude Flt 800 was at.

So9

18 posted on 07/23/2004 12:23:19 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way.)
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I don't appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public ... period!

I don't like that they lied to us about JFKs' assasination!

In fact I don't like liars ... period!

21 posted on 07/23/2004 12:24:56 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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my brother in law, who is a pilot for a major airline, belives to this day that flight was shot down... he said the very next day, a missle shot it down.


27 posted on 07/23/2004 12:26:50 PM PDT by backinthefold (Fair Balanced & Unafraid)
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Berger
28 posted on 07/23/2004 12:26:57 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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Personally, I've never bought any of the disaster reports on X42's watch. Not one.

In a hundred years from now, the truth will surface.

31 posted on 07/23/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by the Deejay
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Its obvious we are not told everything about TWA800, its not so obvious what the real deal is. Missile, bomb, mechanical error.

Its also obvious that the gov't positioned itself control the release of information and that it was worried about the cause. Its not so obvious that they actually did block information.

35 posted on 07/23/2004 12:30:10 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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I posted a thread on Thursday that illustrates how classified is supposed to be handled. The title of the thread is Details of Classified Document Handling Procedures.

bout "honest mistakes" vs premeditation. If you have already read this, please ignore.

The thread can be found here.
40 posted on 07/23/2004 12:32:11 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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1. If Flight 800 was brought down by terrorists, they used a bomb -- not a "shoulder-fired missile."

2. If Flight 800 was brought down by a missile, it was shot down by a U.S. or NATO navy ship conducting exercises off the south shore of Long Island that night.

I don't know the exact cause of the crash, but the facts of this incident clearly indicate that the two statements I posted here are true.

42 posted on 07/23/2004 12:32:30 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: philosofy123; Grampa Dave
Ping.

(G.D., if you know him/her could you please ping the OKC Conspiracy ping list over here?)

61 posted on 07/23/2004 12:42:46 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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A local attorney near me who represents a lot of air force personnel on various matters (and presumably has discussed this topic with them) is convinced that Flight 800 was a successful "shoe bomb." He indicated that the Philippines had warned us about an unsuccessful shoe bomb attempt on one of their airliners shortly before this. Apparently that one blew up the passenger, but not the whole plane.

I know that's a lot of hearsay upon hearsay, but what do you think about the shoe bomb theory?


75 posted on 07/23/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by agsloss
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Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation



TWA Flight 800 bombing (according to George Stephanopoulos) murdering ~230 passengers, October 31, 1998

83 posted on 07/23/2004 12:58:36 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Then I say unto you, send men to summon ... worms. And let us go to Fallujah to collect heads.")
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I will put in my two sense. I am an Engineer in the aerospace industry. I was working on another crash investigation with Boeing at the time. The Boeing engineers were adamant it was not the fuel tanks.</
85 posted on 07/23/2004 12:59:33 PM PDT by TJC
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I agree with you 100%.

There was no center fuel tank explosion.

The coverup of the SAM missile that struck TWA 800 is one of the greatest deceits perpetrated upon the American people by a lying, venal government.

Now that Berger has been exposed as a thief and a liar, maybe he will reveal what he knows of TWA 800, as part of his plea bargain.


92 posted on 07/23/2004 1:04:41 PM PDT by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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I don’t buy the missile theory. However a shoe bomber sitting over the center fuel tack would have caused the explosion and subsequent breakup exactly as the investigators described.

The fact that they could not confirm the presence of explosives does not mean they were never present.

At the end of the day, I do not believe this is a cover-up. No way the government could keep this secret. Somebody always talks, aways.

104 posted on 07/23/2004 1:18:10 PM PDT by usurper
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I do appreciate that they lied to protect the flying public from panicking, however, after 9/11, and after the wall to wall public education regarding fanatic Islam, it would not be harmful to day to admit the truth.

They lied about it because it would hurt Clinton politically to appear impotent in protecting the US against terrorism. The OKC bombing was blamed on right-wing talk radio. TWA 800 was blamed on a gas tank explosion, although the FAA never made one recommendation on how to prevent future explosions (ever heard of that before?)<p. Clinton was behind in the polls before OKC. George Stephanopolous stated that OKC was what won Clinton the election. Clinton blamed conservatives for it. OKC was the Rats Reichstag fire.

106 posted on 07/23/2004 1:19:23 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800

Nahhhhh, they can't (and won't ever) do that, because then they'd naturally open up the can of worms that is admitting that Hillary Clinton hired Craig Livingsto,ne who is the one who acquired (and was in control of) all the FBI files at Hillary's demand and kept them in a lower floor of the White House.

182 posted on 07/23/2004 3:01:01 PM PDT by Pagey ((Hillary Rotten is a Smug and Holier- than- Thou- Socialist))
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I am constantly thinking that the US government should come clean, and admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor.

My advice: GET OVER IT.

Competent pireps (pilot reports) from MANY angles saw *no* missile ...

Something the conspiracy cadre who play quite loosely with the 'facts' *WON'T* tell you about.

WHO do you think was behind TWA800 in that flight corridor that night?

RIGHT, several more sets of pilot's eyes (the air was CRAWLING with planes and multiple sets of pilot's eyes that evening - and PILOT'S make MUCH better witnesses than half-inebriated souls on the surface of the earth) ...

So, GET OVER IT.

216 posted on 07/23/2004 6:30:02 PM PDT by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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admit that they lied to us about the shoulder to air missile that hit the TWA flight 800 in the NYC harbor

Flight 800 was downed by a show-bomb akin to Richard Reid's. The explosion occured right over the center fuel tank (where Reid was sitting). The passenger manifest included a Muslim man with his residence in London, who attended the same mosque as Richard Reid and Zaccharias Moussoui. There is no evidence of a missile besides unreliable "witness" accounts.

227 posted on 07/23/2004 7:22:41 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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They the Clinton administration lied to us about the Oklahoma Bombing!

I don't know the real roll of McVeigh and Nichols were their families endanger like beheading ????

Did you ever hear their voices only what others said they said!

McVeigh said he said the goverment implanted a chip in him?

Who was and what happen to those dark arab looking men?

OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING COVER-UP
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/okc_coverup.htm

Who really knows but it was the way it was handled!

The building was prevented from futher investigation and the rubble was removed quickly.

WE saw daliy a Orange suit McVeigh over and over like brainwashed image!

Too many loose ends!


236 posted on 07/23/2004 8:50:41 PM PDT by restornu (NYC is the home of Conservative Talk Radio Arbitron rates WABC # ONE in the Nation))
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bump


270 posted on 07/26/2004 5:52:24 AM PDT by PGalt
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281 posted on 07/26/2004 12:40:56 PM PDT by f zero
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