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Theory of a founding father's (Alexander Hamilton)African ancestry
The Record ^ | July 23, 2004 | LAWRENCE AARON

Posted on 07/23/2004 1:57:16 PM PDT by Coleus

Theory of a founding father's African ancestry

Friday, July 23, 2004                                             
By LAWRENCE AARON
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AS MUCH as I thought I knew about Alexander Hamilton, the first treasury secretary, nobody ever told me he was black. Yes. You heard it here first, folks.

And you'll think about it from now on every time you take out a $10 bill.

Hamilton biographer Ron Chernow is the latest one to explore the theory.

I was totally blown away by that information when a friend casually mentioned Hamilton's link to two significant anniversaries - the 250th anniversary of Columbia University, originally Kings College where he was schooled, and the 200th anniversary this month of the duel in Weehawken with Aaron Burr that claimed his life.

Hamilton was black? It was in none of the historical accounts I'd read.

Knowing if it's true would help explain why Hamilton and John Jay worked on legal strategies after the Revolution to keep former slaves and freedmen from being snatched back into slavery. They called it the New York Manumission Society.

"He was a passionate and consistent abolitionist," Chernow told me. "What he says about blacks is very sympathetic."

Hamilton wrote a letter to John Jay objecting to his reasons for rejecting slaves and free blacks as soldiers.

"Their natural faculties are probably as good as ours," Hamilton wrote.

Chernow says having been born and raised in two slave-dominant Caribbean cultures - Nevis, a British Island, and St. Croix, under Danish rule - might explain Hamilton's feelings about improving the lot of blacks in America.

In "Alexander Hamilton," Chernow, the author of the newly released Penguin Press biography quotes him: "The contempt we have been taught to entertain for the blacks makes us fancy many things that are founded neither in reason nor in experience."

Chernow says Hamilton never talked about his background, but everybody else - especially his enemies - knew he was born illegitimate and that, with no "family," he had risen fast after arriving on the continent. They called him names - immigrant, foreigner, Creole — punctuated with "bastard."

News accounts of the day called his mother Creole, but Chernow says there's been no proof that he was racially mixed.

Folklore, anonymous statements in the newspaper by political enemies, and the fact that African slaves dominated St. Croix demographics about 14 to one all add to what Chernow calls the "presumption" of blackness in Hamilton's bloodlines. It didn't help that his mother had a less than stellar reputation, having borne him and his brother James after leaving her husband and son on St. Croix and hooking up with her new man on Nevis.

Chernow says there was a "presumption" that his mother was part black, but there's no proof.

"From the time he started to become politically controversial, reports started to occur in the press that he was Creole," Chernow says.

"It does not come from friendly sources. It comes from people who wanted to discredit him." Chernow found a lock of Hamilton's hair, but says geneticists told him race could not be proven definitively using that hair.

William Cissel, a U.S. Park Service historian working on St. Croix, said his mother Rachel Fawcett Levien was listed as white on several census and church burial documents.

Hamilton's blackness is supported only by circumstantial argument.

I say let's dig him up and run some genetic tests on his DNA. It's been done with older bones than his, and we know where he's buried in the Trinity Church churchyard. Why not? A whole cemetery, the African Burial Grounds, was excavated in lower Manhattan and the bones scattered so the foundation of a new federal building could be poured.

Inquiring minds want to know if the Caribbean foreigner responsible for our banking structure and establishing manufacturing in Paterson was of African descent.

One school of thought says color shouldn't matter as long as he did a good job. But it would be a good idea to pin it down for sure to expand our knowledge of colonial history... and to reinforce in African-Americans a sense of "belonging" beyond their slave history.

The message for black youngsters is that African-Americans were present at every stage of the United States' development, and that one of the founding fathers was in fact an African-American.

If nothing else, Hamilton's rise to power and prominence from beginnings that could only be described as Dickensian, is a lesson in overcoming adversity.

Lawrence Aaron is a Record columnist. Contact him at aaron@northjersey.com . Send comments about this column to oped@northjersey.com .

         


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1 posted on 07/23/2004 1:57:20 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

He sure doesn't look black to me.



There is an idiotic group that for years has been claiming the Beethoven was black. People just have too much time on their hands.


2 posted on 07/23/2004 2:03:28 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: EggsAckley

Does this mean that Aaron Burr committed a hate crime when he shot Hamilton in a duel?


3 posted on 07/23/2004 2:10:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium . . . sed ego sum homo indomitus")
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To: EggsAckley

His mother, Rachel, taught him Hebrew. Her first husband was a Danish Jew.. There is much mmore evidence she was Jewish than that she was Black.


4 posted on 07/23/2004 2:11:25 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: Coleus

I heard this a few weeks ago when Forrest McDonald, who wrote one of the best bios of Hamilton, was on C-SPAN2 for a three hour interview. Some caller was asking about this very thing. Dr. McDonald pretty much said it is highly unlikely but irrelevant in any case.

Interestingly, Dr. McDonald mentioned that the most likely person to ever be POTUS and have black ancestry is Warren Harding. You don't hear that one talked about much. I guess Harding isn't "sexy" enough. (and, yes, I know that Hamilton was never POTUS.)


5 posted on 07/23/2004 2:14:04 PM PDT by petitfour
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To: Coleus
My favorite "Black" person:

Heather Locklear:

Another family whose name is a giveaway for their African heritage is that of Locklear - yes, the same one that Heather, the blond bombshell of the TV series, "Melrose Place," claims as her own. Although as Anglo Saxon sounding as you can make it, the name is, in fact, an Indian one and in the language of the Tuscarora tribes means "hold fast." Indeed, it would appear that Ms. Locklear's family, at least on her father's side, once belonged to a segment of the population which in academic terminology is referred to as a tri-racial isolate - a community of individuals whose ancestry is a mixture of European, Indian and Black and who intermarried only with each other. ...

6 posted on 07/23/2004 2:14:48 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: EggsAckley

I think they are an adjunct of the group who wants to claim that all signigicant historical figures were gay.


7 posted on 07/23/2004 2:15:07 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Coleus
Knowing if it's true would help explain why Hamilton and John Jay worked on legal strategies after the Revolution to keep former slaves and freedmen from being snatched back into slavery. They called it the New York Manumission Society.

"He was a passionate and consistent abolitionist," Chernow told me. "What he says about blacks is very sympathetic."

Hamilton wrote a letter to John Jay objecting to his reasons for rejecting slaves and free blacks as soldiers.

"Their natural faculties are probably as good as ours," Hamilton wrote.

I'm convinced.

No white man could hold these views.

8 posted on 07/23/2004 2:15:57 PM PDT by sphinx
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To: Coleus

for later


9 posted on 07/23/2004 2:16:04 PM PDT by jern
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To: the Real fifi

He would be Jewish if his mother was.


10 posted on 07/23/2004 2:16:51 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Coleus

He's not black. He'd have african ancestry in the same way that I do. Whatever. I love historical revisionism.


11 posted on 07/23/2004 2:18:13 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: annyokie

Heheheh. Funny you should mention that. There also is a group who is convinced that Beethoven was gay, too!


12 posted on 07/23/2004 2:18:24 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: EggsAckley

But it would be a good idea to pin it down for sure to expand our knowledge of colonial history... and to reinforce in African-Americans a sense of "belonging" beyond their slave history.

** :SIGH:


13 posted on 07/23/2004 2:21:37 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Coleus

Okay

So there goes replacing Hamilton with Ronald Reagan on the $10.

Freepers, what now? Shoot for the $20?


14 posted on 07/23/2004 2:23:37 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: cyborg

Yup. Heheheh.


15 posted on 07/23/2004 2:24:32 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: Coleus
and to reinforce in African-Americans a sense of "belonging" beyond their slave history.

Hamilton (who is one of my heroes BTW) was often referred to as a mulatto. I'm surprised this author doesn't mention that. I can see the benefit to the black community, but I'm squeamish about digging up long-dead founding fathers. (Whose portraits notoriously did not resemble their likenesses.)

No pun intended, but such a fad could create many cans of worms.

16 posted on 07/23/2004 2:25:36 PM PDT by GVnana (Tagline? I don't need no stinkin' tagline!)
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To: Coleus
"From the time he started to become politically controversial, reports started to occur in the press that he was Creole," Chernow says.

As I understand it, the idea that the word "creole" means a person of partial black ancestry is pretty recent. (I remember reading an article about a dating service that felt it had to tell its southern users that "creole" and "cajun" in personal ads were taken by nonsouthern users to mean part black-think that article was on FR.) In the 18th century , 'creole' meant a colonial of mixed Spanish and/or French ancestry-not African. Some creoles would indeed be part African or part Indian as well as French or Spanish ...but the word did not automatically mean part African, as the writer seems to believe. Napoleon referred to his first empress Josephine as "my little creole", and he didn't mean she was what he would have called a "Negroe" (preffered 18th century spelling.) So maybe Hamilton was part-black, maybe not-but references to his "creole" ancestry aren't proof.

17 posted on 07/23/2004 2:26:26 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: Coleus

With stories like these, I'm reminded of the old Cold War claim that any great invention was done first by the Russians. I like ancient Roman and Egyptian culture - does that mean I have to have some Italian or Egyptian in my ancestry to appreciate it? (this would be news to all those solid Germans in my background - though there's probably some Roman back there from the old Empire days, come to think of it)


18 posted on 07/23/2004 2:27:09 PM PDT by Moonmad27 (Vote for GWB in November - we MUST win.)
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To: Coleus
This was an acusation made by political oponents during his lifetime.

The charge may come from a confusion of the meaning of the term 'Creole'.
It has sometimes been used to indicate an Expat, generally in the Caribean. Josephine Beauharnais, Napoleon's wife, is refered to as a 'Creole' meaning her father was a planter in the Caribean and she was born there.
Sometimes the term is used here to indicate a 'High Yellow' mixed breed, such as an octaroon.

We will never know.

So9

19 posted on 07/23/2004 2:27:50 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Coleus
George Hamilton isn't black, but he's trying...


20 posted on 07/23/2004 2:27:53 PM PDT by socal_parrot (Play that funky music white boy!)
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To: Moonmad27

People should just appreciate American history for what it is, instead of grasping at straws and self esteem builders. Living in the US with the wealth of available information should be esteem enough.


21 posted on 07/23/2004 2:28:53 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: the Real fifi

her first husband was jewish, and it is believed that she was as well. Since his mother never divorced her first husband in the Church, the Anglican church viewed her as still married and Alexander as a basteradr. He there for was unable to attend the anglican school on Nevis, the caribean island he was born on, so he attended a school in a synagoge on Nevis as a child, but he himself had no other known affiliation with judism

The question of Alexander Hamilton's relationship to Judaism is a fascinating one, probably doomed to be forever mysterious. His mother, Rachel Fawcett (sometimes spelled "Faucett") Lavien (sometimes spelled "Lavine" or even "Levine") may have been Jewish herself, from a Danish-Jewish mercantile family. It is fairly certain that her first husband, John Michal Lavien (or Lavine or Levine), was Jewish, probably originally from Copenhagen, Denmark. After her separation from her husband John, Rachel lived out of wedlock with a Scotsman, James Hamilton, in Nevis and gave birth to Alexander. Alexander was enrolled in a private Jewish school on Nevis taught by a Jewish headmistress and "became fluent in Hebrew and French." "His teacher liked to stand him on a table and have him recite the Decalogue in Hebrew." Rachel and her son Alexander moved to the island of St. Croix after the Jewish headmistress left the school in Nevis, and some historians state that a Jewish tutor was specifically engaged for Alexander on St. Croix "prior to his thirteenth birthday." This sounds suiously like a Jewish lad being tutored for his Bar Mitzvah. After his mother died when he was in his early teens, Alexander became a store clerk on St. Croix. His extraordinary intellect was recognized, and he was sponsored to further his education in the American colonies by several leading men of St. Croix (including a local Protestant minister, whose theology was distinctly non-Calvinist - parts of which may have rubbed off on the young Alexander). The rest is well-known history - his education at Kings College (now Columbia University) in New York, his service in the American Revolution, his work on the writing and adoption of the U.S. Constitution, his creation of the American banking and monetary system, his service as Secretary of the Treasury, and - in general - his towering role as one of the Founding Fathers of the American Republic. How much of his Jewishness lingered into his later life is not clear. He married a Cristian, and his children were all raised as Christians. But on his deathbed, he was specifically refused Christian rites, perhaps because he was a Jew by birth. And, curiously, he is known to have often boasted to George Washington and Benjamin Franklin that he knew a fair amount of Hebrew, and could (even late in life) still flawlessly recite the Decalogue in Hebrew. Benjamin Franklin - having been born and educated in the still heavily Puritan-influenced Boston - also knew some Hebrew, and some historians state that Hamilton and Franklin sometimes tried to best each other in their knowledge of that language. Hamilton and Judaism? A curous and mysterious business. Probably never to be fully resolved. http://classicals.com/federalist/TheFoundingFathershall/messages/69.html


I think this was also in a recent National Geographic or Smithsonian Magazine,


22 posted on 07/23/2004 2:31:27 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: D Rider
"tri-racial isolate" can be applied to several other interesting early populations, not just to your basic Indian/African/Norse deals.

One of the earliest settlements in York (Yoik) Pennsylvania consisted of Smolt Saami from Pechenga Piek (Pike's Peak) which is now within the Russian borders, just West of Murmansk.

When the border was drawn in the early 1820s almost all of them hopped on their tiny fishing boats and fled to their American colony thereby boosting the (our) local population's numbers substantially. There was also a drought with famine in 1810-1813 in the area, and that served to precipitate Saami evacuation to more Southerly areas within Scandinavia and the Baltics.

These are the Saami who really don't look all that much like the Norse who populate most of the rest of Europe.

I've found many frontier Midwestern records where your basic Smolt/Scots/Iriquois or Susquehanna blend folk were identified by locals as "colored". No doubt this would get any particular family so identified the appellation "tri-racial isolate" by the ethnologists. Toss in a bit of Romany or Traveler, and you have Bill Clinton's people.

Odds are Heather is part of this early clan.

23 posted on 07/23/2004 2:34:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kaylar

In most dictionaries, the first definition of "creole" is something along the lines of "a person of European descent, esp. French or Spanish, born in Central or South America, the West Indies, or the United States Gulf region."

The definition involving mixed race ancestry is usually 4th or 5th.


24 posted on 07/23/2004 2:35:04 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Coleus
Knowing if it's true [that Hamilton's black] would help explain why Hamilton and John Jay worked on legal strategies after the Revolution to keep former slaves and freedmen from being snatched back into slavery.

Yes, because everyone knows that every white man at the time was a racist and would never go out of his way to help a black man.

25 posted on 07/23/2004 2:42:14 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Restorer

Exactly! But to many today-like, I believe, the author-the terms are hopelessly confused with the obsolete mulatto/quadroon/octoroon/marinkey racial classifications. (For that matter, most people think 'creole' and 'cajun' are synonymous terms-not quite, though I suppose for culinary purposes that's become true.)


26 posted on 07/23/2004 2:43:36 PM PDT by kaylar
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To: kaylar
So maybe Hamilton was part-black, maybe not-but references to his "creole" ancestry aren't proof.

I noticed that in the article as well.

Creole and Cajun has more to do with French ancestry than African.

27 posted on 07/23/2004 2:44:00 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Freedom is NEVER negotiable!)
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To: Coleus

I am descended from Hamilton. Ugh. I am going to be keeping an eye on this story. Thanks for posting it!


28 posted on 07/23/2004 2:58:52 PM PDT by jojodamofo
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To: Coleus

This whole talk is racist. Other than for historical accuracy, I could not care less WHAT racial mix the founding fathers were. It is irrelevant IMHO.


29 posted on 07/23/2004 3:33:40 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: LadyPilgrim
Freepers, what now? Shoot for the $20?

Yes, I have always wanted Jackson off the $20. I absolutely positively despise the man.

Put Reagan on there. It would make my trip to the ATM much more pleasant. And annoy the liberals to death.

30 posted on 07/23/2004 3:41:30 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( RKBA "Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew" Ense et aratro! A bear of many talents...)
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To: Coleus

Was Hamilton a good dancer? That's a dead giveaway. Not many white guys like to dance. From his portrait there I'd have to say yes.


31 posted on 07/23/2004 3:42:52 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: EggsAckley
He sure doesn't look black to me.

You'd be surprised. It depends on how far back you have to go to get to his nearest pure-African ancestor.

My family is all blue-eyed blonds and brunettes, but imagine our surprise when genealogical study showed the only man on a Rhode Island census of 1774 with the same name as my great-great-great-great-grandfather, Valentine Brown, was listed as 'colored'.

We knew he was born in Rhode Island in 1755 and served as a Revolutionary War soldier in an unknown Rhode Island regiment-- but he turned up in Saratoga, New York, after the war, and we know this is the site at which one of the Negro regiments from Rhode Island was demobilized after the war.

We had always wondered about this man, as centuries of family tradition held that he was part of the well-known Brown family of Rhode Island, and yet we could find out nothing about his parents. This is the same family that started Brown University, and its members for many generations have been well-documented genealogically. They were also major slave traders, running the triangle route-- rum was traded to Africans for slaves, the slaves were traded for molasses in the Caribbean, and the molasses was used to make more rum in Providence.

In Saratoga, he married a young widow with children, and ever since then, their descendants have passed for white and never considered themselves anything else. I have pictures of this man's grandson and great-grandson (my great-grandfather and great-great-grandfather) from the late 1800s. They show men of Mediterranean appearance, with dark curly hair and dark eyes, but otherwise clearly Caucasian.

Our conjecture is that old Valentine was one-half or one-quarter African blood, probably the illegitimate son of a scion of the Brown family who forced himself on a slave girl. In Saratoga, which was on the fringes of civilization in those days, few would have noticed or cared if he took up with a white widow with hungry children and few options. Such situations were more common than we think, and in the 1700s in the North, there was not the same social stigma and prejudice as in the South.

It's hard to prove such things conclusively at a distance of two hundred and fifty years, but it is certainly plausible and likely. A hundred or even fifty years ago, it would have caused my ancestors considerable consternation if this were widely known, but in today's world it is just a mild curiosity, another thread in the great American tapestry.

-ccm

32 posted on 07/23/2004 3:43:42 PM PDT by ccmay
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I agree with you.

I wanted him on the $20 anyway!

It would tickle me to see him on the paper money.

I don't want RR to be on the change I throw in the piggy bank!


33 posted on 07/23/2004 3:47:25 PM PDT by LadyPilgrim (Sealed my pardon with His blood, Hallelujah!!! What a Savior!!!)
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To: ccmay

Does this make you eligible for minority entitlements??

Just kidding. You're right, after generations of being watered down, a certain racial look can easily begin to fade.


34 posted on 07/23/2004 3:49:15 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: Coleus

Another Famous Black American

35 posted on 07/23/2004 3:51:53 PM PDT by eleni121 (John Ashcroft: on the job and doing a great one!)
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To: Coleus
If nothing else, Hamilton's rise to power and prominence from beginnings that could only be described as Dickensian, is a lesson in overcoming adversity.

More likely it is a testament of his genius. He had extraordinary talents and used them to propell himself.

It should be no strange thing that a man who grew up around blacks in a different setting and observed their abilities would be able to argue for other blacks in a different setting.

36 posted on 07/23/2004 3:53:03 PM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Coleus

This is just silliness. Hamilton's mother was involved in an irregular relationship, mostly because under the law at the time she couldn't divorce her actual husband, who had abandoned her. She was the daughter of a French Huguenot doctor, anyhow, and neither black nor Jewish. Both her father and mother are accounted for . . . and the idea that she would have been acknowledged as a legitimate child in 18th century Nevis if she had been black is just not reasonable. If it had been a French island, possibly . . . but not on a British island.


37 posted on 07/23/2004 4:08:21 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: MamaTexan
Creole and Cajun has more to do with French ancestry than African.

"Creole" is French direct from France. "Cajun" is French by way of Acadia in Canada. Acadian = 'Cadian = Cajun.

38 posted on 07/23/2004 4:10:35 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: kaylar
For that matter, most people think 'creole' and 'cajun' are synonymous terms-not quite, though I suppose for culinary purposes that's become true.

Some time I gotta sit yo' down an' 'splain the difference between gumbo and boeuf bourgignon . . . and between a fais-do-do and a balle masque . . . ;-)

39 posted on 07/23/2004 4:13:04 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: EggsAckley

He doesn't look black to me either --- but any black ancestry is considered to make someone black and I know a black woman who looks black -- she was married to a white guy and had half-white black kids and they married white girls --- the woman's grandchildren look white --- but under traditional rules of who is black, they'd be considered black. Of course those traditional rules are kind of silly.


40 posted on 07/23/2004 4:22:35 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

Is that what WC Fields used to call "an Ethiopian in the fuel supply?"


41 posted on 07/23/2004 4:24:47 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: searchandrecovery
Was Hamilton a good dancer? That's a dead giveaway.

LOL!!!

42 posted on 07/23/2004 4:24:56 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

outdated slave notions kept alive by liberals and people with agendas


43 posted on 07/23/2004 4:25:48 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: EggsAckley

Maybe --- I also know Indians aka Native Americans who look as white as any white does --- blue eyes and blond hair --- but were Indian enough to get money from the government for being Indian. It's funny how in some families the phenotype can be so completely different between the siblings. There is a set of twins here where the little boy is very "hispanic" or Mexican looking but his twin sister is very fair and "anglo" or European looking.


44 posted on 07/23/2004 4:28:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: sphinx
No white man could hold these views.

Best poetic sarcasm. Hats off.

45 posted on 07/23/2004 4:34:42 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: cyborg

I don't know who is to blame --- I think sometimes blacks themselves keep that idea going --- if you have a single black ancestor among 15 non-blacks, I think you're supposed to call yourself African American or you're guilty of something like not accepting your roots.


46 posted on 07/23/2004 4:35:30 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: EggsAckley

Everyone with a legitimate claim to a black ancestor should self-identify as "black" when dealing with colleges and the government. The best way to beat the racist notion of affirmative action is to show that it is rooted in a racist desire to put everyone in a racial box, just as the Nazis did.


47 posted on 07/23/2004 4:37:42 PM PDT by maro
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To: Coleus

With the ancestry of many Americans going back to Colonial days...the majority of us probably have African blood. So? Maybe I can get reparations when they come due. ;) (My family has been here since 1640-Martha's Vineyard, maybe I can get Teddy to give the land back)

I do so wish that blacks would stop trying to change the ancestry of people to suit their agendas.


48 posted on 07/23/2004 4:40:14 PM PDT by madison10
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To: D Rider; Coleus

Man, that is fascinating about Heather Locklear. She is my fave blonde bimbo. I have a lot of good feelings about Heather, I'm quite sure she is very professional in her dealings, I'm sure she shows up on time, knows her lines and her blocking and just in general seems to be a nice woman. I'm convinced that's why she gets so much work.

And Coleus, very interesting post about Al Hamilton, my fave founding father. Although I can sympathize with the author's curiosity I don't think Mr. Hamilton's bones should be disturbed to settle such a trivial question.

My fave founding father and my fave blonde bimbo on the same thread! Is this the best place in cyberspace, or what?


49 posted on 07/23/2004 4:48:23 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: FITZ

pretty much...when I was in school, I used to have black students tell me I have to embrace my black roots. I said I do, I embrace them with Loreal Honey Brown hair coloring :)


50 posted on 07/23/2004 4:51:07 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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