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No Big Deal if G.W. Bush Loses the Election to Kerry
self ^ | 7/23/04 | self

Posted on 07/23/2004 2:23:41 PM PDT by beyond the sea

Sorry about the title folks, I thought that would get some attention.

I was on a thread this morning: RICH: 'MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE' MORE PARTISAN THAN 'FAHRENHEIT 911'. It explained that this movie being brought out by the lefty/socialist/Democrat Hollywood may have even a greater negative influence on the election than Moore's pile of lies.

It is obvious to all of us that this effort to beat our President George Bush and ruin the direction of conservatism by the lefty institutions in this country has never been so diligent and so focused. The mainstream news media has become so blatantly left leaning that nearly every day I really have the impulse to strangle one (or more) of them.

Last night for example Chrissie 'Softball' Matthews had the arrogance and hutzpah to shove that famous and sleazy bricklayer, Jamie Gorelick, in our faces immediately after the 9/11 Report came out. Each day now we can see the relentless effort of the mainstream liars to ignore Sandy Berger's disgusting and unforgivable thefts!

All of us are alarmed at the power of the influential media on most voters, I am very worried. I am worried because most Americans are too busy, too disinterested, or just too damn ignorant to get to know the truth of real news events. So there is a genuine fear that the media and the other lefty influential institutions will be successful in winning this election for the lowly opportunist, John Kerry.

But, here may be how we can win this election with honesty and hard work. We will have to go around the media. It will take all our efforts, each day until November. Each of us has to do this. See what you think.

This is what I wrote on that thread this morning

The brainwashing by the media/entertainment business is never-ending. I don't believe the American people are smart or interested enough to see through it. Bush and the country are in deep trouble. But I think I have a way to win this election, but I must go work now. I'll start a thread later on this. Let me just say this now.

I ran into a landscaper Monday who buys my plant products. We started talking about the election. I started the conversation. He's a smart enough guy, but he's got that "Bush is in the pocket of big business, Republicans are evil" bull in his head. But I persisted. I asked him what he was interested in. He mentioned "a fear of bombings" in our country. I brought up OKC! Then I asked him to look up Jayna Davis on his computer. He was a somewhat curious guy so he said he would. He drove away, and yesterday he called me back and was amazed at what he learned (about OKC). To make a long story short, this guy was a sure Dem. voter in November, he had said so, now he's amazed at what he's learning and had never known. He's asking for more to see. I turned him onto Kerry's activities with VVAW. He's now seriously thinking of voting for Bush. He hates commies. Now he's beginning to realize the commie is Kerry.

ALL of us must find those 'on the fence voters' who we know, find their interests, then give them something to look up and learn about THAT interest.

It works, and if we want to have a chance to beat this sick media/entertainment onslaught, we must individually find these people and make an effort to influence them before November.

It works, but we all have to do it..... or we lose.


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1 posted on 07/23/2004 2:23:45 PM PDT by beyond the sea
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To: bjcintennessee; PhilDragoo; Kitty Mittens; Nita Nupress; NonValueAdded; Mia T; writer33

ping


2 posted on 07/23/2004 2:25:01 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea

Get a grip..


3 posted on 07/23/2004 2:25:35 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Its noteworthy that the two biggest shills for the left are Michael Moore and Al Franken..)
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To: beyond the sea

4 posted on 07/23/2004 2:27:05 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: beyond the sea
except Jayna Davis is close to being the right's equivalent of Michael Moore with respect to proveability of her suspicions and allegations - better to keep the debate on the straight & narrow, the proveable & the true.

Remember Evan Thomas, editor of Newsweek, openly brags that 10%-15% of Kerry's approval ratings are due to the media's eforts.

5 posted on 07/23/2004 2:27:59 PM PDT by Steven W.
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To: beyond the sea
So, what about all this actually surprises you my friend? The Great United Socialist States of Soviet Amerika is coming to you real soon if head socialist commissar Flip Kerry wins. Count on it. Total socialism as the week spined republicans in congress will cave in as they always do, leaving all of us in flyover country to fight a guerrilla war.
6 posted on 07/23/2004 2:28:09 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ( I am a Vietnam Vet. I have been accused of war crimes by the ADMITTED WAR CRIMINAL Kerry)
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To: beyond the sea

Boy, your title dragged ME in quickly! LOL!

I've converted a couple of friends; just don't get out and see people that much. Keep it up.


7 posted on 07/23/2004 2:28:21 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: cardinal4

Geez..around here it seems like no one has ever experienced a presidential election with its ups and downs in the polls.


8 posted on 07/23/2004 2:28:28 PM PDT by kaktuskid
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To: kaktuskid

And .....around here it seems like SOME Freepers don't really read the threads........LOL!


9 posted on 07/23/2004 2:29:51 PM PDT by EggsAckley (You can't be pro small business and pro trial lawyer at the same time! ** George W. Bush **)
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To: cardinal4

read


10 posted on 07/23/2004 2:30:08 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea

I am worried because most Americans are too busy, too disinterested, or just too damn ignorant to get to know the truth of real news events.



Yep I think you nailed it to the wall with that statement about your fellow Americans...... Gosh how do you stand them?


11 posted on 07/23/2004 2:32:16 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: beyond the sea

I totally agree with the fact that the left media and Hollywood is brainwashing the American public. I hear young people all the time telling me 911 Farehneit has convinced them who to vote for.


They have no clue about conservative issues and the damage the left can do. Anything anyone can do to enlighten the masses is a good idea. Keep doing whatever works.


12 posted on 07/23/2004 2:32:22 PM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: RetiredArmy

Kerry is too much of a wuss to do anything of the sort.

His administration would be a rerun of Carter, and would probably produce the same effect on voters.


13 posted on 07/23/2004 2:32:37 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: RetiredArmy
Total socialism as the week spined republicans in congress will cave in as they always do, leaving all of us in flyover country to fight a guerrilla war.

I hear you! That's why I had to write this and give it one more try. I find that most people who you would consider to be relatively intelligent still don't know much of what really is going on. The socialists are on the move, and anyone who thinks that we won the Cold War are not correct.

The socialists own and operate most of the media and nearly all the schools. That's how they are winning.... the schools and the media. Oh.. and the judges.

14 posted on 07/23/2004 2:34:17 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: EggsAckley

:-) ....... right!


15 posted on 07/23/2004 2:35:19 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: Steven W.

I don't know much about Jayna Davis, but she did a talk show here on So. California recently, and made one key statement that caused me to doubt her credibility.

A caller asked her about the role Elohim City's residents/visitors/etc. may have played in the OKC bombing.

She said (paraphrasing): "In years of interviewing on this I have been unable to find anything to connect Timothy McVeigh to Elohim City."

I thought that was odd since part of the evidence collection included phone calls almost certainly from McVeigh to Elohim City, right?

While those calls may prove nothing, her denial of any connection caused me concern -- as if no information which may cast doubt on her focus on Iraq & a trip to the Philippines was considered.

All that said, I could be mistaken and/or she could have misspoken.


16 posted on 07/23/2004 2:36:39 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: deport
Gosh how do you stand them?

I must stand them. I'll quit after November. I'm getting too old for this heavy war. I'll fight for G.W. through November 2nd, or longer if Kerry pulls a GORE!

17 posted on 07/23/2004 2:38:05 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea
Most of the disinterested people wouldn't have known The Manchurian Candidate had anything to do with the defeat of President Bush. This movie is actually a remake of a movie of the same title and plotline that dates back to 1962.
18 posted on 07/23/2004 2:38:26 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
This movie is actually a remake of a movie of the same title and plotline that dates back to 1962.

This movie has a very different plot line. Check it out.

19 posted on 07/23/2004 2:40:53 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: RetiredArmy

...or band together and save ourselves and our country after the next 9/11 destroys the populated (ie. blue) areas.


20 posted on 07/23/2004 2:40:53 PM PDT by Prov3456
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To: beyond the sea
Check it out.

Nah, I wasn't going to see it in the first place after I saw Meryl Creep was in it, she's about as entertaining to me as Susan Sarandumb bleating alongside her idiotic husband Tim Robbins who fakes an English accent as bad as Madonna does.

21 posted on 07/23/2004 2:47:58 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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To: kaktuskid

We're doomed doomed doomed. ; )


22 posted on 07/23/2004 2:48:19 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

We're doomed doomed doomed. ; )

I'm Stuned! I tell you!

We're Domed, Domed, Domed!


23 posted on 07/23/2004 2:51:02 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RetiredArmy; beyond the sea
Hey Army, thank you for you service to our country and your sacrifice as well.

This is still July. There are probably at least a half dozen more liberal-anti-Bush movies coming out before November. Who knows how many Bush-bashing books? Even though all the books so far (Wilson and Clarke) have proven to be full of lies and hypocrisy...CBS 60 Minutes I & II will not retract nor make corrections, but will schedule the next Bush-bashing author as soon as his/her book is published, and add to that all the morning programs of ABC, CBS & NBC. I'm sure Oprah will have on Michael Moore before November as well as the cast of this new movie Manchurian Candidate and the other Bush-bashing movies. Oprah can influence a major portion of the women of all types and colors all over this country.

As for weak spined republicans in the Congress, it will only get worse. The reason, who would want to run for office? If you are conservative, the press will ruin your life, so it's just not worth it. Example: Jack Ryan. Mike Ditka knew better. Poor Illinois will have a liberal, left-winger probably run un-opposed. After Jack Ryan, whould would be fool enough to run?

Between the socialists and the Islamics making steady strides, flyover country had better prepare to defend their own.

24 posted on 07/23/2004 2:51:02 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("Only one life to live and soon it is past, and only what was done for Jesus Christ shall last")
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Please tell me why I should give a good heap of feces what those folks, do or think??


25 posted on 07/23/2004 2:51:06 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (War Veterans Speak out at www.RealHeroesVoices.com)
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To: RetiredArmy

Sad but True. It will not take us long from going from the Socialist States of America to the People's Republic of America. Republican party will be outlawed or de-fanged and free speech will be re-termed hate speech. Well, at least we will have health care (as long as you wait in line) and the streets will be safe as the only real criminals will be in government. Americans will be feeing to Baghdad to find Religious and Political freedom. Lets hope that day never comes! Vote Bush--Vote Freedom


26 posted on 07/23/2004 2:51:12 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: beyond the sea

Roger that. 10-4. I concur completely. Socialism coming to your neighborhood as early as mid-November 2004.


27 posted on 07/23/2004 2:54:46 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ( I am a Vietnam Vet. I have been accused of war crimes by the ADMITTED WAR CRIMINAL Kerry)
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To: beyond the sea

Why is it so difficult for people to believe that this country is under siege by an organzied, popular and powerful group who wants this nation to become socialistic? There has been a promise and threat of government infiltration by the Communists for years. It began with Roosevelt being a Communist sympathizer. Then Hollywood was infiltrated to control our information. It escalated in the 60's to control our youth who are now at the age that many of them are in our government. They have erroded our morality through abortion, education, drugs and sex. They have no shame in their agenda, they tell us what they want we just don't listen because they call themselves Americans instead of Communists. Bill and Hillary Clinton were a practice run, just to see how far we could be pushed, and we know those results. Kerry is the real deal. When a politican is telling you that he wants the UN to control our military, or that she may need to take your money away for the better good we should wake up. Kerry wants a "New America" and Edwards is condemning "two Americas." We better ask them how they spell AMERICA.


28 posted on 07/23/2004 2:54:58 PM PDT by Toespi (,)
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To: beyond the sea

It's "chutzpah."


29 posted on 07/23/2004 2:55:06 PM PDT by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Geist Krieger

You got that right. Each payday, I hold back monies to purchase bullets and make a few gun purchases. I have several pistols, rifles, shotguns, and am currently looking for a used M-1 Abrams tank if anyone might have one extra out there they are willing to sell.


30 posted on 07/23/2004 2:57:08 PM PDT by RetiredArmy ( I am a Vietnam Vet. I have been accused of war crimes by the ADMITTED WAR CRIMINAL Kerry)
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To: Steven W.
I haven't reviewed much of Davis' information, but I I do know that Richard Clarke finally admitted in his book that Terry Nichols was in the Phillipines at the same time some of the top Muslim terrorists were, and that he suspected a connection.

At some point in time, we'll find the truth, and I suspect I know where it will lead.

31 posted on 07/23/2004 2:58:11 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men are ready to do violence on our behalf)
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To: tet68

Yep. Yall got a dome and it drives the Birmingham nanny gubmint crazy. They want to build a doom with taxes. It will be every bit as successful as the Visionland theme park they built and had to sell is.

I can see the signs now. "Welcome to Birmingham, Home of the Domed Flea Market.

If it was gonna pay for itself, private firms would be fighting to build it.

Sheesh.


32 posted on 07/23/2004 3:01:10 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (They are where you least expect. Look around and you'll see them too.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
This remake of the Manchurian Candidate is nothing more than Marxist/Hollywood attempt at destroying capitalism - capitalism as villain. The "brainwashers" change from Chicoms to the evil international "Manchurian Global Corporation".

"The ACLU, NOW, NAACP were all founded by members of the communist party USA, and Hollywood's history of ties to communists go back to the 1930's." -- eloopd1959

33 posted on 07/23/2004 3:01:42 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Susan Sarandumb --

She sure plays a good slut, eh? ;-)

34 posted on 07/23/2004 3:03:00 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: Geist Krieger
Between the socialists and the Islamics making steady strides, flyover country had better prepare to defend their own.

You said it. Tough times ahead. Get your tuna and ammo.

35 posted on 07/23/2004 3:05:34 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea
No Big Deal if G.W. Bush Loses the Election to Kerry

because with his dedication to everything French and UN, it will just be a matter of time until he becomes the next president impeached.

36 posted on 07/23/2004 3:07:33 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: Hollywoodghost
and the streets will be safe as the only real criminals will be in government.

LOL ....... I think. They're all gutless wonders in the GOVERNMENT now. We'll know for sure about the gutlessness if Sandy Berger skates.

37 posted on 07/23/2004 3:08:41 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: Hollywoodghost

Look, regarding the influence of the media, I think you have to give folks more credit. Remember back in 1972, the liberal had all of the media - and Nixon won in a landslide.

Look at yourself. Has the barrage of anti-Bush media changed your mind about who to vote for? Of course not. In fact, Republicans are more loyal toward Bush than Democrats are with Kerry.

I think most people vote for the candidate who best reflects their values, and lifestyles A person born and raised in Omaha is not going to see the world the same way a Manhattanite will.

The remaining independents might be swayed by the media. But I suspect that the debates will have as great an effect on them as anything else. When all else fails, voters want to like the candidate they choose - as a person. John F. Kerry does not strike me as a likable guy.

But I applaud the efforts of those who are trying to change minds, and wish you luck. I'm doing the same. By all means friends, get out there and VOTE for W.


38 posted on 07/23/2004 3:12:48 PM PDT by GeorgiaMike
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To: beyond the sea

Thank you for posting this as a thread, Beyond the Sea! Everyone needs to see this, and realize that some people can be reached and educated into changing their minds! Good work, my friend!


39 posted on 07/23/2004 3:12:54 PM PDT by Kitty Mittens
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To: Toespi; RetiredArmy; Hollywoodghost; Geist Krieger; Prov3456; Mia T
You said it oh so well.

I'd hate to be young at this point in this country's history. It is astonishing how much the character of the average person has diminished by the efforts of the people you mentioned. And the worst thing is, the people are fat, they have their TV, their porn, their movies, and all sorts of other diversions.... so there are no revolts or revolutions in the future to cleanse the place.

Just a slow rotten death of the beautiful creation for which the Founding Fathers sacrificed.

40 posted on 07/23/2004 3:17:31 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: Toespi
When a politican is telling you that he wants the UN to control our military, or that she may need to take your money away for the better good we should wake up

I agree but....... "wake up" and DO WHAT? What can be done?

41 posted on 07/23/2004 3:19:22 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea
Here's some more Ammunition.

A nice Link to Kerry's Voting Record.

http://www.kerryquotes.com/votingrecord.htm

42 posted on 07/23/2004 3:21:07 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (Dox N Sox)
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To: Richard Kimball; Steven W.
At some point in time, we'll find the truth

When? When Arlen Sphincter tells us who killed JFK? ;-)

43 posted on 07/23/2004 3:21:48 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea

I can't believe no one has yet suggested "turn him on to FreeRepublic" so ... turn him on to Free Republic! As Rush says on many occasions, the media is what it is and Hollywood is what it is - we can change neither. But if you shine the light of truth on what is being said, you can make a difference as you have now experienced first-hand.


44 posted on 07/23/2004 3:23:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: GeorgiaMike

I still have hope that the people of America will pull out of this hynotic state and reform the Government. I hope that when this happens--not too many lives will be lost. I see hope in the south where people don't roll over for Political Correctness or liberal Speak. I find home in the leathery cowboys of the west who are not convinced of things put into 30 second TV spots. I find hope with the Young People who see through the propaganda fed to them each day by the media and thier Teachers. No, there is cause to find hope even in these desperate times. All we really need is a leader--another Reagan, and the forces of Freedom will once again point the way to greatness.


45 posted on 07/23/2004 3:27:58 PM PDT by Hollywoodghost (Let he who would be free strike the first blow)
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To: GeorgiaMike
The remaining independents might be swayed by the media

You know what's odd... you know how Leno and Letterman, etc., make jokes in their monologues of a political nature.... mostly against Bush? Anyhow, I heard this morning that NONE of the late night talk shows have even bothered to tell a joke about Sandy Berger and his escapades. Bergers stuffed pants and socks is PERFECT material for a comedy bit. I don't know if it is true, but if it is that really means that things are bad. "Don't touch the Berger thing, it will make the Dems look bad."

46 posted on 07/23/2004 3:29:05 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: beyond the sea

Concerning the movie the MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE: Those on the Left, e.g., Frank Rich, the maker of the film, Liz Smith, are all trying to spin the movie as anti-President Bush. Actually, and most likely not intended, Streep is spot on as Hillary Clinton in her performance as the female senator. In fact, Streep now says (see Smith's gossip column) she based her role on Karen Hughes and Peggy Noonan. Too late, Streep. The damage has been done. See the movie and see who Streep resembles. It's Hillary to a tee. Also, the young and dynamic vice presidential candidate looks a lot more like John Edwards than Dick Cheney.


47 posted on 07/23/2004 3:30:05 PM PDT by Pharlap
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To: beyond the sea

Little spittle chrissie doesn't shove anyone in our faces cause we dont' watch him.


48 posted on 07/23/2004 3:32:58 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush...he will prevail in spite of the naysayers)
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To: agincourt1415

Thanks. I have also found that the "Swift Boat Vets" story is very effective at changing minds. It is astonishing to find out the percentage of citizens who know NOTHING of the way his fellow soldiers feel about him - "not fit to command". When I have shown this to some folks their ears perked up.


49 posted on 07/23/2004 3:33:37 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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To: Pharlap

You're right about Streep's act. But check out post # 33. The not-so-subliminal message of the movie is "corporation and capitalism as villain".


50 posted on 07/23/2004 3:39:09 PM PDT by beyond the sea (There's always one to turn and walk away ........ and one who just wants to stay)
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