Skip to comments.No Big Deal if G.W. Bush Loses the Election to Kerry
Posted on 07/23/2004 2:23:41 PM PDT by beyond the sea
Sorry about the title folks, I thought that would get some attention.
I was on a thread this morning: RICH: 'MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE' MORE PARTISAN THAN 'FAHRENHEIT 911'. It explained that this movie being brought out by the lefty/socialist/Democrat Hollywood may have even a greater negative influence on the election than Moore's pile of lies.
It is obvious to all of us that this effort to beat our President George Bush and ruin the direction of conservatism by the lefty institutions in this country has never been so diligent and so focused. The mainstream news media has become so blatantly left leaning that nearly every day I really have the impulse to strangle one (or more) of them.
Last night for example Chrissie 'Softball' Matthews had the arrogance and hutzpah to shove that famous and sleazy bricklayer, Jamie Gorelick, in our faces immediately after the 9/11 Report came out. Each day now we can see the relentless effort of the mainstream liars to ignore Sandy Berger's disgusting and unforgivable thefts!
All of us are alarmed at the power of the influential media on most voters, I am very worried. I am worried because most Americans are too busy, too disinterested, or just too damn ignorant to get to know the truth of real news events. So there is a genuine fear that the media and the other lefty influential institutions will be successful in winning this election for the lowly opportunist, John Kerry.
But, here may be how we can win this election with honesty and hard work. We will have to go around the media. It will take all our efforts, each day until November. Each of us has to do this. See what you think.
This is what I wrote on that thread this morning
The brainwashing by the media/entertainment business is never-ending. I don't believe the American people are smart or interested enough to see through it. Bush and the country are in deep trouble. But I think I have a way to win this election, but I must go work now. I'll start a thread later on this. Let me just say this now.
I ran into a landscaper Monday who buys my plant products. We started talking about the election. I started the conversation. He's a smart enough guy, but he's got that "Bush is in the pocket of big business, Republicans are evil" bull in his head. But I persisted. I asked him what he was interested in. He mentioned "a fear of bombings" in our country. I brought up OKC! Then I asked him to look up Jayna Davis on his computer. He was a somewhat curious guy so he said he would. He drove away, and yesterday he called me back and was amazed at what he learned (about OKC). To make a long story short, this guy was a sure Dem. voter in November, he had said so, now he's amazed at what he's learning and had never known. He's asking for more to see. I turned him onto Kerry's activities with VVAW. He's now seriously thinking of voting for Bush. He hates commies. Now he's beginning to realize the commie is Kerry.
ALL of us must find those 'on the fence voters' who we know, find their interests, then give them something to look up and learn about THAT interest.
It works, and if we want to have a chance to beat this sick media/entertainment onslaught, we must individually find these people and make an effort to influence them before November.
It works, but we all have to do it..... or we lose.
I hear you. I just was going to try to tolerate Matthews to see what he was going to say about the 9/11 report. As soon as I saw the ugy countenance of Jamie 'The Wall' Gorelick, I turned it OFF!
I did read it and I meant no offence. Barring W getting caught with kiddie porn on his computer, he will win in November.
LOL! Small chance, not with the very lovely Laura nearby.
A couple of months ago, here on FR, there was a week of, "Bush is no conservative, I voted for smaller govt!" and "He didnt close the borders!" and a whole host of threads and posts where we went back and forth about who was going to sit home, and who was going to hold their nose and vote for Bush. THOSE are the people to worry about. But in their defence, I havent seen much of that since Kerry became the "presumptive nominee.
It's good to hear your words.
Yeh, John-Jaquestrap Effin S.O.B Teresa Winthrop Simoes-Ferreira Al Qerry-Heinz III really brings out the best in us.
You forgot Jacques Al-Qerry! (Thats my favorite one)
Why is that my job?
Why not post this in a blog instead of under the NEWS?
We're all, most of us, grownups and can deal with most things including if our candidate is not successful and all the tragedy that may befall the country and the world as a result. All the same, we hope the voters are smart and choose to keep this excellent Administration.
You have something in common with Victor David Hanson at NRO Online. Look at this excerpt from today's column that is spot on:
"What does it all mean and where does it all lead? Roughly 20 percent of the public hates George Bush and wants us to leave Iraq no matter what the president says or does. These one in five Americans won't let up, and believe every lie of Michael Moore in the same way they insist Alger Hiss was innocent, Edward Said never invented his past, and Joe Wilson is a principled critic rather than a discredited impostor.
On the other hand, another 30-some percent [that would be us] is convinced that Iraq was absolutely necessary, that the war was conducted brilliantly, that George Bush is an unusually resolute wartime president, and that the media's gloom does not represent the true status of the reconstruction, which, tragedies and all, is working and already having powerful and positive effects on the region."
But the majority? The great 50 percent of the citizenry is fickle, without a consistent ideology. It wants success, but only if it is relatively painless, and thus is now in a dilemma as to what constitutes "painless."
So the United States, and indeed the world, is an audience at a great match of terrorism versus civilization. Our collective heads sway back and forth, now convinced that relative quiet is proof of our wisdom, now dejected that suicide bombs prove we were naïve, if not worse, in taking out Saddam. And we haven't even come to the summer's political conventions, the elections in Afghanistan, the Olympics, and our own November voting. Without historical perspective, thousands of pundits and politicians maneuver every 24-hours to "prove" that their shifting and contradictory positions, like millions of the American people's own rising and falling spirits, are in fact really consistent and principled. But mostly they are all just confused about Iraq and not sure whether we are emerging from a few skirmishes with a few weeks left to the armistice or firing away on Guadalcanal with three more years of mayhem to go. [these include the spine less republicans that Retired Army speaks of]
VERY FEW of the "Voting American Public" Believe ANYTHING They were told by the Clintons.
Hillary's Existence as a US Senator Persists due to "Voter Sentimentality."
Her Chances of being "President" are "NIL!"
Sure,BUT....they will all forget to register or don't even know how...
I think we're fine. W will be pouring it on here soon. And old CHENEY is a wiley fox that the opposition will never really figure out.
Good point. Once the blue areas are turned into smoking ruins by the terrorists, the terrorists are at the mercy of residents of the blue areas, who don't waste their mercy upon the merciless.
Like the guy said to his wife as he aimed his 44 Magnum at his head: "Don't laugh, you're next."
They're not alone. Most people have no idea what damage either party can do to one's liberty. That's the rub. We've yet to field candidates who will put individual liberties ahead of special interests, ahead of trial lawyers' interests, ahead of corporate interests, and ahead of UN interests.
Most of our elected senators and representatives sworn to protect and defend the constitution wouldn't recognize it if it were printed on congressional toilet paper.
Bush & company come closest to representing individuals via the Bill of Rights but still leave much to desire. Put another way, if you're a gay wanting to marry, your chances of getting a fair hearing far exceed that of the sorry b*stard carrying concealed on his way to work with a tail-light out.
I agree but....... "wake up" and DO WHAT? What can be done?
First of all we have to quit calling them innocent names like liberals or leftists. I call them what they are Socialists and in some cases Communists. As an example, Michael Moore, for one, is an outspoken radical Communist. His long term goal and purpose is to disrupt our Democracy, romanticize Socialism and confuse the population with lies. He is working with a well organized and financed group that has thrived in Hollywood ever since McCarthy was silenced. He should be charged with, and convicted of treason and we as citizens should not be ashamed to ask for it. I assure you that the younger generation has learned more from Michael Moore than they have their socialist educated teachers. Our children are basically illiterate when it comes to American History or the Constitution and it is intentional. We must be vigilant within our own families, not afraid to speak out, be well informed and start putting patriotism first. It has to be a priority or all is lost.
They have their politicians to give them whatever they whine for, especially if it involves other people's money or property. The politician racket is just another diversion funded by us, used to divert our attention from the creeping socialism and removal of morality from culture.
The good news is the government is completely bankrupt and the circuses will have to be cut back. It will get very ugly, but those cuts will only help in the long run.
What you did,is what I've been doing for decades and yes,it works.It IS something all of us who dearly want President Bush re-electeed must do.We are the grass roots warriors and it IS up to us to do everything and anything we can to make sure and certain that Kerry and the Dems are defeated.
BRAVO...........keep up the good work.
You are exactly right. I talk to people in the grocery line, in line at the bank (they have the TV cable stations on), whenever and wherever I can. TALK TO PEOPLE. Most don't have a clue. We have to WORK for GW and this election.
This is a great idea, but unfortunately most families aren't families (fathers missing, mothers not adequate mothers), and most "families" don't feel the urgency that you properly do. And you mention calling liberals what they are.... socialists and communists. Those words are true, but what good does it do. Most people who hear you say that will think you're a "mean spirited Republican".
The suggestions you make are right minded, but I fear, from being a near 60 year old goon who has been around, that most families do not have the structure, the will, or the direction to emphasize the important things, and ignorance is rushing over America like water over a waterfall. And it all goes back to the communist/socialist indoctrination in the schools!
I pray you are right, and I save my prayers for important things.
Speaking of pouring, I hope we're pouring the champagne about 2:00 a.m. Nov.3rd morning.
And Cheney - I can't wait for his debate with John Edwards (The political equivalent of breast implants). Cheney will roll over him.
Again I pray that you are right, but America is becoming less informed and more propagandized by the day, and I see it all over the place.
I have a small business and talk politics with as many of my customers as I can (sometimes chancing the possibility of losing a few of them). I am constantly amazed at how politically uninformed many are whom you would, under other circumstances, call relatively smart.
I heard from a friend of mine, in a very outraged tone of voice, that Meryl Streps used Hillary Clinton as the model for her character and that she "simply thought it was outrageous that a fine person (gag!) like Senator Clinton should be portrayed as such an evil person!!
I had to excuse myself so that I wouldn't laugh in her face and get her even angrier. Oh well, some people...
A few years ago an obviously racist NY City Councilman said he got so angry sometimes he just wanted to slap the nearest white person. He was rightfully condemned on this forum and other places.
"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health -- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002"
I understand your words but your comparison is extremely foolish, not at all up to your usual HIGH standards.
Barron wants to slap a white man because someone doesn't understand him, on the other hand, I feel like strangling Dan Rather, etc.(which I'd never actually do) because these media flunkies are consciously destroying the "free press" of this nation with their continual lies and distortions of events.
Lead, you're waaaaaaaaaay off this time, old boy.
Hold the sanctimony for someone else please. This is way to important for the thought police.
No 'thought police' here. It's one thing to think it. It's another thing to print or say it. If he was wrong - so are you.
Speak up ladies! What do you think of Sandy? SeeBS News will be awaiting your words so they can duly report them. (not)
I've read your posts over the years, you're smarter than this.
Try to tell me what EXACTLY is WRONG (we are talking about morality here, aren't we?).
By defending what you said you are defending what Barron said. You're both wrong in saying those things. Not illegal - just wrong. Just my opinion.
Please don't worry about my standards. Worry about yours.
Many of us also have an impulse and desire to NOT pay all the taxes that we do, but we pay them.
So there is no need for your warnings and "condemnation", as you mentioned, or any righteous high-horse sanctimony. You're a good old guy, I know you well, but your comparison here is trifling.
When you make such sophomoric and simplistic comparisons between Barron's wishes and mine you do yourself no justice. On the other hand, maybe I'm giving you too much credit.
I'm still not convinced about the OKC thing, BUT...knowing Klinton anything is possible.
The most ethical administration in history is looking like they are all going to do some hard time.
As conservatives and Freepers we should be on the frontlines recruiting and preaching our message everywhere we go. We should never let idiotic statements about our message go unchallenged. Just this month I have personally registered at least 50 people to vote. 50 people who are known conservatives to me, but are so apathetic about voting that they don't go vote. Because of the media they think that Bush is so horrible that why should they even bother. They know Kerry is a commie punk, so they won't ever go vote for that POS.
All it takes is just one seed like you planted to make a difference. Good job.
You keep making this about me. I don't get it.
You: " . . . I really have the impulse. . . "
Barron: "I want to . . . "
"Most people who hear you say that will think you're a "mean spirited Republican".
LOL! Then I really have to speak up by explaining that they even have a way to silence us. They have created catch phrases that makes us "politically incorrect," which incidentally, is another catch phrase to silence us.
I'm not going to waste any more time with you. This is it.
I could give you a number of reasons why your comparison, condemnation and warnings are simplistic, inappropriate and wrong-headed. Here is one, and then I must go back to work.
Barron said that he wanted to slap ANY white guy.... he didn't even have to know the guy....... Barron had NO GRIPE with the white guy..... the white guy was just ANY white guy on the street. Barron had no complaint against the anonymous white guy..... other than that he was white. On the other hand, I (and most of the rest of the Republicans, Constitutionalists, and conservatives) have felt a personal grievance toward the mainstream media. The mainstream media and lowlife sleazoids like Dan Rather have taken it upon themselves to lie about, distort, and outrightly ignore news events - much to the detriment and injury to this country and to the benefit of the liberal Democrat/Socialists who are tearing the fabric of this country apart.
If you don't see the difference, then you must go back to school and get that education. Leadpenny, you are too smart not to understand the difference and that there is no need for "condemnation" as you said. Now, that's that!
Have a great weekend.
It would be great if you started a thread explaining what you did (above), and to implore all others here to do the same. It's those people who have been turned off to politics that can be influenced, and we all must try to influence them, or we lose, and this country is past tense.
Not so fast, Charlie Brown! You're still making a distinction without a difference. If you were to substitue 'beyond the sea' for Barron, and 'anyone in the media' for 'a white guy,' you're saying the same thing.
The way I see it, "when you're in a hole - quit digging!"
You too, have a good weekend.
Is Burgler under arrest?
Kudos to you for changing this man's mind. Most of the dims I run into in the course of my day are intellectual nitwits. Some days I wonder if my "preaching" to the left is worth it. It feels like banging my head against a brick wall.
Stories like yours are uplifting and make me realize that maybe I *can* make a difference.
When this guy learned (on his computer) what Jayna Davis had to say about OKC, he was nearly ready to exterminate the Dems/Clinton/lying liberals. It works, it must be done or we lose I fear. The media is a killer.
Not yet.......... I wouldn't be surprised if he kills himself.
Good for you!!!! :)
But you can't. It would be incorrect.. Stop now. You don't see a difference, you are hopelessly irrational.
I'll bet the people (if there are any) in your life are walking around on tiptoes..... so as not to be condemned. You sure are a righteous, sanctimonious fellow. You seem to have awakened before your good judgement.
You are a very self-righteous guy today. Get over it, and please keep your stuffy condemnation to your sanctimonious self.
This thread was begun to try to help George Bush get elected, and all you can do is act not unlike one of those disrupting DU'ers. There are more important concerns than you irritatingly trying to find fault where there is none. You should know better!
Get a life... on another thread.
If you don't want to have anything to do with the positive interests of this thread go to the National Archives with some real loose pants and use your imagination.