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Andrew Sullivan: Kerry: the right choice for conservatives (VOMIT TILL YOU DIE ALERT)
The Sunday Times ^ | July 25, 2004 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/24/2004 4:32:41 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan; Grampa Dave; Smartass; MeekOneGOP; Happy2BMe; potlatch; nopardons; ntnychik; onyx
Andrew is merely upset that Bush tried to push through the new constitutional amendment defending marriage.

Baddabing baddaboom--Ivan shoots it between the eyes.

Bush has the protofascist neoreligious snake-handling obstinant refusal to cast the sacrament of marriage into the bathhouse gutter.

How insightful can the political commentary be of one who insists on keeping his head up his backside?

Spit it out there, Andy--Bush won't let you marry Bruce--that's the sum and substance of your purseswing hissy-fit vapors.


Not that there's anything wrong with that.

101 posted on 07/24/2004 9:31:27 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MadIvan

We could see this one coming, couldn't we?


102 posted on 07/24/2004 9:32:35 PM PDT by michaelt
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To: feelgoodfox

oposition to homosexuality is not based on religion for many people.

As for the DNC Moore-ish talking point of being "offended" by GWBushes religion, that is a red hering.

It is far more offensive to have a president and his entourage saying "no controling legal authority" as opposed to a president who says "I must do the right thing regardless of re-election."


103 posted on 07/24/2004 9:33:25 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: montag813

It is best summed up as with "it is freedom OF religion not freedom FROM religion." Atheism is just as much a religion which is required seperated from state.

( a federal judge has already ruled environmentalism is a religion.)

The ACLU types want to make a court order mandating the world pretend religion does not exist. IOW imposed atheism.


104 posted on 07/24/2004 9:38:53 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: MadIvan
This is shameful, and frankly a bunch of nonsense.
105 posted on 07/24/2004 10:05:07 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - As if Andrew Sullivan would say anything else. Note the "Barf til you Die" Alert on the top.

Disclaimer - I didn't read most of the above article. I'll try now. It's so hot, I really don't want to barf.

What I wonder is why anyone who isn't a flaming liberal pays any attention to Sullivan anyway.

let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


106 posted on 07/24/2004 10:14:01 PM PDT by little jeremiah (The Islamic Jihad and the Homosexual Jihad both want to destroy us.)
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To: MadIvan
His basic message: let’s return to “normalcy”.

God help us if Kerry is elected!

107 posted on 07/24/2004 10:40:51 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8)
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To: MadIvan
At home we need to restrain the unruly religious right.

[sigh]

108 posted on 07/24/2004 10:42:31 PM PDT by Mockingbird For Short ("When the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8)
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To: MadIvan
While reading this, I thought, "This sounds like a house editorial from the New York Times. Then I read your explanation, and it all becamse clear. Payback for not bending over and taking gay "marriage."

There has also been, it’s safe to say, a remarkable recklessness in Bush’s approach. Was it really necessary to insist that the Geneva conventions do not apply to detainees in the war on terror?

This also sounds like something out of the New York Times. Yes, it was necessary to insist that the Geneva Conventions DO NOT apply to unlawful combatants, because the Conventions say just that themsleves.

109 posted on 07/24/2004 11:07:18 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: MadIvan; MeekOneGOP; Salem; little jeremiah

Andy is a queer boy!? No soup for Andy today!


110 posted on 07/25/2004 12:26:03 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: MadIvan
Bush ... has been almost criminally reckless in his conduct of the war. He and America will never live down the intelligence debacle of the missing WMDs.

Give me room, folks. (Taking a deep breath...)

Excuse me? Mr. Sullivan, were you too busy cruising TrickClick.com to notice that both the U.S. Senate and the U.K.'s Parliament cleared both Bush and Blair of blame in the (supposed) errors of both nations' intelligence apparatuses? Only an idiot would argue that Saddam Hussein wasn't acting as if he was hiding something -- it would have been irresponsible to treat him with the benefit of the doubt. If Kerry had been President when this intelligence surfaced, he either would have waged war based on what we knew to be true, or he would have pulled a Clinton and done next to nothing while talking tough. If Bush won't 'live it down,' it's because people like you are doing your best to unjustly tattoo it on him.

He and America will be hard put to regain the moral high ground after Abu Ghraib.

(Resisting the urge to swear...)

Oh, yes indeed, Mr. Sullivan, 'America lost the moral high ground' when in the interest of policing its own, it conducted an investigation into abuse of prisoners of war. 'America lost the moral high ground' when it allowed photographs of misconduct to be splashed across the world, rather than suppressing them and punishing those who revealed the truth. 'America lost the moral high ground' when it resisted destroying Iraqi "holy cities" where mosques served as the home bases of remote control bombers and ambushers with RPG's. 'America lost the moral high ground' when it refused to install a puppet ruler in Iraq to replace the regime of Saddam Hussein. 'America lost the moral high ground' when it restored fresh water, electric power, and schools to Iraqis who had been denied them by Saddam. Yep, Andy, one naked dogpile the likes of which we have never seen (well, maybe YOU have), and that ruined all that good work.

Why don't you just be honest, and admit that you are a one-issue voter this year? While the rest of us consider national security, foreign policy, and economic issues as of the utmost importance, you are distracted by not being able to call someone your husband, and you created this column as a fig leaf as you sell out to a duplicitous, unprincipled, indecisive empty suit whose greatest claim to fame is joining radical leftists in driving a wedge into the country by stereotyping Vietnam soldiers as bloodthirsty savages.

Mr. Sullivan, I might normally suggest that you hang your head down in shame, but it occurred to me that you are already staring downward quite often. That's your problem.

111 posted on 07/25/2004 12:36:13 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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"There has also been, it's safe to say, a remarkable recklessness in Bush's approach. Was it really necessary to insist that the Geneva conventions do not apply to detainees in the war on terror?"
"Who would have guessed that you be more interested in women's panties on men's heads than islamic-fascists CUTTING OFF OUR HEADS? "

Andrew Sullivan Bends Over For Kerry

112 posted on 07/25/2004 12:57:48 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://PostNineEleven.blogspot.com/)
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To: Yehuda
link fixed here
113 posted on 07/25/2004 12:59:57 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://PostNineEleven.blogspot.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Buh Bye Andrew!


114 posted on 07/25/2004 5:30:24 AM PDT by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: Smartass; MadIvan; yall


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115 posted on 07/25/2004 7:45:55 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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116 posted on 07/25/2004 8:09:25 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Happy2BMe


117 posted on 07/25/2004 8:26:04 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Torie

My opinion remains unchanged. There are too many suckers in the world. People can and do PRETEND to align themselves with an organization only to change or destroy it. Go read the goals of the Log Cabin Republicans. They want to CHANGE the Republicans. That's why they exist. But then, no one knows these tactics better than you , Torie.


118 posted on 07/25/2004 9:11:19 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

119 posted on 07/25/2004 11:27:09 AM PDT by Smartass ( BUSH & CHENEY IN 2004 - Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió.)
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To: MadIvan
Andrew is merely upset that Bush tried to push through the new constitutional amendment defending marriage. Andrew, really, there are more important things in life than you wanting to get married to another man - this is blinding you to Kerry's deficiencies and exaggerating Bush's defects. Terrorists do not respect anything less than total resolve - and President Bush has that in abundance.

You're absolutely right. He obviously places his priorities on him and no one else.

120 posted on 07/25/2004 1:18:26 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul (The beauty of flip-flopping consists entirely in saying one thing and doing something else)
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To: longtermmemmory

"As for the DNC Moore-ish talking point of being "offended" by GWBushes religion, that is a red hering [sic]."

Don't you dare compare me to Michael Moore! I am damned well offended by Bush's religious injections into his politics. As I am offended by the gutter talk from homophobes on this board.


121 posted on 07/25/2004 4:43:06 PM PDT by feelgoodfox
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To: Torie

What a loser this clown turned out to be. Its all about what he does with his johnson.


122 posted on 07/25/2004 4:50:13 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: MadIvan

Sullivan is obviously an idiot. "Return to normalcy"? With nukes in Iran and Islamo-fascists in over 60 countries plotting to kill us? What planet is he on? Has he read the 9/11 report?


123 posted on 07/25/2004 5:14:55 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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