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To: MadIvan
I don't think it's liberal vs conservative any longer, it's radical vs reactionary. The radicals want change, and the reactionaries prefer the status quo. It depends on the issue which term describes the Republicans and which the Democrats. Gay marriage: Republican = reactionary, Democrat = radical. School vouchers: Republican = radical, Democrat = reactionary. Sometimes there *is* no difference, such as out-of-control spending, where both sides are reactionary.

I have to say that I certainly didn't get what I expected with Bush, and I wish we had someone who adopted more of the agenda the Republicans espoused before he took office. On the other hand, Kerry? Please. I have to think Sullivan is having a bit of fun with us here. Nobody who's seen Kerry operate can possibly expect him to live up to one word of what he says on anything whatsoever. The man's a weathervane and will turn in the direction of which breeze is strongest, with a strong spring-loaded bias toward the left direction of course.

And finally, I don't have the animosity some of you have toward gays. Most of the ones I've met are actually traditional mainstream people in the other aspects of their lives, and aren't out there trolling the parks for children or exhibiting their intimate body piercings in parades. I have no problem with the regular folks, just the real extremeists who want to impose their agenda via the courts and institutions like schools. If they'd try to attain their political aims through gradual societal consensus instead of an end-run around traditionalists, I'd respect them a lot more. (I wonder how the uber-lefties who want total diversity are going to resolve the conflict when radical Islamists whom they welcomed into society start exercising Sharia law and begin killing gays and headstrong women. That should make for an interesting rationalization.)

54 posted on 07/24/2004 5:41:08 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
I have no animosity to gays, as long as they leave me and my family alone. I have worked with them, had classes under them, socialized with them, and appreciated much of their work in fashion, design, and the arts.

What I do not appreciate is someone like Sullivan risking the well-being of this nation for his own personal gratification. I hold the same animosity towards the anti-immigration people who oppose Bush, simply because they want to "teach him a lesson."

We are at war. People who want their own pet causes pushed at the expense of national safety are irresponsible, in my opinion.

57 posted on 07/24/2004 5:48:44 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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