Posted on 07/24/2004 8:56:51 PM PDT by justme346
It's kind of hard to remove welfare programs when millions of people believe they rely on them. When someone's live-in maid making $50 a week gets pregnant --- how can they pay their own health care when maternity care costs something like $3000? Plus much of that money they might make has to be sent to Mexico to support whatever number of people it has to support.
If that was truly a concern of yours, you would make it easier for them to come and go.
Many would come of course. But the great majority would not. And at the point that our manual labor job market was fully saturated (we're not even close currently), the tide would stem severely. The overwhelming majority of Mexican immigrants do not move here to then sit and collect welfare. They move here to work and make more and more money... like everyone else. And many of them do. (If you moved somewhere that you had a chance to make 5x what you used to... would you then sit and collect 1-2x what you used to... while all your friends are out making that 5x? Of course not.)
So did you raise heck about the Bush's allowing those boatloads of Haitians to be sent back to Haiti? They recently deported an African who was here illegally attending schools -- he seemed like a very good kid --- why isn't there out outrage by the open border crowd that the other third world countries aren't allowed to send their millions or billions of impoverished --- they aren't allowed to do the same ethnic cleansing like Mexico is.
Republicans had been pushing for federal welfare reform for 3 decades with no success... until they finally had enough popular support to get Clinton to pass it (and he smartly did, thereby removing a major issue of theirs that they had won the battle on)... and when did that welfare reform finally come? In the 1990s, in the middle of an immigration boom from Mexico. We had more illegal and legal immigration from Latin America than ever before in the 1990s... and our economy had never been better? Are you ever happy living in the wealthiest country in the history of the world? Or are you always complaining?
First of all, I don't get outraged when any illegal immigrant is deported. Even Mexicans. The law is the law, as stupid as our immigration laws currently are.
And I didn't call for Haitians to be sent back. I would have no problem with them staying here just as I have no problem with Cubans staying here. Immigrants come to work. They have for hundreds of years in this country. NYC is the greatest city in the world... and poor immigrants basically built the entire thing.
I would be --- except it happens the region I'm in actually does rival the third world.
I'm not against a legal way for just those willing to work certain jobs in on a temporary basis. Such as a real guest worker program that would allow farms to transport and provide housing for guest workers just for the season and then transport them back. No moving of entire neighborhoods to the USA --- but a program that would encourage the Mexicans to invest in their own country. As it is no one is doing much investing --- they are quickly becoming a welfare nation sitting around waiting for the monthly money wire to come in, until they get around to hire a coyote and come over themselves.
There needs to be a better system --- the current one or the 3 year amnesty isn't better --- they allow conditions in Mexico to go on deteriorating.
I agree. I'm out. Take it easy, FITZ.
I'm out too --- have to get some things done --- have a good day yourself.
The United States is so different today than it was back in the 1700's that it would be a waste of time to debate immigration pros and cons by comparing these two eras in our country's history. The main point that I want to make is that if we truly need additional foreign workers, we can increase the number of legal immigrants that we allow into the US. These additional foreign workers could come from any of several different countries, and not just Mexico. How about if we let in a few million Chinese workers? Or Russian workers? Or Pakistani workers? Or African workers? We would never have any problems finding foreigners who would want to come to the US to work and live. But whatever we choose to do, we should never reward foreigners for violating our immigration laws by giving them amnesty.
When I first moved here in 1994, the Naco Border Patrol Station caught only 2,448 illegals for that entire year. Last year they caught 95,087. That's 38 times higher than 10 years ago.
The final figure for Cochise County for 2003 was 180,267 caught. If the BP managed to catch one in five, that means about 720,000 made it through here. We have only 84 miles of the Tucson Sector's 280 miles of border.
Imagine our joy when the Border Patrol announced that traffic is up 56% over this time last year. We have one stretch of trails through here that the BP openly calls OTM Alley because they catch so many Other Than Mexicans there.
Human smuggling is now controlled by the drug smuggling cartels. It is quite lucrative and less risky than drug smuggling. On March 1, 2004 a report was released jointly by our State Department and the Mexican National Migration Institute -- their estimate was that human smuggling was generating $8 billion per year along the Mexican border. Moreover, about 30% of that money was being spent in bribes to officials on both sides of the border. The report was all over the Mexican media, but got no play on this side of the border. A copy of the original article can be found here.
We do need them, and we should increase that number. But trying to do it through the federal government and track them all will only create more bureacracy and more problems.
How about if we let in a few million Chinese workers? Or Russian workers? Or Pakistani workers? Or African workers? We would never have any problems finding foreigners who would want to come to the US to work and live.
It would be amazing to think what we could do with all those people. Man, the things we would build, the military we would have, etc... I can't imagine... it would be awesome.
You are soooooooooooooo right! I love it and support it, 100%. I know that they are being used worldwide, so why not here?
God Bless.
oops, I forgot... poor down trodden that Kerry wants in his formula with Edwards for ONE AMERIKA....
;)
Thank you so much for the info! ;)
Thanks for the info, but you know? After Hurricanes, we have martial law... I thought that after 9/11, the arguement for NOT using military for the "home front" was moot. Go figure. I would rather them be on our borders to seal them off like they conquered the Taliban!
Just FYI.
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