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Libertarian Badnarik May Cost Bush Support, Poll Finds
Los Angeles Times ^ | July 21, 2004 | Peter Wallsten

Posted on 07/24/2004 11:44:46 PM PDT by Commie Basher

Democratic strategists have long fretted that Ralph Nader could draw votes from their presidential candidate. But a new survey suggests that President Bush faces a potential threat of his own from a more obscure spoiler: Michael Badnarik.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: badnarik; bush; libertarianparty; libertarians; nader; thirdparty; wishfulthinking
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Since this is the L.A. Times, I only posted the first paragraph.
1 posted on 07/24/2004 11:44:48 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher

Naw, he'll draw other moral-liberal voters from their fellow ideologues in the Democratic Party.


2 posted on 07/24/2004 11:46:56 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Commie Basher

I went to the article.

Here is the link: (your link didn't take me to the article, even after I signed in)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-poll21jul21,1,6543600.story

It sounds more like Dem wishful thinking than anything else. But that said, those who would vote for Bush in a two-way race, need to realize, that if they vote for Bodnarik, or anyone else except Bush, they are helping Kerry, and their votes may be what gives Kerry the additional few votes to win.


"In the survey, conducted in three Midwest battleground states, some voters who said they would choose Bush over Sen. John F. Kerry in a two-candidate race also said they would pick Badnarik, the Libertarian Party nominee for president, if he were added to the ballot.

The numbers for Badnarik were small: He drew 1% to 1.5% of the vote in a four-way race with Bush, Democratic candidate Kerry and Nader, an independent."


3 posted on 07/24/2004 11:55:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: Commie Basher

Losertarians are worse than the french.


4 posted on 07/25/2004 12:04:33 AM PDT by Drango (Stupidity is the only infinitely renewable resource)
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To: Commie Basher

This libertarian is voting for Bush.


5 posted on 07/25/2004 12:05:47 AM PDT by wingnutx
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To: FairOpinion
that if they vote for Bodnarik, or anyone else except Bush, they are helping Kerry

So Bush owns my vote by default?

6 posted on 07/25/2004 12:15:41 AM PDT by John Farson (Cthulu for President -- why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: Commie Basher
Correction: "Conservatives" will be costing Bush votes. Bush has abandoned the cause of limited government, and all who believe in it. If he loses any votes to the Libertarians, it is because he has been Drinking the Liberal Poison.
7 posted on 07/25/2004 12:19:47 AM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: John Farson

Bush does not own your vote, it just depends on what you want. Say the family choice of pizza tonight is very close between pepperoni and anchovies. Well if your favorite pizza is sausage slightly over pepperoni, but you really do not like anchovies, you might well vote pepperoni rather than vote sausage and suffer through yet another anchovy topped pizza.

It is of course your choice as to whether you prefer Badnarik to Bush and if so by how much. And if you prefer Badnarik to Bush but Bush to Kerry, the question becomes where you think the bigger gap is? That is is your second choice Bush so much better than the alternative outcome Kerry that you will forgo voting for your first choice. This is called strategic voting.


8 posted on 07/25/2004 12:23:24 AM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
I dislike both for different reasons. In Illinois voting libertarian was a pretty easy decision -- no way Bush will win there. Given that Wisconsin is closely contested, I'll give Bush slightly more consideration.

Kerry is promising to expand socialized medicine (just as Bush did for old people) even further... IMO, both are moving in the wrong direction.

The choice is between anchovy pizza and extra anchovy pizza.

9 posted on 07/25/2004 12:42:18 AM PDT by John Farson (Cthulu for President -- why vote for the lesser evil?)
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To: JLS

I've been told voting Libertarian is like a mouse giving the finger to a pouncing cat. You get impaled in the end any way, but at least you didn't go down without a fight. You can let the big government bastards know you won't continue supporting them unconditionally. If the republicans haven't EARNED your vote, you are truly wasting it by voting for them.


10 posted on 07/25/2004 12:46:52 AM PDT by Capitalism2003 (America is too great for small dreams. - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: Capitalism2003
I've been told voting Libertarian is like a mouse giving the finger to a pouncing cat. You get impaled in the end any way, but at least you didn't go down without a fight. You can let the big government bastards know you won't continue supporting them unconditionally. If the republicans haven't EARNED your vote, you are truly wasting it by voting for them.

The last three presidential elections, I've voted for the libertarian cantidate. I live in the state of Missouri, and I didn't like voting for Dole, especially after he shafted 2nd Amendment supporters with the Brady Bill quick vote. And since MO went strongly for Bush last time, I had no problems voting my concience without worrying that Gore might carry MO.

But this time, it's going to be too close. I disagree with much that President Bush has supported during his first term, but I don't want to take a chance that Kerry might win. So I will be voting for Bush this time, and I've been trying to convince everyone else I know to do the same.

Mark

11 posted on 07/25/2004 12:52:10 AM PDT by MarkL (A werewolf?? Werewolf?? .... "There.... Wolf!")
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To: Capitalism2003

Right that is what my little example says. You still control your vote. Do you think there is not "a dimes worth of difference" between Bush and Kerry, to coin a phrase. If so I can, see your vote.

But if you think the War on Terror had to be fought after the US was attacked, if like me you think the Libertarians have the abortion issue all wrong, if think Kerry is particularly bad, then you might vote strategically. Personally this semi Libertarian who thinks we should legalize drugs, limit government, protect property rights etc plans to vote for Bush.


12 posted on 07/25/2004 1:03:33 AM PDT by JLS
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To: FairOpinion
It sounds more like Dem wishful thinking than anything else. But that said, those who would vote for Bush in a two-way race, need to realize, that if they vote for Bodnarik, or anyone else except Bush, they are helping Kerry, and their votes may be what gives Kerry the additional few votes to win.

With regard to the Bush/Kerry race, voting for a lesser party is no different from staying home. If having someone positive to vote for in the Presidential race (even if that person has no chance of winning) causes someone to go to the polls and vote Republican for other offices, that would seem better than having that person simply sit out the election altogether.

If the AWB is gone and hasn't come back in any way, shape, or form by November, I'll probably vote for Bush (even though it's not apt to matter in Illinois). But if the AWB isn't gone, I'd see no reason to.

13 posted on 07/25/2004 1:25:36 AM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: Commie Basher

This Conservative is voting for Bush.


14 posted on 07/25/2004 2:11:01 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (While Bush plays "rope a dope", Kerry/Edwards play "grope a dope".)
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LA Times Hopes Libertarian Badnarik May Cost Bush Support
15 posted on 07/25/2004 2:26:01 AM PDT by Tom_Busch (Vote Bush/Cheney in 2004)
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To: Capitalism2003

And just how would a Libertarian government have dealt with the post 9/11 islamic-terroristic world?

Would they have acted any differently? Or would they have blindly held to their notion of not getting into 'foreign entaglements?'

I'm tired of hearing the Libertarians play Monday morning quarterback.

Face it, by voting Libertarian you are voting for Kerry. Period. You'd think that some of you would have learned that back in 1992 when the Perot factor ushered in the "Great Clintonian Era".

You guys really need to get your head examined.


16 posted on 07/25/2004 2:27:51 AM PDT by MDspinboyredux
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To: Commie Basher

Is it true Michael Badnarik was unemployed when he ran for the nomination? Also, is it true that Michael Badnarik is single and periodically lives with his mother?


17 posted on 07/25/2004 2:32:21 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd; All

Libertarianism: Anarchy with low self-esteem.


18 posted on 07/25/2004 4:00:25 AM PDT by olde north church (<a href="http://www.trentonrevlution.com">trentonrevolution</a>)
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To: olde north church
Libertarianism: Anarchy with low self-esteem.

Ernst Vann de haag had it right when he called Libertarianism anarcho totalitarianism. Vann de haag explained that with a regular totalitarian the government can do whatever it wants and with the Libertarian the individual can do whatever he wants (including child molestation).

19 posted on 07/25/2004 4:06:57 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: MarkL
I disagree with much that President Bush has supported during his first term, but I don't want to take a chance that Kerry might win. So I will be voting for Bush this time, and I've been trying to convince everyone else I know to do the same.

So what you're saying is you have convictions but when the chips may fall differently, you then have no convictions?

20 posted on 07/25/2004 4:24:30 AM PDT by joesbucks
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