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Say what? Iowa first lady slammed blacks, Easterners and Southerners as bad speakers
Boston Herald ^ | July 26, 2004 | David R. Guarino

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:40:49 AM PDT by HalfFull

Iowa First Lady Christie Vilsack, a key factor in John Kerry's primary sweep and the primetime convention speaker tomorrow, has derided blacks, southerners and easterners as bad speakers because she couldn't understand them.

In inflammatory columns for her local newspaper obtained by the Herald, the normally soft-spoken Vilsack tore into several minority and ethnic groups while lampooning non-midwesterners for regional dialects.

``I am fascinated at the way some African-Americans speak to each other in an English I struggle to understand, then switch to standard English when the situation requires,'' Vilsack wrote in a 1994 column in the Mount Pleasant News, while her husband, Tom, was a state senator.

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These "Dim"ocrats are clueless....
1 posted on 07/26/2004 7:40:51 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull

And she's a clueless b!tch.


2 posted on 07/26/2004 7:44:25 AM PDT by Laura Earl (Involuntary lurker during business hours.)
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To: HalfFull
`I am fascinated at the way some African-Americans speak to each other in an English I struggle to understand, then switch to standard English when the situation requires,

Don't they teach 'ebonics' anymore in Iowa 'publik skools'?

3 posted on 07/26/2004 7:44:30 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: HalfFull

They love her because she stated her support of Kerry before the caucuses while everyone else was on the Dean bandwagon. The Governor didn't support anyone, but his wife did, and now they are paying her back with a primetime speach, not hubby. Anyway, this is the first that I've heard of this.


4 posted on 07/26/2004 7:46:12 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: HalfFull
...Vilsack wrote in a 1994 column in the Mount Pleasant News...

Is that the best anyone can do? Talk about non-news. Sheesh.

And no, I don't care about the tired old whine,'Well, if it were a Republican...'

Dang people, grow up!

5 posted on 07/26/2004 7:47:42 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Coming to you live from HESCO City...)
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To: HalfFull
Reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaalllllllyyyyyyy.....

How interesting. How very very interesting.

BTW, there is nothing known as "standard English". We usually regard Midwestern speak (Minnesotan excluded) as a default for American dialect. A number of call centers are in Nebraska. But the closest there is to standard English is an Oxford accent as is used by the newsreaders on the BBC.

You see this very much in England. Most people can speak the Queen's English if they want to, but a Cockney accent establishes ones classist bona fides.

6 posted on 07/26/2004 7:49:26 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: HalfFull

Who axed her?


7 posted on 07/26/2004 7:49:58 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedy family legacy - can't skipper a boat, can't fly, can't drive, can't ski)
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To: HalfFull
``Later, on the boardwalk, I heard mothers calling to their children, `I'll meet yoose here after the movie,' '' she wrote. ``The only way I can speak like residents of New Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania is to let my jaw drop an inch and talk with my lips in an `O' like a fish."

As a New Jersey resident, I don't think this is offensive at all - actually, it's pretty damn funny.

8 posted on 07/26/2004 7:50:55 AM PDT by ICX (My God - this parachute's a backpack!)
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To: cspackler
WOW aperfect example of an EVil Dum. She just spouted her stupid mouth off in public. I bet her and tahreeeza are great friends.

Blacks,Polish, Southerners, Easterners, wow an equal opportunity elitist bigot.

9 posted on 07/26/2004 7:51:47 AM PDT by marty60
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To: HalfFull
I wonder who is writing the Democrat talking points these days.

Bill Maher was on CNN and slammed all southerners as stupid. He said the south was the dumbest region in the country because they are patriotic and religious.

That ought to get the dems a few voted down here in GA!
10 posted on 07/26/2004 7:54:01 AM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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To: Eagle Eye
Actually, depending on how the articles are written (i.e., lighthearted and she makes fun of all accents apparently), a Republican would probably not be excoriated by this information. It is the "special relationship" that Democrats have with minorities that makes this kind of insensitivity so shocking.

It also explains why Edwards was chosen for veep. This must have come out in the vetting process. I mean, the articles were in the public domain and only 10 years old.

11 posted on 07/26/2004 7:55:17 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: HalfFull

She'd really have trouble understanding my version of the English language----born and raised in Carlisle England and overlayed with 30 years in California and Texas.


12 posted on 07/26/2004 7:55:23 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: marty60

And the Dems wonder why they can't win in the South.


13 posted on 07/26/2004 7:55:53 AM PDT by whodat57
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To: ICX
Sure it is. I'm sure the articles are harmless fun. But Democrats are supposed to be extra-sensitive and, although regional idiosyncrasies are fine, talking about African-American speech is a no-no.
14 posted on 07/26/2004 7:57:21 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: HalfFull
Say whut? Iowa fust lady slammed brothers, Easterners and Souderners as baaaad rapers
By Isaac R. Guarino

Iowa Fust Lady Christie Vilsack, some key facto' in Raz'tus Kerry's primary sweep and da damn primetime convenshun rapa' tomo'row, gots derided brothers, souderners and easterners as baaaad rapers cuz' she couldn't dig it dem. WORD!

In inflammato'y columns fo' ha' local newssheet obtained by de Herald, de no'mally soft-rapped Vilsack to'e into several mino'ity and ednic groups while lampoonin' non-midwesterners fo' regional dialects.

“I's gots'ta be fascinated at da damn way some African-Americans rap t'each oda' in an English ah' struggle t'dig it, den switch t'standard English when de situashun requires,'' Vilsack wrote in some 1994 column in de Mount Pleasant News, while ha' husband, Tom, wuz some state senato'.

Vilsack wrote dat souderners seem t'have ``slurred speech,'' wrote dat she'd rada' learn Polish dan try t'rap likes sucka's fum New Jersey, and wrote dat some West Virginian Plate Chick once offered ha' homey some ``side saddle'' instead uh a ``side salad.''

De future Iowa fust lady seemed t'be promotin' English as de nashun's official language, an issue dat tripped down ha' husband, Gov. Man! Tom Vilsack, wid many Democrats.

A Kerry campaign rappedsman dismissed da damn quotes as ``ancient clips'' and referred quesshuns t'de Democratic Nashunal Convenshun Committee.

De DNCC wouldn't say wheda' de comments match de convenshun platfo'm o' deme.

An educato' fo' 30 years and fo'ma' eighd-grade language head homeboy, Vilsack gots made language and literacy prio'ities as fust lady.

Slap mah fro! She gots become some key powa' playa' in Iowa politics and be widely credited wid breadin' new life into Kerry's flaggin' super-dudeial bid in January wid ha' endo'sment some week befo'e da damn kickoff Iowa caucuses.

At da damn Jan. 'S coo', bro. 12 endo'sement event, Kerry said uh Vilsack, ``Christie be de fust head homeboy, not plum de fust lady. Slap mah fro!'' Vilsack's Aug. What it is, Mama! 24, 1994, column wuz particularly critical uh dialects fum oda' regions uh de country. Slap mah fro! In addishun t'de knock on African-Americans, Vilsack knocked residents uh New Jersey and Pennsylvania. WORD!

``Later, on de bo'dwalk, ah' heard moders callin' t'deir children, `I'll meet yoose here afta' de movie,' '' she wrote. ``De only way ah' can rap likes residents uh New Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania be to let mah' jaw drop an inch and rap wid mah' lips in an `O' likes some fish. Lop some boogie. I'd rada' learn t'rap Polish. Lop some boogie.

“Two years later, in some column about ha' trip t'de Olympics in Atlanta, Vilsack said she had ``language problems.''

“When ah' ax' fo' direcshuns, ah' can't dig it de slurred speech uh soudern Americans, who is so polite and eaga' to please,'' Vilsack said.

Vilsack dun didn't return calls last night but said earlia' dis mond she'd be rappin' about real American values t'convenshun delegates tomo'row night.

Man! ``I'm goin' t'talk about Main Street values cuz' I live on Main Street,'' Vilsack said.

15 posted on 07/26/2004 7:57:36 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: HalfFull
From a political perspective, her remarks were probably foolish. But their content is neither inflammatory nor very insulting. Bill Cosby has recently made similar comments, to the cheers of many here. I've heard people in Jersey complain about southern drawls, and southern folk mock northeastern accents. BFD. For what it's worth, I like the Boston accent, hate the Jersey accent, and prefer a bit of southern twang. I find the border state (to Canada) accents absolutely hysterical, don'chaknow.
16 posted on 07/26/2004 7:58:29 AM PDT by Mr. Bird (Ain't the beer cold!)
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To: atomic conspiracy
born and raised in Carlisle England and overlayed with 30 years in California and Texas

Cheers! I say, gnarly dude! How have y'all been after all y'all got married?

17 posted on 07/26/2004 7:59:37 AM PDT by AmishDude
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To: marty60

I have to stick up for this Rat.

I have a black women company representative that speaks very good english when meeting with me. However, I was at a company meeting one time and this women was with some other black employees and they were speaking with so much jive I had a hard time understanding them.

I also have seen many young whites speak in gangsta talk and it sickens me.


18 posted on 07/26/2004 8:00:20 AM PDT by superiorslots
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To: N. Theknow
I agree with the lady 100%.

And she's got the balls to say it!

Unlike miost of the "men" in her party.

19 posted on 07/26/2004 8:01:25 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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I think her arrogance is what offends people. Her attitude that she doesn't have an accent or dialect, everyone else does. That she speaks decent English, and that anyone she can't understand automatically doesn't.
20 posted on 07/26/2004 8:02:35 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: HalfFull

Being from Boston, she'd love my wicked good English :)


21 posted on 07/26/2004 8:06:36 AM PDT by BobbyGood (Pay your fair share in taxes)
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To: HalfFull
``I am fascinated at the way some African-Americans speak to each other in an English I struggle to understand, then switch to standard English when the situation requires,'' Vilsack wrote..."

Me too, but you're not supposed to SAY that, unless you're Bill Cosby.

22 posted on 07/26/2004 8:07:18 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: atomic conspiracy
She'd really have trouble understanding my version of the English language----born and raised in Carlisle England and overlayed with 30 years in California and Texas.

By golly, you're right. I can barely understand what you typed ;)
23 posted on 07/26/2004 8:08:10 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: HalfFull

Because the notion so often arises of the way Republicans are lambasted for their un-PC statements while Dems are given a free ride, perhaps we should create a new acronym -IARDT - "If a Republican Did That."


24 posted on 07/26/2004 8:10:50 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: tjwmason; carenot; carton253; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; ...
``When I ask for directions, I can't understand the slurred speech of southern Americans"

Translation: "Find I-95, head North. Now Git!"

25 posted on 07/26/2004 8:10:59 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: dead

Ya dun good unteel you mispelt talk, Dead. Everbidy noes it's TAWK!


26 posted on 07/26/2004 8:11:16 AM PDT by basil (I'm sick of politicking politicians!)
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To: HalfFull

``I am fascinated at the way some African-Americans speak to each other in an English I struggle to understand, then switch to standard English when the situation requires,''

Mexicans do that to me all the time 'cause I don't speak Mexican English. But I figure - hey, they're not talking TO ME, so "mei wenti".


27 posted on 07/26/2004 8:16:47 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: stainlessbanner
Translation: "Find I-95, head North. Now Git!"

Revised:

"Find I-95, head North, don't stop till you pass the Mason-Dixon Line. Now Git!"

28 posted on 07/26/2004 8:18:49 AM PDT by RebelBanker (Now I understand! "Allah" is Arabic for "Satan.")
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To: dead

Great parody, dead.


29 posted on 07/26/2004 8:18:53 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: HalfFull
As another poster pointed out the other day, the typical Southern accent is an outgrowth of the Scots-Irish dialect of English. It is actually much closer phonetically to the spoken language of Shakespeare than is the broad Midwestern accent which this lady, in her ignorance, apparently regards as the standard.

This can be seen in the relative ease with which actors transition from one to the other. Think of Vivien Leigh in Gone with the Wind. It also works the other way 'round. A striking example would be John Hillerman, a native of Dennison Texas who played the upright English major-domo Higgins on Magnum PI. Hillerman sometimes played Higgins' Texan cousin Jim Bob during the series. Jim Bob's Texas drawl is in fact Hillerman's natural speach, while Higgins' pseudo-Oxonian is a put-on.

30 posted on 07/26/2004 8:19:35 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (A few words for the media: Julius Streicher, follow his path, share his fate.)
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To: RebelBanker

LOL! Even I can't understand those Southerners! Sheesh


31 posted on 07/26/2004 8:21:13 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: basil; OldPossum
I just used The Dialectizer.
32 posted on 07/26/2004 8:21:36 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: stainlessbanner
TRUE!

and people of FR wonder why we southrons so dislike damnyankees??????

free dixie,sw

33 posted on 07/26/2004 8:21:49 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: superiorslots

Pallleeeeze, she is an ELITIST BIGOT nothing more nothing less. The "rep" knew her audience. Talk to Bill Cosby, she should not have done that, held to a higher standard.


34 posted on 07/26/2004 8:24:06 AM PDT by marty60
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To: HalfFull

" ``When I ask for directions, I can't understand the slurred speech of southern Americans, who are so polite and eager to please,'' Vilsack said. "

Hey Ms, Vilsack, we southerners are always polite to a fault, even to idiots. But in reality, it is just civil discourse and a facade to try and prevent unpleasant confrontations, even to those we intensely dislike.

Soyutherners say, "ain't that nice" so we don't have to say. what a total bitch you really are.

Or like my old Airedale from decades ago. Normally the most pleasant and mild mannered dog one could ask for, always ready for a romp and play with other dogs. But, If the another canine should show aggression, he was a terrible sight to behold. He knew no fear, would go to fighting unconcerned as to wounds inflicted upon him until he got a death grip on his opponent. If not then literally pried off with a stick between his jaws, the other dog was killed. He did it twice, once to a big German shepard, and then to an even larger malamute in Alaska.

So miss priss, don't be deceived by the apparent overt politeness of others, you may be in for a rude awakening.


35 posted on 07/26/2004 8:24:19 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: HalfFull

I was once stopped for speeding by a Mississippi State Trooper. We had to communicate in sign language. Guy was black, but I think anyone with a thick enough drawl is hard to understand.

Maybe Southerners like it that way. :)


36 posted on 07/26/2004 8:24:21 AM PDT by Oschisms
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To: HalfFull
Christie:

We don't care how you talk up north, Yankee.

CD

37 posted on 07/26/2004 8:26:34 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: HalfFull

If they had to look back ten years to find something bad to say about her - she must be a pretty decent person.


38 posted on 07/26/2004 8:30:17 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: HalfFull
"she couldn't understand them."

It has nothing to do with their accents, Christie.

39 posted on 07/26/2004 8:33:42 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated. Thank you, President Bush.)
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To: HalfFull

Nah, she's not clueless. She's absolutely right. That's why we shouldn't elect Kerry (an Easterner) and Edwards (a Southerner). Works for me! :-)


40 posted on 07/26/2004 8:38:17 AM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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I think her arrogance is what offends people. Her attitude that she doesn't have an accent or dialect, everyone else does. That she speaks decent English, and that anyone she can't understand automatically doesn'

That is it exactly.

41 posted on 07/26/2004 8:46:51 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: Al B.

A Virginian, bump....ya'll


42 posted on 07/26/2004 8:51:12 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Soyutherners say, "ain't that nice" so we don't have to say. what a total bitch you really are.

And remember, if a Southerner ever says, "Well, bless your heart!"...well, hehe, maybe we'll just keep that'un a secret from all those Yankees and Damnyankees. :)

Wonder if Ms. Vilsack was the only one in the theater not laughing at Frances McDormand's accent in "Fargo"? Ooooh, yaaah, you betcha.

}:-)4

43 posted on 07/26/2004 8:52:27 AM PDT by Moose4 (When all else fails, read the instructions. But ONLY after all else fails.)
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To: ladyjane

Are you suggesting she has grown....or is 10-20-30- yr old records reserved for Republicans.....sy GW's payroll records. Can't have it both ways honey.


44 posted on 07/26/2004 8:52:55 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Redbob

I think she is refering to blacks that can speak standard english and jive or ebonics when necessary. Kind of like "when in Rome, do as the Romans". But I think Bill Cosby was talking about blacks that cannot speak anything but ebonics or jive.
This sounds like someone that understands her audience and adjusts accordingly.


45 posted on 07/26/2004 8:54:56 AM PDT by rave123
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To: HalfFull

Great work Dim's
Keep p%%%%%g people of like that
And watch W win


46 posted on 07/26/2004 8:59:21 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: HalfFull

True story: In 1989, a friend and I were coming back from Spring Break in Florida, and stopped at a KFC along Interstate 75 in Valdosta, Georgia, for lunch. We ended up in line behind four college guys with Illinois sweatshirts.

The perky, cute, very efficient black lady behind the register took one of the frat boys' orders, then looked up at him, smiled sweetly, and said, in the thickest south Georgia drawl I had EVER heard, "Would yew lahk a beeeskit wif thayut?"

He looked at the poor girl like she was speaking Klingon. All he could say was, "Uh, what?"

Unfazed, she repeated the question. "Would yew lahk a beeeskit wif thayut!"

He just stared at her. Fortunately, I'm bilingual--I speak Southern *and* English (although being a native Virginian, a south Georgia dialect is very different). I tapped him on the shoulder and said, "Dude, she wants to know if you want a biscuit with that."

She nodded vigorously, still smiling.

Fifteen years later and it still cracks me up.

There's no sweeter sound to these unreconstructed ears than a Southern accent, be it Virginia foothills, south Georgia plains, or Texas desert.

}:-)4


47 posted on 07/26/2004 8:59:47 AM PDT by Moose4 (When all else fails, read the instructions. But ONLY after all else fails.)
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``When I ask for directions, I can't understand the slurred speech of southern Americans, who are so polite and eager to please,'' Vilsack said.

She probably got lost when that eager to please "southern American" said, "Down the road 'bouta mile' and turn left at the Pigly Wigly.

48 posted on 07/26/2004 9:00:34 AM PDT by HalfFull
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To: HalfFull

No, no. Remember, we Southerners always give directions based on where things *used* to be.

"Well, lemme see...y'all turn 'round, turn left outta this lot, go 'bout a mile over t'where th' Harris Teeter was, turn raht, g'down t'whar Ed's Body Shop wuz till it burnt down last month, turn left, when y'get t'that shoppin' center they used'ta call Eastgate, turn raht and y'all'l be headin' raht for yer hotel!"

}:-)4


49 posted on 07/26/2004 9:05:27 AM PDT by Moose4 (When all else fails, read the instructions. But ONLY after all else fails.)
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To: Moose4
"Would yew lahk a beeeskit wif thayut!"

Being from Va. myself, it amazes me that folks just cannot understand plain english!

50 posted on 07/26/2004 9:05:48 AM PDT by HalfFull
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