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Was There Another 9/11 Attack on Wall Street?
NRO ^ | July 26, 2004 | Alexander Rose

Posted on 07/26/2004 2:37:35 PM PDT by swilhelm73

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1 posted on 07/26/2004 2:37:36 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: swilhelm73

i'm glad


2 posted on 07/26/2004 2:48:46 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: swilhelm73
The commissioners, basing their findings upon exhaustive research of millions of transactions by the Securities and Exchange Commission, note that "some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation." Moreover, "the trading had no connection with 9/11." So what happened? "A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6." This same institution, as part of a complex trading strategy, also purchased 115,000 shares of AMR on September 10. But what about the spike in AMR puts trading on September 10? It turns out that a "U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9...recommended these trades." Readers jumped in headfirst come Monday morning, only to strike it tragically lucky the next day.

Note that NOTHING is this quote is sourced or referenced:

NO name of the "U.S.-based options trading letter"

NO cite that shows they move markets like this in other instances

NO name for the "single U.S.-based institutional investor" that supposedly bought the options.

The fact the investment newsletter isn't named, the issue of that latter cited, nor any quote from that issue given, leads me to believe this is pure coverup. If you believe this, you might also believe a third-tier casino in an obscure corner of California can afford to pay 14 random Syrians to fly here from Lebanon and play a two-night gig.

The message here?

Go to sleeeeeep sheeeeple. Go to sleeeeep.

3 posted on 07/26/2004 3:02:47 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_

I agree -- 'go to sleep, do not worry." I know I heard that Osama had invested in the insurance co that insured the WTC -- and I don't believe this report FOR A MINUTE.


4 posted on 07/26/2004 3:20:22 PM PDT by bboop
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To: swilhelm73
I would like to see how much George Soros made from his positions because of Sept 11.
5 posted on 07/26/2004 3:27:11 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: swilhelm73

WHITEWASH!!! There HAD to be something to this.


6 posted on 07/26/2004 3:43:31 PM PDT by Claire Voyant ((visualize whirled peas))
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To: swilhelm73

Note to Homeland Security...

Watch for large 'put' options in transportation issues
as an early warning of an attack.

And freeze any profits when those alarms go off until the
persons doing the options are cleared.


7 posted on 07/26/2004 4:02:29 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: zelig

ping


8 posted on 07/26/2004 4:03:51 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: swilhelm73
try inputting "Buy 4,500 AMR October Puts" on E*Trade without getting a quizzical call from the broker.

I disagree with that statement, I know people routinely trading that amount.

9 posted on 07/26/2004 4:21:32 PM PDT by fso301
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To: eno_
Note that NOTHING is this quote is sourced or referenced:

It doesn't even matter if there are sources.

With short interest up 40 percent, a trader might reasonably presume "the herd" is getting in over its head. Eventually those short-sellers will have to buy their shares back. Bad news goes only so far. So you go long on the pummled stock.

On the other side of the trade, you do a hedge with (presumably) cheap UAL puts. We don't have the actual and exact numbers here, but it looks like they were September puts and out-of-money (meaning they'll get dramatically cheaper every day if they don't reach the strike).

Cheap insurance on a bear raid.

Makes sense to me.

10 posted on 07/26/2004 4:30:16 PM PDT by angkor
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To: eno_
I agree. It's not credible; extraordinary explanations need extraordinary proof, and it is just not here.

The simple explanation is foreknowledge; it's up to the creator of a "it was all happenstance" theory to actual cite all of his key evidence. As you say, there are no cites, so there is no proof.

11 posted on 07/26/2004 7:54:45 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: fso301
4500 contracts is a fair number of contracts in a single go. [I have to admit, though, I am curious how long it takes him to get these trades through? Does he just put up ladders and let people nibble away, or is he using sophisticated program trading to automatically put the orders in small chunks or what? I cannot imagine that the traders wouldn't eat him alive if he just drops market orders in at this kind of size.]

The current position limit on AMR is 75,000 contracts. Individual trades at 4500 contracts probably weren't hitting any position limits back in 2001, though I don't where to find that kind of historical position limit information.

But the recent average volume for AMR is only 4,500,000 shares, or 45,000 options contracts equivalent, so assuming the volumes are roughly the same today, trading 4500 contracts would be equivalent to trading 10% of the daily volume. That's a reasonable chunk, and that would get any broker's attention; you are starting to run into other limits when you are getting into that kind of size, certainly if we are talking about retail customers.

12 posted on 07/26/2004 8:28:51 PM PDT by snowsislander
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Actually, I need to qualify my statement. I know people who routinely trade 4500 contracts in a single company but not in AMR.

Most I've done was 1000.

13 posted on 07/26/2004 9:00:34 PM PDT by fso301
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To: snowsislander
That's a reasonable chunk, and that would get any broker's attention; you are starting to run into other limits when you are getting into that kind of size, certainly if we are talking about retail customers.

They say it wasn't retail but some institution using a "sophisticated" hedge.

But it looks pretty simple: long on a short-pummled AMR, and the UAL puts as a hedge.

14 posted on 07/27/2004 3:34:08 AM PDT by angkor
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To: swilhelm73
Came across this old thread last night: Profits of Doom.
15 posted on 07/27/2004 9:23:13 AM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Ares does not spare the good, but the bad.)
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To: angkor

It's a plausible story, but so are 1000 other stories.

The problem with the story is lack of facts.

The investment letter isn't named, much less quoted.

The investor isn't named.

The broker isn't named.

All of that smells to high heaven. How can the reporter be sure of these facts and omit to name names?


16 posted on 07/27/2004 9:41:40 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
All of that smells to high heaven. How can the reporter be sure of these facts and omit to name names?

This is a National Review report which is in turn using the 9/11 Commission report as its source.

If you're arguing that the NR reporter should have gone out and validated every assertion in the Commission report (including the discovery of unnamed sources), that's fine. But so far I've seen many assertions in the 9/11 report where sources are unnamed (presumably for investigatory, intelligence, or even privacy reasons). Should every single unnamed source and assertion in the report be questioned on that basis?

NR is just taking at face value the Commission explanation from the appendix, and fleshing it out with some explanatory reporting. Just as I've done with my own scenario, above.

So we have plausible trading scenarios which are (a) partially explained and (b) make sense. I'd say those stack up pretty well against an insider-trading scenario which is implausible on any number of practical grounds.

17 posted on 07/28/2004 5:27:46 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
Should every single unnamed source and assertion in the report be questioned on that basis?

If they are a matter of public record and have nothing to do with intelligence-gathering, yes - yes they should be named and quoted in detail.

Do you trust the 9/11 report not to include cover-ups? If not, you should insist on knowing which investment newsletter made this reccomendation.

You should insist on knowing if such reccomendations moved markets that much in the past.

You should insist on knowling who bought the options.

The whole piont is that the episode smells very very bad. It still smells very very bad. Until we know who reccomended and who bought, it will continue to smell very very bad.

18 posted on 07/28/2004 7:35:16 AM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: eno_
The whole piont is that the episode smells very very bad.

To you, obviously.

To someone who's trying to setup a bear raid against weeks of accumulating short selling, it smells like a hedge strategy.

And by the way, it worked, in exactly the way a hedge is supposed to work when options are employed as a hedge.

The company in question went long on a short-beaten sector stock, while putting up short insurance (via puts) simultaneously.

19 posted on 07/28/2004 10:05:48 AM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

"So we have plausible trading scenarios which are (a) partially explained and (b) make sense. I'd say those stack up pretty well against an insider-trading scenario which is implausible on any number of practical grounds."

Badeye's Rule on Conspiracy Theories:

The more complicated the Conspiracy, the less likely its real.

This is very very complicated.....


20 posted on 07/28/2004 10:13:21 AM PDT by Badeye ("The day you stop learning, is the day you begin dying")
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