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7-26-04 | Bob J

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:41:11 PM PDT by Bob J

The last few months I've seen an increasing trend for FReepers to start going for each others jugular. Sometimes we forget (I've certainly done it myself) that in the grand scheme of things, we are on the same team. We may disagree on priorities or how far we are willing to go, but we have enough enemy in the left without creating more amongst ourselves. We can disagree but be civil to each other. We can debate nuance, but not believe that our personal positions are more important than the health of the whole. Let's argue vigorously but remind ourselves the guy whose trachia we are ripping out today may be sitting next to us in a foxhole tommorrow.

I'm going to propose that we all make a new start. Let's put all past differences behind us and resolve to band together and fight the good fight, the elimination of liberalism as a significant culturual influence in America...and see that to its end in our lifetimes.

If you agree, please post your thoughts and ping your lists and your friends to this thread.


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To: Bob J
Bless me Bob for I have flamed.
My last post was a few days ago.

I have committed the sin of name calling.
I have questioned the sincerity of others.
I have questioned the intelligence of others.
I have questioned the biological legitimacy of others.
I have look at bad pictures that will make me go blind.

What is my penance?

701 posted on 07/27/2004 7:59:01 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: AppyPappy
Still not safe to post this. Ya mean it will be safe to post comments favorable to that pro-life, pro-American jobs, anti-illegal immigration, anti-troops-for-foreign-wars, truth telling, America first conservative Buchanan?
702 posted on 07/27/2004 8:04:20 AM PDT by ex-snook ("BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, TRUTH BEARETH AWAY THE VICTORY")
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To: Mudboy Slim
Heaven? Me? Valhalla maybe. We'll see if I meet the criteria.

Something we can all agree on. Libertarian, Constitution Party. Or hardcore "Bush is the second, or third, coming of the Christ" GOP'er.


703 posted on 07/27/2004 8:06:55 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: ex-snook

It's never safe to lie.


704 posted on 07/27/2004 8:07:50 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Dane
"The way you sarcastically said BushGod."

Fair 'nuff, that was sarcastic and unfair to charge BushBackers with deifying the POTUS.

"God forbid someone supports one of the candidates that can actually win. We all know that Bush isn't perfect, and the world isn't perfect, either, but Bush is 1000 times better than Kerry, that is a given. And just because someone supports a candidate doesn't mean they see that person as a a "god"."

Alright then...but I've been very good about not labeling Dubyuh's supporters as "BushBOTS" or the like and have refrained from chastising folks for supporting Dubyuh. Despite my vote being up fer grabs at the moment, I have not belittled folks who support Bush becuz the "He's the best potential Commander-in-Chief in the race" argument is sound and defensible. Usually where I get a bit frustrated is when folks slander me for insisting that we urge Dubyuh to move to the Right on domestic spending. Bush should not be above Constructive Criticism, imho, as I sincerely believe his second term can be much more successful than his first (which I agree has been quite successful on many fronts) if his supporters rally around his moves to the Right and if we let him know our displeasure when he's drifted too far to the Left.

If those of us on the Right all give Dubyuh our Unconditional Support, who can blame Bush/Rove for writing off our concerns and catering to the Milquetoast Moderate portion of the electorate? My critiques of Dubyuh have always been intended to be Constructive.

FReegards...MUD

705 posted on 07/27/2004 8:10:52 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Bob J

You suck!!!!!







(I kid . . . )


706 posted on 07/27/2004 8:13:19 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: AppyPappy
"It's never safe to lie. "

Good one! Are you still a Bush supporter?

707 posted on 07/27/2004 8:15:05 AM PDT by ex-snook ("BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, TRUTH BEARETH AWAY THE VICTORY")
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To: Dead Corpse
Yes, Libertarians, ConstitutionPartiers and GOPers can all agree that Hanoi John F'in Kerry is UNFIT to be Commander-in-Chief!!

FReegards...MUD

BTW...Valhalla, eh?! Isn't that where Thor gathers all the great warriors in the AfterLife?

708 posted on 07/27/2004 8:19:42 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: dubyaismypresident

LOL


709 posted on 07/27/2004 8:20:52 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: ex-snook
Who's Pat Buchanan?! Didn't he usedta be a RightWinger before he became a LeftWinger before he became whatever he is now?

LOL...MUD

710 posted on 07/27/2004 8:22:39 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim

bttt


711 posted on 07/27/2004 8:23:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: Bob J

I'd like to clear the air about why I can't respect conservativism as much as I'd like to.

When you look at the good bits of social conservativism - personal responsibility, individuality - it looks a lot better than liberalism. Yet both ideologies have their streak of social control through legislation as their answer.

Liberals may seem to want everything to be "okay", but they use the courts to suppress behavior they don't like. The same goes for conservatives. It all hinges on their goals and personal belief systems.

Personally, I want laws to exist. I just wonder if we need so many of them. I don't want the right to murder, rape, burn down buildings, steal anything, or be a Congressman; therefore, anarchy isn't my goal.


712 posted on 07/27/2004 8:24:26 AM PDT by The Libertarian Dude (Why, if we can just pass a few more laws, we can ALL be criminals! - J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)
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To: Lazamataz
You posted that, so I looked. I don't have any freepmail.

The post wasn't to you, it was to MeekOneGOP. But, if it makes you "feel" better... look now.;)

713 posted on 07/27/2004 8:24:43 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (“John Kerry has fought harder for the Vietnamese communists than he fought against them in Vietnam.”)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
"What is my penance?"

Gimme a half-dozen "Hail_Dubyuh's" and try to sin no more...MUD

714 posted on 07/27/2004 8:25:51 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: exhaustedmomma

I ain't got one still. :o(


715 posted on 07/27/2004 8:26:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Bob J

PING


716 posted on 07/27/2004 8:27:36 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: Lazamataz

HEY! You opus welcher. What are you doing here? See if I -ever- post to you again.


717 posted on 07/27/2004 8:28:31 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Former fetus.)
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To: Lazamataz

I mean it.


718 posted on 07/27/2004 8:28:49 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Former fetus.)
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Who's Pat Buchanan?! Didn't he usedta be a RightWinger before he became a LeftWinger before he became whatever he is now?"

Glad to help out on your question. Pat is an America fist, pro-life, pro-American jobs, anti-illegal immigration, anti-troops-for-foreign-wars, truth telling, conservative.

719 posted on 07/27/2004 8:28:56 AM PDT by ex-snook ("BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, TRUTH BEARETH AWAY THE VICTORY")
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To: Rebelbase

really


720 posted on 07/27/2004 8:29:05 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Former fetus.)
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To: Rebelbase
No, I've opused.

Really.

721 posted on 07/27/2004 8:30:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Lazamataz

Im not talking to you.


722 posted on 07/27/2004 8:31:16 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Former fetus.)
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To: Lazamataz

hmmmmm... hang on, ***HUG*** on the way!! slow mail delivery, I guess. :)


723 posted on 07/27/2004 8:34:16 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (“John Kerry has fought harder for the Vietnamese communists than he fought against them in Vietnam.”)
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To: ex-snook
"Pat is an America first, (aka protectionist) pro-life, pro-American jobs, anti-illegal immigration, (all very conservative positions) anti-troops-for-foreign-wars, (was he against WWI and WWII, too?) truth telling, conservative."

Thanks fer that clarification, my GoPatGoerFRiend...then what was his deal with the Reform Party?! You know, when he selected a Leftist as his running mate...do you reckon he split his ticket so as to discourage taking votes away from Dubyuh in 2000? If so, it seems like his plan worked like a charm as he didn't really take votes away from anybody while destroying the Reform Party as a viable entity.

FReegards...MUD

724 posted on 07/27/2004 8:35:30 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
"Thanks fer that clarification, my GoPatGoerFRiend...then what was his deal with the Reform Party?! You know, when he selected a Leftist as his running mate..."

Psst. In the interest of truth, justice and the American way, Pat's running mate was Mrs. Foster a pro-life black conservative.

In 2000, Pat was the America first, pro-life, pro-American jobs, anti-illegal immigration, anti-troops-for-foreign-wars, truth telling, conservative. He is not a Democrat or Republican, he is a Conservative.

Isn't the site friendlier now with civil discussion?

725 posted on 07/27/2004 8:48:01 AM PDT by ex-snook ("BUT ABOVE ALL THINGS, TRUTH BEARETH AWAY THE VICTORY")
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To: Mudboy Slim
Valhalla, eh?! Isn't that where Thor gathers all the great warriors in the AfterLife?

Thor. No. Odin, yes. Whether I meassure up to join the Einheriar will be a matter of time to tell that tale.

726 posted on 07/27/2004 8:48:53 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: fooman
Roger that.

regards,

727 posted on 07/27/2004 8:51:21 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Fnord!)
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To: Bob J

I unsubbed from the FR PA state thread because the Toomey supporters jumped all over anyone who disagreed with them and they were brutal, rude and crass in their comments. It was sickening.


728 posted on 07/27/2004 8:54:25 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: Rebelbase
I'm not talking to you.

THAT'S it. I am SO out of here. GOODBYE FOREVER

729 posted on 07/27/2004 8:55:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Mudboy Slim

I'm not posting here any more.


730 posted on 07/27/2004 8:55:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Bob J

Wow... You re lucky I don't keep old threads around for the 'I Told You' dance. :)


731 posted on 07/27/2004 8:58:43 AM PDT by Daus
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To: Bob J
There are debates about sometimes minute details (I'd say nuances, but that term has been sullied by the Kerry campaign), which I consider healthy. Then there are those who take any comment (not even a critical comment) as an attack. To them I just say "goodbye". Life is too short to waste. There are actual debates here which are quite worthwhile. Mostly I ignore nitpickers. Ad hominem I will condemn (y'know, if it's directed at me).

IOW, in short, I agree with you for the most part. That's my nuanced response. Have we met here? Just curious.

732 posted on 07/27/2004 8:59:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
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To: Bob J

Is this the part where we all hold hands and sing Kumbyah, or would 'We Shall Overcome' be more appropriate?

"Can't we all just get along?"

Rodney King


733 posted on 07/27/2004 9:36:46 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Bob J

Well I think the main problem is the half ass comments from all those damnyankees on the civil war threads. They can't be at all civil, like all the decent folks, and good old boys like we have in the South.


734 posted on 07/27/2004 9:48:05 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: Howlin
Can't we all just get along?

I'll have a Long Island iced tea.

Isn't that what Rodney said?

No, I believe Rodney said, "Can't we all just get a bong?"

735 posted on 07/27/2004 9:48:13 AM PDT by An American In Dairyland (Have you forgotten?)
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To: An American In Dairyland

Rodney King didn't want to get along with nobody until the police beat the stuffings out of him.


736 posted on 07/27/2004 9:51:21 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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To: Bob J

At the risk of getting attacked for this, may I suggest the following (minimal) honor system:

1. If you are a conservative (like I am) and have sneered at what you call RINO, just make a passing reference in the future to those in the Republican party that don't share your conservative views without the sneer. Likewise, if you are more moderate and don't share the views of Conservative Christians, just make that reference and go on. Better, try to convince the other side that your views are correct through argument and analysis, not sneering or backhanded comments.

2. Don't argue like a liberal: i.e., get emotional, name call (no matter how benign), and try to change the subject. Comparing what someone else did to show hypocrisy is a bit overused, and is often just changing the subject to avoid dealing with the errors of argument.

3. On criminal matters such as the Peterson deal, please stick with known or reported facts and if you must speculate, make clear what you are saying is speculation. Nobody (and yes, I mean NOBODY) on this forum knows exactly what happened to Laci Peterson (for example), so let's have some respect for our justice system and not jump to conclusions that just because a person is charged, he or she is guilty. Once all the evidence comes out, there will be plenty of time for the "got away with it" if that is what happened.

4. Don't accuse someone of being a troll. If they have a valid point, debate it. If not, either ignore it or say its invalid. Who cares what the motives of someone posting nonsense here is. If its nonsense, it isn't worth your time.

5. Don't make excuses for bad or dishonest behavior regardless of the political views of those committing such behavior.

6. Remember that the general sentiment on this forum is that, regardless of faults, it is better to have a George Bush as President even if he allows too much spending (for example), than a Democrat of any kind. If you can not, on principle, vote for a candidate that doesn't share all or most of your views (or one view that you consider of great importance), fine -- that's your opinion. Support it with analysis and not ad hominem. For those of use who think this "principled" only view is wrong, lets all understand that it is based on principle and we should at least understand that regardless of whether we agree with it or not, that is admirable.

7. Searches for previous posts on the same subject to avoid duplicate posting is not always successful. If there is something posted elsewhere, point that out, but don't accuse the poster of not searching before posting. How about a standard "This has been posted here (link) as well, if you want additional comment."

Finally, if someone's analysis is clearly based on erroneous information, correct them on the information and ask them to reevaluate their position. Don't say, "why don't you get educated before posting that dreck, dumb-$%#." In 24 hour news cycles, information flows free, fast, and sometimes its wrong. Give posters the benefit of the doubt and at least a chance to correct themselves. If they don't, then you will have plenty of time to respond.

Flame away.


737 posted on 07/27/2004 9:59:53 AM PDT by 1L
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To: An American In Dairyland

I see.

And all this time I thought he said "Can't we all just get a Long Island iced tea."

:-)


738 posted on 07/27/2004 10:01:25 AM PDT by Howlin (Free the 2000 Millenium Report!!!!!)
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To: An American In Dairyland

Actually, Rodney said "OUCH!!OOOF! Stop...OW!! hitting me".


739 posted on 07/27/2004 10:02:14 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: VaBthang4
[Disclaimer: Loserdopians,

Did you know that Ronald Reagan called libertarianism the heart and soul of conservatism?

740 posted on 07/27/2004 10:12:43 AM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: ex-snook
"He is not a Democrat or Republican, he is a Conservative."

Protectionism is not Conservative, nor is a stick-yer-head-in-the-sand foreign policy. I usedta read Buchanan regularly, but his brand of Conservatism has come to vary greatly from my own.

FReegards...MUD

BTW...it's water under the bridge, but Ms. Foster was NO Conservative, imho.

741 posted on 07/27/2004 10:12:55 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Dead Corpse
"Whether I meassure up to join the Einheriar..."

I reckon we all must have our Goals and Aspirations, and I hope you attain yers.

FReegards...MUD

742 posted on 07/27/2004 10:16:00 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Bob J

I've been coming here for 5-6 years and can't remember a time when there wasn't a lot of "domestic violence" going on. That's because there are different kinds of conservatives with different values and agendas: free-market conservatives, Constitutionalists, evangelical Christians, libertarians, traditionalist Catholics, isolationists, neo-cons, Buchananites, 2nd Amendment people, and so on (not to mention trolls and disruptors). I think the disagreements are healthy if the language doesn't go too far into the gutter or become personal in a nasty way.


743 posted on 07/27/2004 10:16:36 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Ciexyz
"It was sickening."

So was the Bush Administration's inexplicable support of the lowlife RINO Specter...MUD

744 posted on 07/27/2004 10:17:32 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Lazamataz
"I'm not posting here any more."

Me, too...if I can't be a mean, nasty, sarcastic sumbich, I'll take my talents elsewhere.

Harrruuummmmppphhhh...MUD

BTW...but what if THEY start talkin' behind our backs?! We gotta defend our Honor, don't we?

745 posted on 07/27/2004 10:19:57 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Mudboy Slim
BTW...but what if THEY start talkin' behind our backs?! We gotta defend our Honor, don't we?

Fork 'em. I'd like a little peek into THEIR lives.

746 posted on 07/27/2004 10:21:29 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: Steve_Seattle
"...there are different kinds of conservatives with different values and agendas: free-market conservatives, Constitutionalists, evangelical Christians, libertarians, traditionalist Catholics, isolationists, neo-cons, Buchananites, 2nd Amendment people, and so on (not to mention trolls and disruptors). I think the disagreements are healthy if the language doesn't go too far into the gutter or become personal in a nasty way."

Well said...MUD

747 posted on 07/27/2004 10:21:45 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Lazamataz
Hey!! I thought you weren't posting here anymore...LOL!!

FReegards...MUD

748 posted on 07/27/2004 10:22:42 AM PDT by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: Bob J

bump (with a LITTLE 'B')

:)


749 posted on 07/27/2004 10:42:01 AM PDT by jtminton (<--Click here for new pictures!)
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To: Commander8; Bob J

"I completely understand what you're saying, but there are people around here whose sole purpose for joining this site is to cause trouble and create chaos."

That's the way I see it. And some of them have been here for years, post nothing personal on their home page, not even a location. They follow many of us around just to be annoying. They care nothing of outing corruption, only in protecting a stock portfolio or government job. They are a bigger pain and more dangerous than any liberal.


750 posted on 07/27/2004 10:55:21 AM PDT by AuntB ("You are entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own set of facts.’ R.Reagan)
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