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Iran starts atom tests in defiance of EU deal
telegraph ^ | 7/26/04

Posted on 07/26/2004 7:47:41 PM PDT by knak

Iran has broken the seals on nuclear equipment monitored by United Nations inspectors and is once again building and testing machines that could make fissile material for nuclear weapons.

Teheran's move, revealed to The Daily Telegraph yesterday by western sources, breaks a deal with European countries under which Iran suspended "all uranium enrichment activity".

It will also exacerbate fears that the regional power is determined to make an atomic bomb within a few years.

Enrichment is the most controversial part of Iran's "peaceful" nuclear programme because the same technology used to make low-enriched uranium to fuel nuclear reactors can be used to refine material for bombs.

America has in recent weeks renewed its call for Iran to be referred to the UN Security Council for possible sanctions.

However, diplomats said senior officials from the "EU-3" - Britain, France and Germany - would try to coax Teheran back to the path of co-operation at a secret meeting in Paris on Thursday.

Their chances of success seem slim, however, because Teheran now appears to have calculated that America is paralysed by the presidential election campaign and that Europe is too divided to exert real pressure.

Western sources said Iranian officials last month reclaimed equipment for uranium enrichment centrifuges sealed by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The centrifuges separate the fissile isotope U235.

In what may be a further escalation, some western sources said Iran was carrying out its threat to begin producing uranium hexafluoride, the gas fed into the centrifuges, but the claim could not be corroborated last night.

Under a deal reached with the EU-3 in October, Iran agreed to come clean about its nuclear programme and announced it would suspend "temporarily" all uranium enrichment as a confidence-building measure.

However, Iran interpreted this to mean only that it would not introduce gas into the centrifuges while remaining free to build and test them.

Under a deal in February, the EU-3 closed this loophole when Iran accepted a wider definition of "suspension" - and it is this "Brussels agreement" which has collapsed.

Angered by the IAEA's condemnation last month of repeated failures to reveal all about its nuclear programme, Hassan Rowhani, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, wrote to the EU-3 saying his country would resume manufacture, assembly and testing of centrifuges.

Iran argues that its nuclear programme is designed solely to generate electricity for civilian use.

It argues that it is entitled to enrich uranium under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and insists that the suspension deal was a voluntary agreement that could be revoked.

America believes that a succession of reports by IAEA inspectors "revealing that Iran [has lied] systematically for 18 years and has yet to answer many troubling questions about its activities" provide ample evidence that Teheran has violated the treaty.

Inspectors have found that Iran made small quantities of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium.

Teheran has yet to explain the origin of highly-enriched uranium "contamination" detected at several sites.

Nor has it revealed the extent of its more sophisticated "P2" centrifuge programme that only came to light this year, with the unravelling of the "nuclear supermarket" operated by the disgraced Pakistani nuclear scientist, AQ Khan.

British officials say they have no illusions about Iran's intentions, but have hitherto advocated patient diplomacy.

They want to allow inspectors to keep working to "box in" the Iranians to the point where they either give up nuclear weapons ambitions or commit such a blatant violation that the West can win international support for sanctions.

"Iran has resumed research and testing, and every day that passes means it gets closer to mastering the technology," said one western source.

"If the Europeans think they can outfox the Iranians in the carpet bazaar, they are deeply mistaken."


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1 posted on 07/26/2004 7:47:42 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak

I wonder when will be the proper time to demonstrate nuclear chain reactions to Iran?


2 posted on 07/26/2004 7:55:58 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: knak

Time for Israel to make their move..


3 posted on 07/26/2004 7:58:08 PM PDT by marvlus
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To: marvlus
Time for Israel to make their move..

Not just yet.

Wait until there is plenty of high level waste and byproducts to spread around.

4 posted on 07/26/2004 8:03:37 PM PDT by null and void (Nurieek, rotut, hernunger...)
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To: knak; DoctorZIn

ping


5 posted on 07/26/2004 8:04:41 PM PDT by Calpernia ("People never like what they don't understand")
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To: knak

I am sure European diplomacy will convince the Iranians to see the error of their ways.

(just kidding)


6 posted on 07/26/2004 8:05:28 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: knak

Somebody's just gonna have to break their toys...


7 posted on 07/26/2004 8:05:39 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: knak

Now what would they possibly need U-235 for....
Hmmmm.......


8 posted on 07/26/2004 8:07:06 PM PDT by Freesofar ( Rich Socialist congressman & Crooked Trial Lawyer vs Successful President & Expert Advisor tough)
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To: rageaholic

If they build nuke devices that would show intent, but there is a line between intent and actual use. We have nukes, too, for example and have the intent to use, but we haven't used them since WW II. If they cross the line and use them, we will break their toys.


9 posted on 07/26/2004 8:09:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: knak

Here we go...


10 posted on 07/26/2004 8:11:58 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: knak
...Teheran now appears to have calculated that America is paralysed by the presidential election campaign and that Europe is too divided to exert real pressure.

This is where the IDF should pick up the ball and run with it.

11 posted on 07/26/2004 8:13:08 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: knak

But WAIT!! I thought the United Nations was GOODDDDD and could and does control everything and everyone!!

So you mean these people aren't honest when it comes to thier weapons intended to kill lots-o-jews?


12 posted on 07/26/2004 8:13:15 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: RightWhale

It will be too late once they USE them...

If they USE them, we won't know until there's a mushroom cloud over NYC. Are you willing to wait until that happens before we do anything?


13 posted on 07/26/2004 8:14:33 PM PDT by Pete98
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To: knak
Here's praying tomorrow's headline is:
"Israel destroys Iranian reactor in defiance of UN"
14 posted on 07/26/2004 8:19:03 PM PDT by montag813 ("A nation can survive fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.")
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To: Pete98

Sitting here under our first ABM umbrella, I would be inclined to say we can afford to let them shoot their wad, so to speak. It is nukes not terrorists. Different game, and we have a lot of experience with the nuke game.


15 posted on 07/26/2004 8:19:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: knak
Diplomats said senior officials from the "EU-3" - Britain, France and Germany - would try to coax Teheran back to the path of co-operation at a secret meeting in Paris on Thursday.

"Coax"?? With what?

An ice cream, and letting Iran build "just a teeny-weenie nuke"?

16 posted on 07/26/2004 8:20:56 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: knak

"If the Europeans think they can outfox the Iranians in the carpet bazaar, they are deeply mistaken."

Good line......he's right


17 posted on 07/26/2004 8:21:08 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.)
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To: Pete98

Look also at the Pakistan/India example. They were at the stage of imminent war until they nukified their forces. Now they are standing down, warily.


18 posted on 07/26/2004 8:21:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: knak
scream it from the mountain tops: The UN is impotent in the
face of rogue dictators, terrorists, nuclear blackmail, and
any other global threat that may require backbone.

and this, of course, is the same bunch of clowns that kerry
wants to trust our very future to.
19 posted on 07/26/2004 8:22:52 PM PDT by smonk
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To: knak

Gee, the terrorists lied. Well, I didn't see THAT coming. NOT!


20 posted on 07/26/2004 8:26:57 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: smonk

The Euroweenians tried dealmaking with Hitler, too. Didn't work then, won't work now.


21 posted on 07/26/2004 8:27:02 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Democrats are the crabgrass of politics. Bush is the weedkiller.)
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To: smonk

Once again, the membership to the Neville Chamberlain Fan Club proves it is incapable of repeating history.


22 posted on 07/26/2004 8:28:08 PM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: Common Sense 101

Once again, the membership to the Neville Chamberlain Fan Club proves it is incapable of NOT repeating history.

Sorry... Must be past my bedtime.


23 posted on 07/26/2004 8:29:15 PM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: RightWhale

*sigh*

If Iran hits us with a nuke, it won't be fired, it will be smuggled in, possibly across the Mexican or Canadian borders. Our ABM systems will be useless.


24 posted on 07/26/2004 8:30:42 PM PDT by Pete98
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To: Pete98
Does that mean the NYT would be no longer??? Hmmm...let me think...so tempting.......what to do???
25 posted on 07/26/2004 8:33:32 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pssst. I have it on the best authority that Allah has run out of virgins. Spread the word.)
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To: Pete98

Well, then, if they smuggle one or more in for a sneak attack, we will break all their toys. If somebody else tries to take advantage while we are trying to bring relief to the place or places hit by such a sneak attack, we will break all their toys, too. That is how the nuke game is played. I spent some of my working career making sure we could indeed break all their toys, and we will be able to do so.


26 posted on 07/26/2004 8:36:06 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Pete98

using nukes isnt useful. everyone loses. its the active non-use of held nukes that iran wants in on. israel doesnt have to fire these weapons to feel their benefit.

nukes make you uninvadeable. noone is going to push you to extinction or defeat because you have the power to take them with you.

iran doesnt want nukes to use, it wants them so the usa cannot invade them.


27 posted on 07/26/2004 8:39:22 PM PDT by sweneop
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To: nuconvert
Yup. Wasn't it just two months ago when chIraq puffed and preened so boasting how diplomacy had won the day and Iran would fully cooperate with Old Europe and the UN. What a bunch of dumba$$e$! He is such a conceited donkey. What a useless girlie-man. And to think Skerry wants us to cozy up to this fellow. Unbelievable poor judgment and about 40+% of likely voters will cast their ballot for this moron.
28 posted on 07/26/2004 8:42:29 PM PDT by Chgogal (Pssst. I have it on the best authority that Allah has run out of virgins. Spread the word.)
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To: knak
Iran starts atom tests in defiance of EU deal

Iran ensures its doom.
29 posted on 07/26/2004 8:49:32 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: RightWhale
Hint: An attempt to make a nuclear bomb + a radical Islamic regime with a long and deep history of supporting terrorism = more than adequate to justify pre-emption in self-defense. Really, the open question is not can we do it, nor is it should we do it, but rather will we do it?
30 posted on 07/26/2004 8:55:57 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: thoughtomator

They aren't 'tupid. They know if they scare us enough we will nuke them to the grubs and berries stage. We have done it before and will do it again.


31 posted on 07/26/2004 8:59:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: rageaholic
Somebody's just gonna have to break their toys...

And; if Doofus-Dork-Lurch sits in the Oval Office in January; whom do you think will assume this responsibility? ... Rhetorical question of course. If Lurch is elected, this country is TOAST.

I'm gettin' too old for this.

32 posted on 07/26/2004 9:01:43 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: RightWhale
When you're dealing with religious fanatics, that cannot be depended on. And what if a nuke goes off and nobody claims responsibility? What will we do then? It's only a matter of time, if Iran gets the bomb.
33 posted on 07/26/2004 9:02:51 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: RightWhale
If they build nuke devices that would show intent, but there is a line between intent and actual use. We have nukes, too, for example and have the intent to use, but we haven't used them since WW II. If they cross the line and use them, we will break their toys.

<>I would but the BeltWay boys wouldn't allow W or Rummy to use that ordnance. We'd pussy foot around and (well it's not a bad idea to play with the new F/A22 Raptor and other neat toys) and back off using nukes.

The entire world (with the exception of 'moi') would be in hysterics if we lit off a nuke.

Perskonally, I'd rip Mecca the next time an American is beheaded. Bing-Bang-BOOOM! Reload... /rant

34 posted on 07/26/2004 9:07:53 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: thoughtomator

That's a good question. A fair bet is that the perps would be found fairly soon. After all, nukes are special items, well researched. Each device would leave a distinctive signature pointing directly at it origin, and its path from factory to destination would be of interest to many investigative agencies.


35 posted on 07/26/2004 9:10:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: sweneop

iran doesnt want nukes to use, it wants them so the usa cannot invade them.

What causes you to think that way?

36 posted on 07/26/2004 9:17:31 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Cobra64

True, they would consider America a pariah among nations for a long time to come. That's the way it goes.


37 posted on 07/26/2004 9:20:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

I think 9/11 proved that investigating after the fact - like what happened after the first time jihadis tried to destroy the WTC, in 1993 - is not good enough. It must not be allowed to happen in the first place, not when it is every bit as predictable as the Iranians reneging on this deal with the EU.


38 posted on 07/26/2004 9:26:20 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: knak

Iran is playing with fire here. If they are not careful the UN might just pass a resolution. If they still haven't had enough, as brutal as it sounds, the UN might even issue another one. Iran had just better watch their step.


39 posted on 07/26/2004 9:42:41 PM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: fso301

they get no benefit from using them. most of the anti-usa, anti-israel stuff is simply part of the internal politics of the country. unfortunately for the mullahs, the crazed, militant part of their populace that eats up the anti-west rhetoric for dinner has been swamped by the more progressive children of the revolution in a vast population explosion. the mullahs keep screaming 'down with the usa' but the population (ESPECIALLY in tehran) is increasingly pro-west. i would guess that most mullahs are of the corrupt, self preserving variety than the overly religious, islamic jihad driven type. many iranians i know seem to have this opinion. the real religious types arent in tehran anyway, they seem to hang out in 'religious' cities like qom where they are surrounded by like minded angry young muslims. i sometimes read people here calling for nuking tehran, but thats wrong. tehran is the last place you would want to nuke in iran, because thats the pro-west heartland.

still, despite my beliefs here, who wants to take the risk? im all for bombing the reactors, but it needs to be done cleanly. we shouldnt risk the great asset that is the pro-western feeling among iranians.


40 posted on 07/26/2004 9:57:04 PM PDT by sweneop
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To: sweneop

hmmm, just to be more clear about answering your question, the mullahs on balance, are more concerned about their own power, self preservation, and regional influence after that. nukes give them power, but as soon as they use them, its all over. what the nukes gives them, once they have them, is immunity from invasion. and they KNOW about invasions.


41 posted on 07/26/2004 10:00:33 PM PDT by sweneop
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To: Paleo Conservative

"However, diplomats said senior officials from the "EU-3" - Britain, France and Germany - would try to coax Teheran back to the path of co-operation at a secret meeting in Paris on Thursday."

Have the French surrendered yet?

blessings, Bobo


42 posted on 07/26/2004 10:03:59 PM PDT by bobo1
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To: null and void
Wait until there is plenty of high level waste and byproducts to spread around.

I don't really hate the majority of Iranians. I think Bill Clinton, accompanied by Jimmy Carter and Kofi and Kojo Annan,
should lead a delegation of European diplomats, then, well...

43 posted on 07/26/2004 10:18:28 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: RightWhale
If they build nuke devices that would show intent, but there is a line between intent and actual use. If they cross the line and use them, we will break their toys.

How many hundreds of thousands of lives might your wait n' see policy cost? Give me a break. Iran one of the most oil rich countries in the world needs a reactor to generate electricity? Remember this is the country who's parliament begins and closes their sessions with "death to America." Hello?

Thanks to our superior technology, Iran does not have any effective means to deploy nuclear weapons in a conventional mode. Their only effective method of deployment is by sneak attack through terrorists.

And that's exactly what their bomb is for, and that's exactly why the West shouldn't wait before they wipe out their islamic atomic bomb factory.

44 posted on 07/27/2004 9:19:08 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic
How many hundreds of thousands of lives might your wait n' see policy cost?

We have been facing thermonuclear annihilation since the 50s. Hundreds of millions, a couple billion in minutes. Should we be worried about hundreds of thousands? This is not the Big Show.

45 posted on 07/27/2004 9:29:33 AM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
Should we be worried about hundreds of thousands?

I think the answer to that is self-evident.

This is not the Big Show

I'm sure those words will comfort the hundreds of thousands of scortched, irradiated victims gasping their last breaths under the rubble of the American or Israeli city that had to "wait and see".

46 posted on 07/27/2004 10:58:28 AM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic

Respond to the part you want the way you want. This is improv. Ignore reason and go for aesthetics. It works for Democrats.


47 posted on 07/27/2004 5:21:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale
It works for Democrats.

Your "wait and see policy" works for the Democrats too.

48 posted on 07/27/2004 6:28:46 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: rageaholic

You don't just 'wait and see' you see. You make sure the antagonist knows you fully intend to take them out if they cross the line, and they should also know you have the capability to do so. It is like 'trust but verify.'


49 posted on 07/27/2004 6:32:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: RightWhale

Take what out? Suicidal terrorists don't have any property to take out. Trust and verify? I trust the Iranians mean it when they open and close parliamentary sessions with "Death to America." I suppose you opposed the Iraq war too.


50 posted on 07/27/2004 6:41:08 PM PDT by rageaholic
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