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Barack Obama, Man of Faith
Illinois Leader ^ | 27 July 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 07/27/2004 8:26:00 AM PDT by mrustow

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To: Thanoz

Given that you have been privately e-mailing people so that you won't be banned, I think that speaks for itself.

As for your points, I too believe that we are required to help the least among us. BUT I don't believe that the government has any significant role in doing so-for a number of reasons, which include inefficiency, one-size-fits-all programs which do not meet the individual's need and the fact that many social problems are not materialistic in nature, but rather spiritual (which the SCt has barred the government from addressing). Moreover, government's solutions tend to exacerbate the problem, rather than ameliorating it.

Your point that government does what we as individuals cannot do is well-taken. However, we CAN help these people without government and did so for many years before the Great Society (read the Tragedy of American Compassion by Olasky).

So, please take your stereotypes of those on this forum elsewhere. We're not interested.


101 posted on 07/27/2004 10:30:46 AM PDT by amordei
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To: mrustow

Well if he/she picks names by odd numbers I predict thagos will be the next freep name.


102 posted on 07/27/2004 10:30:51 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thanoz
Well that's just libertarian tripe. You'll build roads, huh? And public schools? And you'll build a sewage system on your own, right? And if someone breaks into your house and sets it on fire, you don't need to have the police and fire dept come by, becuase you know best, right?

And that's what I call a nice straw man.

Read what I wrote in post #65.

Here it is again:

The government does have an important role. Keep the peace. Uphold the law. Defend the country. Wealth re-distribution is not one of its functions. That's communism. It's not the job of people in cubicle land to decide who has too much money.

Try not to move the goalposts, OK?

This discussion started around the subject of Christian duty, charity and the government's role therein. In other words, whether it is an individual or state repsonsibility to provide for the needy. Now it's all about crime, sewage systems and roads??

Keep on topic.

103 posted on 07/27/2004 10:34:04 AM PDT by marshmallow
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Obama Osama Zing!


105 posted on 07/27/2004 10:36:48 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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Obama Osama Zing!


106 posted on 07/27/2004 10:37:04 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz

Obama believes in abortion on demand. Correct?


109 posted on 07/27/2004 10:38:22 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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Obama Osama Zing!


110 posted on 07/27/2004 10:38:24 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz
ABORTION IS EVIL

IF YOU ABIDE ABORTION

YOU ARE EVIL

111 posted on 07/27/2004 10:39:03 AM PDT by pyoursu
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To: Thanoz

But no response to my points? That would be too hard, huh troll?


112 posted on 07/27/2004 10:40:36 AM PDT by amordei
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To: Thanoz

The gov't shouldn't forget about you just because you're poor.

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But the government shouldn't keep you poor as many left wing programs end up doing.

Thye government should provide you with a safe neighborhood and not overtax and overregulate those that can provide you jobs.

But Obama needs these people to stay on the plantation. We know the drill. Again, troll. DU or dailyKos is probably missing you.

Convincing people that Obama is the man isn't going to work over here.


115 posted on 07/27/2004 10:45:38 AM PDT by amordei
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To: Thanoz
Providing the basic necessities for ALL our citizens is a big portion of what Obama believes in.

It's a big portion of what I believe in, too. However, I believe that it's a part of my personal responsibility as a Christian. Furthermore, I believe that I can best identify who needs the assistance, rather than some bureaucrat. Maybe you disagree.

The gov't shouldn't forget about you just because you're poor.

Right. It should forcibly take money from someone who's worked hard for it and give it to you. Again, wealth re-distribution. Socialism, communism.

117 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Thanoz
For someone that talks big about wanting to debate something in the open, you do a remarkably poor job of it.

I've been here responding to several people on this thread, and you've been nowhere on your own posting.

Considering that you took over one month (in your recent incarnations, anyway) to go from sending nasty FReepmails to actually posting to threads, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous for you to criticize me for not more actively participating on this thread? Besides, you've done such a marvelous job of stirring the pot, that there hasn't been a crying need for heavy-handed activity on my part. And I would think that after 4+ years and 20,000+ posts, that I shouldn't have to always be pounding away at my keyboard. I need time off to fight with my wife, just like the next man.

118 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:49 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz

Testy because you are abusing this forum with freepmail and returning after you have been banned.

If you had a shred of dignity, you would abide by the rules here. But, ...

Look at the state of the black family before the 60s and after. AFDC and other govt. programs were largely responsible for the dramatic increase in fatherlessness. In fact, since 1996, there are encouraging signs that the family unit is having a resurgence in the black community (I mean the less affluent--the black middle class is strong and fine, thank you).

As for people's living conditions, I don't think that the Great Society is responsible for the incredible advances in medicine and nutrition in the past century.


119 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:52 AM PDT by amordei
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To: mrustow

awwwwwww thanos went away


120 posted on 07/27/2004 10:51:29 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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