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Barack Obama, Man of Faith
Illinois Leader ^ | 27 July 2004 | Nicholas Stix

Posted on 07/27/2004 8:26:00 AM PDT by mrustow

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To: Thanoz

Given that you have been privately e-mailing people so that you won't be banned, I think that speaks for itself.

As for your points, I too believe that we are required to help the least among us. BUT I don't believe that the government has any significant role in doing so-for a number of reasons, which include inefficiency, one-size-fits-all programs which do not meet the individual's need and the fact that many social problems are not materialistic in nature, but rather spiritual (which the SCt has barred the government from addressing). Moreover, government's solutions tend to exacerbate the problem, rather than ameliorating it.

Your point that government does what we as individuals cannot do is well-taken. However, we CAN help these people without government and did so for many years before the Great Society (read the Tragedy of American Compassion by Olasky).

So, please take your stereotypes of those on this forum elsewhere. We're not interested.


101 posted on 07/27/2004 10:30:46 AM PDT by amordei
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To: mrustow

Well if he/she picks names by odd numbers I predict thagos will be the next freep name.


102 posted on 07/27/2004 10:30:51 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thanoz
Well that's just libertarian tripe. You'll build roads, huh? And public schools? And you'll build a sewage system on your own, right? And if someone breaks into your house and sets it on fire, you don't need to have the police and fire dept come by, becuase you know best, right?

And that's what I call a nice straw man.

Read what I wrote in post #65.

Here it is again:

The government does have an important role. Keep the peace. Uphold the law. Defend the country. Wealth re-distribution is not one of its functions. That's communism. It's not the job of people in cubicle land to decide who has too much money.

Try not to move the goalposts, OK?

This discussion started around the subject of Christian duty, charity and the government's role therein. In other words, whether it is an individual or state repsonsibility to provide for the needy. Now it's all about crime, sewage systems and roads??

Keep on topic.

103 posted on 07/27/2004 10:34:04 AM PDT by marshmallow
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105 posted on 07/27/2004 10:36:48 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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106 posted on 07/27/2004 10:37:04 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz

Obama believes in abortion on demand. Correct?


109 posted on 07/27/2004 10:38:22 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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110 posted on 07/27/2004 10:38:24 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz
ABORTION IS EVIL

IF YOU ABIDE ABORTION

YOU ARE EVIL

111 posted on 07/27/2004 10:39:03 AM PDT by pyoursu
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To: Thanoz

But no response to my points? That would be too hard, huh troll?


112 posted on 07/27/2004 10:40:36 AM PDT by amordei
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To: Thanoz

The gov't shouldn't forget about you just because you're poor.

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But the government shouldn't keep you poor as many left wing programs end up doing.

Thye government should provide you with a safe neighborhood and not overtax and overregulate those that can provide you jobs.

But Obama needs these people to stay on the plantation. We know the drill. Again, troll. DU or dailyKos is probably missing you.

Convincing people that Obama is the man isn't going to work over here.


115 posted on 07/27/2004 10:45:38 AM PDT by amordei
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To: Thanoz
Providing the basic necessities for ALL our citizens is a big portion of what Obama believes in.

It's a big portion of what I believe in, too. However, I believe that it's a part of my personal responsibility as a Christian. Furthermore, I believe that I can best identify who needs the assistance, rather than some bureaucrat. Maybe you disagree.

The gov't shouldn't forget about you just because you're poor.

Right. It should forcibly take money from someone who's worked hard for it and give it to you. Again, wealth re-distribution. Socialism, communism.

117 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Thanoz
For someone that talks big about wanting to debate something in the open, you do a remarkably poor job of it.

I've been here responding to several people on this thread, and you've been nowhere on your own posting.

Considering that you took over one month (in your recent incarnations, anyway) to go from sending nasty FReepmails to actually posting to threads, don't you think it's a bit presumptuous for you to criticize me for not more actively participating on this thread? Besides, you've done such a marvelous job of stirring the pot, that there hasn't been a crying need for heavy-handed activity on my part. And I would think that after 4+ years and 20,000+ posts, that I shouldn't have to always be pounding away at my keyboard. I need time off to fight with my wife, just like the next man.

118 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:49 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: Thanoz

Testy because you are abusing this forum with freepmail and returning after you have been banned.

If you had a shred of dignity, you would abide by the rules here. But, ...

Look at the state of the black family before the 60s and after. AFDC and other govt. programs were largely responsible for the dramatic increase in fatherlessness. In fact, since 1996, there are encouraging signs that the family unit is having a resurgence in the black community (I mean the less affluent--the black middle class is strong and fine, thank you).

As for people's living conditions, I don't think that the Great Society is responsible for the incredible advances in medicine and nutrition in the past century.


119 posted on 07/27/2004 10:49:52 AM PDT by amordei
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To: mrustow

awwwwwww thanos went away


120 posted on 07/27/2004 10:51:29 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: mrustow; All

He's gone. I'm sure he'll be back in another guise.

The worst sort of people are those who think that they have a monopoly on compassion.


121 posted on 07/27/2004 10:52:34 AM PDT by amordei
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To: mrustow
You in no way can be a Christian nor expect to get anywhere close to heaven while Supporting the killing of 3000 babies everyday. (Including more than 1000 black babies daily.)

The stance that supports the American Holocaust of Abortion is the litmus test for being a demoncrat.

How many demoncrats running for national office - are Pro-Life?
122 posted on 07/27/2004 10:58:30 AM PDT by TomasUSMC
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To: cyborg
awwwwwww thanos went away

Heck, I'm sorry to see him banned (again). For once, he wasn't hiding behind FReepmail, his posts weren't anywhere near as stupid and nasty as his FReepmails (granted, he was expressing himself uncharacteristically), and he was doing a great job of keeping the thread active, so more FReepers would see the article, and I could go cook lunch.

123 posted on 07/27/2004 11:03:31 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: presidentbowen
How can someone be a "Man of Faith", when he or she advocates abortion?

Ask the peanut man Jimmuh Carta

124 posted on 07/27/2004 11:11:54 AM PDT by JackDanielsOldNo7 (On guard until the seal is broken)
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125 posted on 07/27/2004 11:12:40 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
Modernism in fine form in this article. Modernism intent is to rind the world of our belief of our LORD AND SAVIOUR....JESUS CHRIST. This will never happen. The folks involved in modernism do not have a clue the power in the true walk with OUR LORD, JESUS CHRIST. Life changing and always with each and everyone that has the privilege of the blessed walk.
126 posted on 07/27/2004 11:13:21 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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127 posted on 07/27/2004 11:13:30 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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128 posted on 07/27/2004 11:14:33 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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129 posted on 07/27/2004 11:16:10 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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130 posted on 07/27/2004 11:16:55 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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131 posted on 07/27/2004 11:17:41 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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132 posted on 07/27/2004 11:18:44 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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133 posted on 07/27/2004 11:19:39 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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134 posted on 07/27/2004 11:21:12 AM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
Lemme see . . . Commie mommy, mooslimb dad . . . Oh, yeah, I'm sure that kid was raised to tell the truth. </sarcasm>
135 posted on 07/27/2004 11:24:50 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LS; Kuksool

"there are many paths to the same place"



Obama is also paraphrasing his commie idol Chairman Mao, who said words to the effect of "it matters not whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice," by which he meant that there was more than one path to the Communist ideal.

Obama is a Marxist, or at least a fellow traveler, and it is embarrassing that the Illinois GOP can't find a standard bearer to take on and defeat Obama.


136 posted on 07/27/2004 11:33:55 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: mrustow
I believe the 'Thanoz' name is a derivative of Thanatos, the death 'principle'.

Only too appropriate, I'm sure.

137 posted on 07/27/2004 11:34:01 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: cyborg

"Obama believes in abortion on demand. Correct?"



Every day and twice on Sunday.


138 posted on 07/27/2004 11:36:23 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

LOL


139 posted on 07/27/2004 11:39:07 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: LS
Thanks for saying what you did. That is EXACTLY what I was going to post, and you said it just right.

Thanks.

140 posted on 07/27/2004 11:46:20 AM PDT by Neenah
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To: bimboeruption
The ONLY religion Obama believes in is LIBERALISM.

I'm pretty sure that his tonic is much stronger than that.

141 posted on 07/27/2004 12:47:43 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: presidentbowen
How can someone be a "Man of Faith", when he or she advocates abortion?

As far as socialist journalists are concerned, you can't be a person of faith unless you DO advocate for abortion.

142 posted on 07/27/2004 12:49:35 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow
(thanks for the ping)

-- "I am a Christian.… So, I have a deep faith. I'm rooted in the Christian tradition.
I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there
is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.


I post this in truth, love and humility. And that's hard to do when
making a comment in repsonse to the words of a graduate of Harvard Law (Obama):

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh
unto the Father, but by me.


I wonder what conclusions Obama would do if he processed that passage
rigourously through the methodology he learned in his Contracts class at Harvard Law.
So, Obama, is He Lord, Lunatic, Liar or Legend...

I'm not hitting on Obama...it sounds like he has done well as the child of a
family abandoned by his father (an academic visiting from Africa, according to
today's Michael Medved Show).
143 posted on 07/27/2004 12:49:56 PM PDT by VOA
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'I believe that there are many paths to the same place'

I believe Jesus disagrees.

I believe cyborg suggested unitarian universalism may be in his background.

144 posted on 07/27/2004 12:51:55 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow

Sure sounds like it to me.


145 posted on 07/27/2004 12:54:30 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: VOA
Sure thing. I think he travels in circles given to very "liberal" interpretation of Scripture.
146 posted on 07/27/2004 12:55:46 PM PDT by mrustow ("And when Moses saw the golden calf, he shouted out to the heavens, 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph!'")
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To: mrustow

I would believe so. That's a central tenant...almost word for word from their faith.


147 posted on 07/27/2004 12:58:20 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Massachusettes' two senators have a combined record of zero people left to drown)
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To: mrustow
I think he travels in circles given to very "liberal" interpretation of Scripture.

Well, for myself -- having traveled far and wide and "off the reservation" of
the fundamental tenets of Christianity for a while...heck, Obama and
I have something in common!

Sounds like he's a bright and intelligent fellow.
Here's hoping he'll wake up sooner, rather than later.
148 posted on 07/27/2004 1:01:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Thanoz

Yes, I have heard that he is interested in helping the least among us--helping the very least among us to die before entering this world.

We shall be known by our acts, not by what we say. Mr. Obama actually looks and sounds very appealing, and I have no doubt that he will be a Senator from Ill. He may outliberal John Kerry and Ted Kennedy while sounding like Mother Teresa.

vaudine


149 posted on 07/27/2004 2:02:24 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: mrustow
"I am a Christian.… So, I have a deep faith. I'm rooted in the Christian tradition. I believe that there are many paths to the same place

There is no way that the author of this sentence is a Christian. Jesus clearly stated that there is only one way to heaven.

150 posted on 07/27/2004 2:06:52 PM PDT by mrfixit514
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