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Armstrong, Simeoni flap enters new phase; Ullrich not happy with boss
VeloNews.com/Agence France Presse ^ | July 27, 2004 | By Agence France Presse

Posted on 07/28/2004 8:33:49 AM PDT by nutmeg

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1 posted on 07/28/2004 8:33:55 AM PDT by nutmeg
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To: whattajoke; CyberCowboy777; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; ...
TDF 2004 ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my Tour de France 2004 list. *Warning: This may be a high-volume ping list at times during July 2004.

2 posted on 07/28/2004 8:35:53 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: nutmeg

sourgrapes over Lance winning?


3 posted on 07/28/2004 8:38:18 AM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: nutmeg
Simeoni is a total wuss.
4 posted on 07/28/2004 8:39:27 AM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: nutmeg

They're questioning the commitment of the second-best rider in the world? Are these people absolutely nuts?


5 posted on 07/28/2004 8:40:51 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: nutmeg

...I'm talking about Ulrich there, if that wasn't clear...


6 posted on 07/28/2004 8:41:44 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: dd5339; Vic3O3

Sore loser ping.


7 posted on 07/28/2004 8:46:28 AM PDT by cavtrooper21 (CQB is a very polite way of describing a gunfight at knife-fighting range.......)
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To: Billthedrill

kloden is second, basso third.

The ride to live comment has a ring of truth since ulrich engages in the euro drinking to get too overweight vice.


8 posted on 07/28/2004 8:46:29 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: nutmeg

He wins 6 tours de france in a row, then goes and wins a criterium! Amazing!

Maybe he plans to quiet his euro detractors who complain that the tdf is the only race he rides to win. It would put to rest the argument that Merckx won other classic euro-races in addition to the tour. With the largest lung relative lung capacity ever measured, and a 30% larger, also relative, heart, I think Lance has as many winning races in him as he wants!

www.wearyellow.com the yellow bands became backorderded on Sunday the 25th!

Go Lance!


9 posted on 07/28/2004 8:46:49 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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What's a "Criterium"? Got a website I can go to for a good description?

I thought this guy McEwen was supposed to be the better sprinter, but Armstrong beat him in the criterium?


10 posted on 07/28/2004 9:01:39 AM PDT by Redbob
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You know, there were a few riders that indicated they would be happy if Lance skipped the Tour next year, so they would have a chance to win. I don't understand that mentality, because if I was able to win because the best rider was not there, I would always think my win was not quite legitimate, due to not having competed against the best.

I honestly think it would be a travesty if Lance did not compete next year, because no matter who won, there would always be a question mark about their win.


11 posted on 07/28/2004 9:02:35 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: Redbob

A Criterium is a race over a course with several laps. It might be an eight mile course but a fourty mile race. They do not race as teams.


12 posted on 07/28/2004 9:18:10 AM PDT by Aeronaut (There never was a bad man that had ability for good service. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: stylin_geek

"You know, there were a few riders that indicated they would be happy if Lance skipped the Tour next year, so they would have a chance to win. I don't understand that mentality, because if I was able to win because the best rider was not there, I would always think my win was not quite legitimate, due to not having competed against the best."


Very good point. I agree that no one at that level would want an asterisk win. Especially if Lance went out and started stomping the other classic races too. With his talent, profound work ethic, and fantastic team support, Lance could likely win a 7th or maybe an 8th tour.

That would be fantastic.


13 posted on 07/28/2004 9:30:19 AM PDT by petro45acp ("Government might not be too bad...................if it weren't for all the polititians!")
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To: Aeronaut

Thanks;
a co-worker just stopped by and also told me a "criterium" is a race for a fixed time, like 45 minutes, not a fixed distance(?)


14 posted on 07/28/2004 9:42:39 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Redbob

Criterium - A criterium is a short road race on a circuit – usually city streets – closed to traffic. The distance per lap may vary from 1/2km to 3km (1/3 mile to 2 miles). Races are of varying numbers of laps. The mass start, high-speed cornering and sprinting make criterium exciting for participants and spectators alike. Because criterium pass the same point each lap they are better spectator events than road races.


15 posted on 07/28/2004 10:09:30 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: petro45acp
He wins 6 tours de france in a row, then goes and wins a criterium! Amazing!

Not all that amazing, really. These post-Tour criteriums are more in the nature of exhibitions. That is, they aren't UCI "sanctioned" races; that is the results don't count in the UCI's rider ranking system. Top riders, particularly popular performers from the recently-completely Tour, are paid up-front appearance money to take part.

Typically, the final outcome of these races is arranged in advance, as these criteriums are often held in conjunction with town festivals and the like, and the locals have come out to see the top stars shine. In this regard, the result of such races rarely disappoints. Not that there's anything "unethical" about these "fixed" races. Again, these are exhibitions, professional cycling's foray into "sports entertainment," as it were.

I recall reading about the results of one post-Tour criterium from the early-1990s, in which the then-popular Italian climber Claudio Chiappucci "won" in a field sprint in front of some of the top sprinters in the professional peleton. It was rather amusing.

16 posted on 07/28/2004 10:10:20 AM PDT by DSH
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To: Redbob

Do you use Google? I didn't know what a criterium was either, but went to Google, entered "bicyle racing criterium" and, voila!


17 posted on 07/28/2004 10:10:39 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Redbob
I thought this guy McEwen was supposed to be the better sprinter, but Armstrong beat him in the criterium?

Just a further indication of what I was saying previously: these post-Tour criterium are more-or-less "exhibition" races, with the results often determined in advance.

18 posted on 07/28/2004 10:12:48 AM PDT by DSH
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To: petro45acp
"He wins 6 tours de france in a row, then goes and wins a criterium! Amazing!"

what is amazing is how our athletes are actually getting stronger, faster, bigger as they age....wow....

I mean, Barry Bonds is unbelievable....

*sigh*

19 posted on 07/28/2004 10:17:45 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Redbob
a criterium is a race of attrition versus a nice stroll then a hard sprint at the end. a typical criterium will be around a city block/blocks for a set period of time say an hour. then there will be a bell and you will have to race a set amount of laps say 15 or so. if you get dropped and lapped at any point you are out. its a very strategic race, ive been in races that we averaged 15 miles an hour for 30 minutes and ive been in ones that are flat out the whole time. it takes alot of handling skill since there are at least 4 right turns on each lap going at 25+ mph.

the last crit i did i went down at 40 mph cracked 2 ribs and chipped my elboes.

20 posted on 07/28/2004 10:24:57 AM PDT by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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