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Polls show youth leaning to Bush
Jacksonville Times-Union ^ | 7-28-04 | Matt Towery

Posted on 07/28/2004 10:23:08 AM PDT by veronica

As the Democrats bask in the media limelight this week at the party's national convention, it's probably a good time to revisit a topic I recently took a light jab at in this column space. Polls in a number of states and in the nation as a whole show that a surprisingly disproportionate amount of President Bush's support for re-election is coming from younger voters -- an often fickle voting bloc.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush43; generationy; gwb2004; kewl; polls; youthvote
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1 posted on 07/28/2004 10:23:09 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica

Cool

Is this source on the excerpt list? BTTT.


2 posted on 07/28/2004 10:25:28 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: veronica

The "9/11 Generation." I suspect 9/11 was a much more definitive moment for a lot of young people than most realize.


3 posted on 07/28/2004 10:25:55 AM PDT by My2Cents ("Fair, balanced...and unafraid.")
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To: veronica

Good news, but young voters are less likely to go to the polls.

Maybe we could put out a trail of pizzaz?


4 posted on 07/28/2004 10:26:18 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: hattend
Yes, it's on the list.
5 posted on 07/28/2004 10:27:39 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: veronica

You mean..."Rock The Vote" featuring the Rev. Al Sharpton didn't work!?! I'm stunned! /sarcasm


6 posted on 07/28/2004 10:28:45 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: veronica


We got the young sperm vote!
7 posted on 07/28/2004 10:29:15 AM PDT by Republican Red (Is that a classified document in your pants Sandy or are you just glad to see me?)
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To: veronica
Understandable.

As a younger person I'd be annoyed, too, at the Boomers inability to get over themselves. Its annoyed me my entire life, and I'm one of 'em.

Kerry is the quintessential Boomer.

8 posted on 07/28/2004 10:29:40 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Constitution Day

Well, thanks. I've been looking for that list. Now bookmarked.



9 posted on 07/28/2004 10:31:15 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: hattend
Glad to help!

CD

10 posted on 07/28/2004 10:32:09 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: saveliberty
Good news, but young voters are less likely to go to the polls.

Not the ones I know. They are itching to go and vote for Bush. Many of the first time voters in our area voted in the primaries and now want their say in state and national elections.

11 posted on 07/28/2004 10:33:14 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The john/johns and the RAT party have done a flip flop this week, no Bush bashing.)
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To: Destructor

I have to say this surprises me quite a bit. There is no denying that the younger generation has been very brainwashed into the "entitlement" way of thinking and a republican is not an "entitlement" thinker. 9/11 may have had a big impact, but in what way that would make them go to the right? The Whitehouse has a lot of that generation going to war (I believe for good reason), but facing the draft can't be winning a lot of votes with the youth. So, what exactly would make the younger vote go right? If its morals and ethics, then I'll eat my hat, because the youth "majority" certainly doesn't appear to embrace that concept on a whole. Got me stumped...


12 posted on 07/28/2004 10:33:46 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: hattend

Wow, a whole new set of campaign slogans come to mind:

Kerry - the choice of the Peptic Generation!

Kerry me back to old Virginians...

Kerry DEPENDS on the senior vote!

Medi-KERRY

If Dean supporters are "Deaniacs" - aren't Kerry supporters "Kerry-atric"? Kerry-atric? Geri-atric? GET IT??

Muahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!


13 posted on 07/28/2004 10:33:50 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: veronica

We all know that the Left are essentially defined these days by their overt reliance on the Baby Boomer hippie freaks. In 10 years, they will be THE political faction of the well aged!.....


14 posted on 07/28/2004 10:34:59 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: hattend

Wow, a whole new set of campaign slogans come to mind:

Kerry - the choice of the Peptic Generation!

Kerry me back to old Virginians...

Kerry DEPENDS on the senior vote!

Medi-KERRY

If Dean supporters are "Deaniacs" - aren't Kerry supporters "Kerry-atric"? Kerry-atric? Geri-atric? GET IT??

Muahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!


15 posted on 07/28/2004 10:35:07 AM PDT by dandelion
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To: qam1

Ping!


16 posted on 07/28/2004 10:35:07 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Integrityrocks

Don't be fooled by physical appearances. Just because the youth these days are tatooed and pierced with butt hanging jeans, does not mean they are politically to the Left. Similarly, just because some 50 something drives a big old SUV , lives in a nice house, wears preppy clothes and act respectable does not mean that they are not still deep down inside, the same old hippie freak they used to be 30 years ago....


17 posted on 07/28/2004 10:38:34 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: veronica

A disproportionate number of kids who would have been young Democrats ended their short lives as medical waste in abortuary dumpsters.


18 posted on 07/28/2004 10:38:56 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Integrityrocks

I was post #6. I think you addressed your comments to the wrong person. Rght now, you're preaching to the choir pal.


19 posted on 07/28/2004 10:39:24 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Destructor

My comment wasn't so much directed to you as it was generic. Just thinking out loud.


20 posted on 07/28/2004 10:41:41 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Integrityrocks

I think/hope some younger folks may have developed genuine conservative leanings in reaction to the increasingly socialist and secularist society the older generations have brought about.

And remember that it's the Democrats leading the call for the draft.


21 posted on 07/28/2004 10:44:09 AM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Campion
"A disproportionate number of kids who would have been young Democrats ended their short lives as medical waste in abortuary dumpsters."

Great point, that has to make a difference over time. Not that I would support that to win elections, I had no choice in the matter.

They have killed millions of their own voters.

22 posted on 07/28/2004 10:44:35 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: veronica

Ya see, we're not all idiot leftist stoners!


23 posted on 07/28/2004 10:45:15 AM PDT by GiveEmDubya (JohnČ: Two Hairdos. One Agenda. No Idea.)
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To: Integrityrocks
"My comment wasn't so much directed to you as it was generic. Just thinking out loud."

Cool! Don't let me stop you.

24 posted on 07/28/2004 10:47:58 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Integrityrocks
Married generation Xers are the most traditional, conservative group in the country.
25 posted on 07/28/2004 10:50:20 AM PDT by Melpomene
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To: veronica

Just wait until school starts and the NEA's political pressure is felt.


26 posted on 07/28/2004 10:51:02 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Integrityrocks

I also think the internet has a lot to do with it. The internet can answer almost any question, give all the facts, and show every side of a story. So, younger people don't have to rely on the alphabet networks for their information. They can get all their facts together, and then make up their own mind; and when people have facts instead of editorials, I think they lean right.


27 posted on 07/28/2004 10:54:50 AM PDT by Melpomene
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To: Arrowhead1952

Great to hear! Historically though the 18 - 22 had been the weakest voting group.


28 posted on 07/28/2004 10:58:20 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: veronica

It's an anti-Moore backlash. Moore, on campuses, is an "establishment figure" due to the leftist (I almost typed "laughtist!") near-monopoly. The youts are rebelling against the obvious attempt at manipulation from the "Master of Deceit".


29 posted on 07/28/2004 10:58:39 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: My2Cents

Probably the moment that stands out to me most in my childhood is sitting in my 2nd grade classroom, and a teacher came in and told mine that JFK was killed. My teacher sat down and started to cry at her desk.

Major world events have a drastic effect on young ones, because they affect the way they foreverafter look at life.


30 posted on 07/28/2004 11:03:25 AM PDT by I still care (Have you heard about the Democrat cocktail? It's ketchup with a chaser.)
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To: saveliberty

Egad!

Pizzaz = Pizzas

plrg


31 posted on 07/28/2004 11:03:45 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: saveliberty
Historically though the 18 - 22 had been the weakest voting group.

I think one of the biggest reasons for their enthusiam for voting comes from them getting news from the Internet, rather than the ABSCBSNBSCNNBSMSNBS and major newspapers. My 18 yr old and several of her frinds lurk on FR and some are possibily FReepers. They can see the Hate Bush meida blitz and cannot stand the RAT party.

32 posted on 07/28/2004 11:08:23 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The john/johns and the RAT party have done a flip flop this week, no Bush bashing.)
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To: Republican Red

Oh, ROFLMAO...Thank you!


33 posted on 07/28/2004 11:11:16 AM PDT by Dooderbutt
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To: I still care
It's also the 'security mom' effect, so to speak. We want a President who will give us the chance to grow up and lead normal lives in a post-9/11 world. Or at least as normal as we can get. We're also somewhat resentful of the earlier generations for giving us STDs and forcing the acceptance of homosexuality upon us.

One could also say that we're just an anti-hippie backlash.

34 posted on 07/28/2004 11:16:47 AM PDT by Luircin (PROUD to be a member of Generation W)
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To: veronica
I have been talking with a number of 18 to 26 year olds recently. What I have discovered astonished me because of the stereotypes we have of young people as the gimme generation. I can assure you the young people I have talked with are not part of a gimme generation -- and they know that the Democrats are the gimme party.

So what did I learn?

First, young people understand taxes paid vastly exceed value returned, particularly at the state level here in Massachusetts. The associate taxation with the Democrats.

Second, they understand that even if they do not progress upward in terms of real dollars, by the time they are 40 simple cost of living raises (starting at $25k where they pay about 15% of $5k, or about $750, in taxes, they will be making (assuming about 3.2% inflation) about $45k. That money will have no more purchasing power than it does today, but taxes will tak a much deeper bite. That is, they understand progressive taxation is what prevents creates poverty.

Third, they understand John Kerry is a poser.

Fourth, they dislike the sue-to-get-rich mentality fostered by trial lawyers -- and they hate being lectured by trial lawyers about how they help people recover damages for injuries. Most understand trial lawyers more often play to the sympathies of the jurors and tell tall tales concerning about the plaintiff's plight.

35 posted on 07/28/2004 11:22:38 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Arrowhead1952

Woo Hoo! Send three cheers from me to your 18 year old and her friends!


36 posted on 07/28/2004 11:27:47 AM PDT by saveliberty (Liberal= in need of therapy, but would rather ruin lives of those less fortunate to feel good)
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To: veronica

You mean the 400 pound middle-aged-hate-filled millionair guy (moore) isn't working for the liberals ?


37 posted on 07/28/2004 11:27:50 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: ChadGore

Both of my teens are solid Bush fans and my daughter is sorry that she doesn't turn 18 until next March and misses getting to vote "for a great president"!


38 posted on 07/28/2004 11:44:53 AM PDT by princess leah
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To: veronica

This article isn't saying much people. The younger people in this poll are actual Southerners and most Cubans. The older people are Yankee carpetbaggers from New York and New Jersey. They are the only reason a state like Florida is even remotely competitive.


39 posted on 07/28/2004 11:46:41 AM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: veronica

Praise The Lord! Maybe there is hope for America.


40 posted on 07/28/2004 11:50:00 AM PDT by no dems (I obey whatever the voices in my wife's head tell me to do.)
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To: k2blader; qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; ...
(In Florida) Bush leads Kerry in the 18-34 age group 50 percent to 43 percent; 60 percent to 32 percent in the 35-44 age group;

WOW!!

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41 posted on 07/28/2004 11:50:04 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: Integrityrocks

My 23 yr old daughter who is not a political junkie in way shape or form is voting for Bush/Cheny because as she puts it she sees through the BS of the left and she has FICA taxes and property taxes ect... really woke her up to reality!
her fiance is voting GW also he said he will never vote dem after working secret service detail during the reign of fools known as clinton & co. he told me they were treated awfull.
also my niece and her hubby are first time voters and they love President Bush for the tax cuts.
This is driving my communist inlaws out of thier minds hehe they will say something so nasty about the President only to get smacked down by the grandkids and my whole side of the family!!! GO BUSH ~!


42 posted on 07/28/2004 11:55:29 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (Sayyyyyy....isnt disingenuous dissembler just a fancy way of saying your a LIAR???)
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To: Integrityrocks
If its morals and ethics, then I'll eat my hat, because the youth "majority" certainly doesn't appear to embrace that concept on a whole. You might be surprised. The ones who WILL vote are more likely to be good, moral citizens. The gangs, crackheads, and the lazy, unemployed, losers will barely be getting out of bed before the polls close.
43 posted on 07/28/2004 11:55:59 AM PDT by no dems (I obey whatever the voices in my wife's head tell me to do.)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
I have been talking with a number of 18 to 26 year olds recently

I am one of those people - 21 years old, conservative, and going to vote if I have to crawl over broken glass to do it. It's very nice to have a thread that isn't bashing all young people as slackers/morons/Democrats, for once.

I'm interested in seeing a poll in about five years on the proportion of formerly homeschooled young voters to the general young population. Maybe we're only a small fraction of the population, but I'd bet we'll vote at a much higher rate than the average government school graduate.

44 posted on 07/28/2004 12:00:57 PM PDT by JenB (Colorado or Bust: Tomorrow!)
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To: MIchaelTArchangel; suzyq5558; Integrityrocks

My oldest daughter got a job.

Then she got her paycheck.

She was very impressed by how much of her earnings she got.

She was NOT favorably impressed.

Another vote for lower taxes.
.


45 posted on 07/28/2004 12:09:09 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: NCPAC
PING!

Some good news, here. The trends you spoke of are bearing fruit.

However, both the conservative movement and the Republicam party might look a lot different if the current crop of young people someday control its direction.

46 posted on 07/28/2004 12:11:23 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: skeeter
Its annoyed me my entire life, and I'm one of 'em.

It annoys me that people like me who were born in the early sixties are lumped in with Baby Boomers.

47 posted on 07/28/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: AFPhys

One of my most favorite memories:

My neighbor's son got his first job working for a mobile car wash/auto detailing company. He worked his butt off. I clearly remember him walking up to the garage, with his payroll check in hand, saying: "Dad, what the f*** is FICA?!"


48 posted on 07/28/2004 12:30:59 PM PDT by adaven (Flush the Johns!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If you were 1965 or before, you're a boomer. Tough tacos.


49 posted on 07/28/2004 12:40:08 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: Integrityrocks; hchutch
I have to say this surprises me quite a bit. There is no denying that the younger generation has been very brainwashed into the "entitlement" way of thinking and a republican is not an "entitlement" thinker. 9/11 may have had a big impact, but in what way that would make them go to the right?

Yes. Consider the Maslow Hierarchy of Needs: keeping oneself from getting beheaded by an Islamist whackjob is of higher priority than getting a bigger Pell Grant.

The Whitehouse has a lot of that generation going to war (I believe for good reason), but facing the draft can't be winning a lot of votes with the youth.

What draft are you talking about?

50 posted on 07/28/2004 12:44:41 PM PDT by Poohbah ("Beware the fury of a patient man." -- John Dryden)
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