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Swifty Commander Bob Elder eviscerates John Kerry on Laura Ingraham Show
Laura Ingraham show | 7-29-04 | dfu

Posted on 07/29/2004 8:55:40 AM PDT by doug from upland

Their voice will not be silenced. They will go across America to spread the truth.

Former swifty boat commander Bob Elder did a devastating segment on Laura Ingraham's show this morning. He and his group are determined that American will know the truth of John Kerry's Vietnam record.

Elder says that two of the Purple Hearts were the result of Kerry's own hand. He had to put in for them himself. One was turned down twice and Kerry finally got someone in Saigon to come through for him.

Kerry left his comrades in arms and then turned on them accusing them of hideous war crimes. Three men Elder knows were kept for seven years and tortured. They could have been released if they said five simple words: I am a war criminal. They didn't say it. They didn't have to say it. Kerry did it for them.

Kerry was aloof from the rest. He made it clear that he was out for himself and to created his own JFK resume. He made it clear that he was doing this so he could create a path to the White House for himself.

Before this is over, Elder, Sampley, O'Neill and the rest of these patriots are going to stop this phony from becoming our commander in chief.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bobelder; kerry; militaryrecord; purplehearts; swiftboatveterans; swiftyboats
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1 posted on 07/29/2004 8:55:49 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Bump!


2 posted on 07/29/2004 8:58:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A republic, if we can revive it")
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To: doug from upland
Kerry was aloof from the rest.

Looking at this pic, that`s pretty obvious.


3 posted on 07/29/2004 8:59:05 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
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To: doug from upland

Sorry I missed it.


4 posted on 07/29/2004 8:59:23 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: doug from upland

Gentlemen, start your engines!


5 posted on 07/29/2004 8:59:34 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: doug from upland
I heard it. I wish Laura would let the guy finish his point. He was discussing the conditions surrounding Kerry's 3 PHs, but she didn't let him get to the third. She has to chime in about rice in the butt being a WMD (Kerry's second PH suffered when he threw a concussion grenade in a bag of rice on a sampan).

Laura misses the point more than she gets it.

6 posted on 07/29/2004 8:59:56 AM PDT by kabar
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To: doug from upland

Finally- I have been waiting for this.
This book will really help.
The only thing qerry has run in his life is his mouth.


7 posted on 07/29/2004 9:00:27 AM PDT by genghis
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To: doug from upland

Because of time, Elder didn't get to get into the third medal. What's his stand on that one?


8 posted on 07/29/2004 9:00:39 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: kabar

I think you are being a little unfair to Laura on ths one, although she does sometimes interrupt the guest too often. It was a great and powerful interview.


9 posted on 07/29/2004 9:01:37 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: All

And don't forget to order your advanced copy of "Unfit For Command"

Semper Fi,
Kelly

Swift Vets
http://www.swiftvets.com

Viet Nam Veterans Against John Kerry
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com


10 posted on 07/29/2004 9:02:17 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

From what I've heard, it is one that he earned and he should have our respect for that. The point of all of this is that he should be given credit for his service, but those four months can never make up for damage he did to fellow soldiers and can never make up for the damage he has done to the military during his time in office. He spent his capital for doing his duty and has been morally bankrupt on defending this nation for a long, long time.


11 posted on 07/29/2004 9:04:23 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: kabar

I know. Laura is fun, and she gets good guests, but then she interrupts them way too much. She kind of has a way of stopping their momentum; also she doesn't know as much as she should.

I still love her but......


12 posted on 07/29/2004 9:04:40 AM PDT by altura
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To: doug from upland

I liked the part about going back for the Army guy who fell overboard. Kerry went back, pulled him out of the water and transferred him to another boat. There was no withering emeny gunfire, it was as quiet as the inside of a church.

The Navy should take their Silver Star back (or whatever he got for this rescue)

Kerry won't get this veteran's (my) vote.


13 posted on 07/29/2004 9:06:35 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: altura

I like her but too.


14 posted on 07/29/2004 9:07:08 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Refuse to allow anyone who could only get a government job tell you how to run your life.)
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To: kabar
""[The first was during a training session and involved a sliver where the doctor and superior would not give a PH and] Kerry's second PH suffered when he threw a concussion grenade in a bag of rice on a sampan)."

And took some rice in the butt. LOL. Great interview. I hope this guy is prolific on the airwaves....

15 posted on 07/29/2004 9:07:11 AM PDT by eureka! (May karma come back to the Rats and presstitutes in a big way....)
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To: doug from upland
I remember growing up watching anti-war films/TV shows showing the commander as some king of ego-maniac. I even think I remember seeing one -- maybe even M*A*S*H -- in which the commander staged battle scenes so he could film himself as the hero.

These programs were of course produced by the same leftys who now want one of these fools to lead the country.

16 posted on 07/29/2004 9:07:26 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: doug from upland

Thank you for this little tidbit.

Think we will see it on ABCNNBCBS?

Or in the latnytwp?


17 posted on 07/29/2004 9:08:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: doug from upland
I think this is why Kerry is going the bunny route. He knows he isn`t going to get support from the vets, so he is trying to enchant voters instead by being a bunny.

Kerry in full bunny regalia......


18 posted on 07/29/2004 9:08:45 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
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To: Salvation

Before this is over, they are all going to see it.


19 posted on 07/29/2004 9:09:38 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
It was a bit refreshing to see the Rats elect such a balanced ticket as their Standard Bearers. They have both a Stalinist and a Leninist for a change. Oh, sure BJ and Gore were closet Liberals but they marketed themselves as moderates. So to see them finally elect someone the Party stands for was supposed to be a breath of fresh air. But no, that would be too risky so they decided to run the Woodstock Retro Republican Convention. The only thing they haven’t stolen from us so far is the phrase Copassionate Conservative! Once again America is going to be left asking itself, what does the Democrat Party stand for if anything??

Tonight we get to watch some home movies of Yaaaaawn Cut & Ran Kerry’s Bodacious Vacation!! There will be plenty of pictures of him at the “helm” of the PT 109 and autographed copies of his book Profiles in Courage. Did he mention he swam a mile to land dragging a man by his belt after his PT was hit by a Japanese destroyer? His speech however will not even mention that he was in the Senate for 2 decades trying to further the Liberal/Communist agenda. He will not mention that he is the definition of a Tax & Spend Liberal. He will not mention that he blindfolded and handcuffed the CIA and attempted to dismantle it yet crucifies them if their intelligence is not 100% accurate. Would you blindfold and handcuff a bank guard and then fire him for not stopping the robbery? Even if the intelligence was faulty, America wants a Leader who errs on the side of Caution. GW spoke the Truth and America and Iraq are safer places without Sadamn. Tonight we are going to get large doses of Peace With Honor and lots of empty promises.

This is the rope bridge over the Abyss for the Rats. If they lose this election they will have been out of power for more than a decade. You could say that BJ’s second term they were out of power, since he gave us both houses and he was mortally wounded by his own gun. If we lose the election we will still hold the Congress and be back once the people see how badly Yaaaawn would mess things up. If they lose, the realization that their ideas were totally rejected and the complete dismantling of their house of cads. So it is up to Yaaaaawn Tax & Kerry to put enough lipstick on this pig to run it in the Kentucky Derby. He has to convince the people that he is not offering them the Clinton Tax Cuts/Increases and that he will “only” Raise Taxes on the Uber Rich, like him. Another words this will be the only time in his life he supports Tax Cuts and the Only Time in his career he is not going to vote to Raise Taxes......Right! It will also be, the first time he votes to increase the military.....Right!

When it comes to the flowery stuff where he is going to buy everybody a house and a car and help the Poor helpless Blacks stand up to the evil Cross Burning Whites he will cruise like he was skiing behind his 130' yacht. The tough part will be pretending he is a Republican when it comes to Fighting Terrorism. He is not quite the liar that the Stainmaster was and looking into the camara telling his Terrorist buddies he is coming after them could become laughable?? That is where his weakness is. Sure he was Yaaaaawn Blood & Guts in Nam in those 8 weeks he was on the river, but he has been friends with EVERY American enemy since Woodstock I.

Yaaaaawn’s task is immense. He has to convince that not only is he not the person he is, but that his Party is not the Anti-War, Tax & Spend Party that it is. If this Dinosaur cannot pull off the mountainous lie and America realize they have the essence of Democrat weakness, then this Party is on the trash heap of history with their evil partners Communism and Sadamnism . Sex-President clinton may have pulled it off, but in a 9/11 America it didn’t seem to work to well for Pretty Boy last night. My bet is that the American people are a lot brighter than the Stone-age Press or the not as Partisan Delegates, know.

Pray for W and Our Terrific Troops

20 posted on 07/29/2004 9:10:22 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants more gummit!)
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To: doug from upland

bump


21 posted on 07/29/2004 9:10:39 AM PDT by sawmill trash ("LET'S ROLL")
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To: doug from upland

I think a little statistical analysis would be interesting here. Did the average vet get a p heart per month? Then do the 5 million to one calculation, etc...


22 posted on 07/29/2004 9:11:02 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: doug from upland
Another caller after Elder mentioned that Bush 41 failed to go after Clinton on his character and that GWB may be making the same mistake. The caller specifically referred to Elder's call. Instead, Laura went on a tangent about the campaign starting on Saturday and Bush should lay out his plans for the next four years. Either she missed the caller's point or she tried to avoid the issue.

After Elder finished, Laura ruminated that this may not be a useful avenue of attack for Bush since the Dems could respond that Kerry was risking his life in Vietnam and Bush was in the National Guard. She also said that the Dems have been going lightly lately in terms of attacking Bush on his National Guard record. I think this is what prompted the call mentioned above.

Elder was a great guest--articulate, informative, and authoritative. Laura needs to stand back and let a guest like Elder get out his message. I listen to her every day so I don't think I am being unfair. She doesn't think that attacking Kerry on his military record is useful. His antiwar activities yes, his military service no.

23 posted on 07/29/2004 9:12:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: doug from upland

Thanks for the info.

I, too, can never forgive Kerry doing what he did and said after he left Vietnam.

All of this talk about Vietnam is bringing up some very, very bad memories of that time for me and many others. His riding on his four month tour in Vietnam is disgusting when you consider what he did to our country when he came home.


24 posted on 07/29/2004 9:13:13 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 ("proud to be a Reagan Republican")
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To: eureka!

Agree Elder was a great spokesman. He deserves plenty of air time. I think he is even better than O'Neill. He served his full tour of 12 months and was in Swift Boats the entire time Kerry was there. Elder served from Sept 68 to Sept 69.


25 posted on 07/29/2004 9:19:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I vividly remember in 1992 when President Bush made a negative comment about scumbag Clinton. The NY TIMES jumped on it and criticized him for going negative. Unfortunately, the Bush campaign backed down and the rest is dark history.

Dubya should not do the attacks. The swifties are the right ones to go after Kerry. We need to find ways to help keep their message rolling.

26 posted on 07/29/2004 9:19:51 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: Darksheare

Bump.............


27 posted on 07/29/2004 9:20:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Mother of Darksheare & Darkchylde........and I need a vacation!)
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To: kellynla
FROM THEIR SITE ---

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the potential to lead.

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.

For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have resolved to end our silence.

The time has come to set the record straight.

28 posted on 07/29/2004 9:22:25 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; redrock

Ping


29 posted on 07/29/2004 9:24:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: bray
Tonight we get to watch some home movies of Yaaaaawn Cut & Ran Kerry’s Bodacious Vacation!! There will be plenty of pictures of him at the “helm” of the PT 109 and autographed copies of his book Profiles in Courage. Did he mention he swam a mile to land dragging a man by his belt after his PT was hit by a Japanese destroyer?

Hi, and welcome to 2004. You do realize that Kerry is not John Kennedy, right?

30 posted on 07/29/2004 9:25:27 AM PDT by whd23 (It's long past time to end the moon-worshipping death cult)
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31 posted on 07/29/2004 9:25:30 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: kabar

It sounds too like he (and the others) are indeed on a mission. Ketchup Boy and the Rats are going to be very sorry the 'Nam was the theme of this charade. Gotta get back to work. See you around...


32 posted on 07/29/2004 9:27:11 AM PDT by eureka! (May karma come back to the Rats and presstitutes in a big way....)
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To: doug from upland

Dubya should not do the attacks. The swifties are the right ones to go after Kerry. We need to find ways to help keep their message rolling.

Agree, that is what surrogates are for. The RNC needs to go after Kerry on his failure to release his full military records and hit him hard on his antiwar activities and associations. Kerry has used his status as a decorated military hero to intimidate and destroy his political opponents. Weld is a good example. In point of fact, Kerry is very vulnerable on his military service and the questionable circumstances surrounding his medals and the curtailment of his tour, which he had to initiate.

As a Vietnam vet who did my 12 months in-country and 8 more months afloat offshore, I despise Kerry. He is a fraud and should be exposed as such.

33 posted on 07/29/2004 9:28:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bray
Ahhh, if we could only here this voice from the past directed at this phony ---

"Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

34 posted on 07/29/2004 9:28:48 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
(VOICE OF THURSTON HOWELL III) - How daar you say anything baaad about Kerry. He knew JFK. He's wanted to be JFK. He is JFK!

John Kerry is your better! He went to the best schools! He has a rich wife. And nice bicycles. And breeding and class and style. He speaks languages! He's quite sorry about the Harley but that's for show you know! My gosh! The man was in Vietnam! A dirty little place! Kerry did not have a manicure for 4 months!

So, you little peons just do what JFK II wants now. You hear! Gads! The little people can be so annoying!

35 posted on 07/29/2004 9:29:09 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: doug from upland

bttttttttttt


36 posted on 07/29/2004 9:29:25 AM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: doug from upland

I'm happy that the Swifties have come out to expose Ketchup for what he is. I only wish they had done so thirty years ago.

Three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star and a Silver Star in less than four months in combat is ridiculous!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


37 posted on 07/29/2004 9:29:34 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kabar

The RNC should just whip out his Senate voting record and link it to our intelligence failures and general unpreparedness for 9/11.


38 posted on 07/29/2004 9:33:21 AM PDT by hattend (I'm on the Mark Steyn Ping List! I'm somebody!)
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To: hattend

That is another area worth exploring. Kerry has a most undistinguished legislative record for someone elected to the Seanate four times. I think he has 6 or 7 pieces of legislation with his name on it and several of those were for naming post offices in Mass. Lest anyone forget, Kerry is the most liberal senator from the most liberal state in America.


39 posted on 07/29/2004 9:37:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: doug from upland

"Their voice will not be silenced. They will go across America to spread the truth."

That's nice. But, compare the audience size and distribution points to the coverage yesterday of JK's little boat trip accross Boston Harbor with 13 of his former 'boat mates'. Which do you think had the larger audience - my money is on CNN, FNC, MSNBC.... all of whom showed the event live. I'll also bet the photo of that boat trip made a lot more front pages than this installment of the LI show. Mr Elder and his associates will have a very difficult time winning this battle.

How many media outlets/politicians ever question the medals or their validity?


40 posted on 07/29/2004 9:41:24 AM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping)
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To: familyofman

We are in a battle against big leftist media like never before. We must prevail.


41 posted on 07/29/2004 9:45:31 AM PDT by doug from upland
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To: kellynla

It`s also impossible from how many times he saw "combat". I mean, from what I can find (I could be wrong) he was involved in 2 drive by shootouts from the boat to shore, and chased an injured Viet cong and shot him. How does one get 3 purple hearts if you saw "combat" twice? Does one get a purple heart for each injury? I mean if you are involved in one shootout, and you get scratched twice, do you get two purple hearts? Why aren`t the Repubs all over this?


42 posted on 07/29/2004 9:45:34 AM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
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To: doug from upland
Ahhh, if we could only here this voice from the past directed at this phony ---

"Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy. I knew Jack Kennedy. Jack Kennedy was a friend of mine. Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy."

They should do a side by side of Kennedy's hair vs Yaaawn's hair. It is cut and parted nearly identical.

Pray for W and Our Amazing Troops

43 posted on 07/29/2004 9:46:18 AM PDT by bray (Yaaaawn Tax , Tax , Tax & Kerry wants more gummit!)
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To: doug from upland

bump


44 posted on 07/29/2004 9:49:56 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: genghis

It may be a worthy project of the RNC to give them out to reporters at the convention.


45 posted on 07/29/2004 9:51:07 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: hattend

There is also that constituent letter regarding Boston's Logan airport security (pre-9/11) and the fact that Kerry basically shelved it.


46 posted on 07/29/2004 9:51:52 AM PDT by WoodstockCat
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To: kellynla; doug from upland
Good points, but I hope my cynicism doesn't overwhelm me. I am not certain that books will help--even back as far as "A Texan Looks at Lyndon", the truth doesn't seem to convince a gullible, selfish, confiscatory American public.

Most people vote for Democrats for what money can be forcefully taken away from others and given to them, directly or indirectly. This type of voter doesn't give a tinker's damn about honor, or lack thereof, in their political frontmen.

47 posted on 07/29/2004 9:53:36 AM PDT by jammer
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To: doug from upland

"We must prevail."

Voices in the wilderness (Laura's show) aren't quite equal to the combined coverage of all the networks, cable, and 90% of newspapers. The sheer volume of the opposition tends to drown out what is being said. When was the last time even FNC had a feature they ran for 1/2 day questioning Kerry's service, wounds, or medals?


48 posted on 07/29/2004 9:53:41 AM PDT by familyofman (and the first animal is jettisoned - legs furiously pumping)
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To: doug from upland

Laura only lets her liberal guests talk. She is such a girly girl. I like a talk show host who tells me something I don't already know. She whines, she flip flops. She reminds me of my sister, she always has an ass or an elbow as my grandmother used to say. I find her annoying!


49 posted on 07/29/2004 9:54:12 AM PDT by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: whd23
"You do realize that Kerry is not John Kennedy, right? "

I think the point was that JFK-2 has worked at it so hard and so long that HE might not realize he's not JFK-1. Fat Teddy needs to remind him who was born to it and who had to buy a camera and get married in order to buy into it.

50 posted on 07/29/2004 9:55:07 AM PDT by norton (please Mr. Moore, take the wafer thin mint)
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