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FTAA -- Giant step toward world government
sierratimes.com ^ | 07.26.2004 | Debbie O'Hara

Posted on 07/29/2004 9:37:57 AM PDT by B4Ranch

Millions of Americans are frustrated over the direction our country is taking. They know something is drastically wrong, but find it difficult to grasp what the real problem is. They think every crisis somehow boils down to Liberal vs. Conservative or Democrat vs. Republican. People suppose if they could just get the "right" political party into the White House, our country would be saved. I wish it was that simple, but our problem goes much deeper than that. Positive changes in our nation cannot come about unless the American people will accept the ugly truth that it doesn't matter whether our governing administration is Democrat or Republican. History shows that either way our country has continued its downward slide away from God and liberty toward atheism and socialism. Outside of a handful of "good guys", the goal of most of our politicians is to cancel our national sovereignty and replace it with an ungodly socialist world government.

We keep electing presidents that say they will "cut spending" and "get government off our backs" but of course it never happens. Most people are blind to the fact that for decades now every new administration, whether Democrat or Republican, carries on the same basic policies of the previous administration. These are the same policies that are vehemently denounced by the supposed "rival" party until they get elected to office. Suddenly the "old" policies from the last administration that we were told were so bad for us, become the "new" policies of the current administration and are good for us.

Remember "Hillarycare?" During her husband's administration, Hillary Clinton proposed a massive plan for socialized medicine in America that was severely criticized. We heard how horrible this plan was and how it would bankrupt the country. Then along came President George W. Bush and lo and behold socialized medical programs were passed with little criticism. "Capitalism Magazine" calls President Bush's expansion of Medicare at its core premise "an exact application of the Clinton health care philosophy."[1] It seems all we need to do is put a Republican label on a bill and then it's OK! Republicans call it "compassionate conservatism", but it is socialism just the same.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: capitalism; compassionate; conservatism; fta; ftta; hillarycare; socialist; trade
It is socialism just the same!
1 posted on 07/29/2004 9:38:01 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Sandy Berger to be new CIA chief?

/sarcasm

2 posted on 07/29/2004 9:40:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: B4Ranch

Call me stupid but I can't tell ~what~ this article actually says. ;~D


3 posted on 07/29/2004 9:48:21 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog (~*-,._.,-*~Loves her hubbit~*-,._.,-*~)
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To: B4Ranch

Agreed. I'm very displeased with Bush's policies on socialized health care, immigration, and trade. If there wasn't so much at stake at this election through a Kerry win I would vote for the Constitution Party. Too bad that's not the case.


4 posted on 07/29/2004 9:53:15 AM PDT by French-American Republican
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To: B4Ranch

Read later.


5 posted on 07/29/2004 10:11:52 AM PDT by EagleMamaMT
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To: B4Ranch

The Medicare prescription program benefits few elderly. With a $350 million -- whoops, make that $500 billion -- budget, it is a Jobs-For-Life program for bureaucrats, complete with $4000-a-month pensions at the end.


6 posted on 07/29/2004 10:11:57 AM PDT by henderson field
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To: B4Ranch
I hear you. If I weren't so concerned about:

a. Terrorism, and
b. Appointment of more liberal activist judges

I would be casting my vote for the Constitution Party candidate. I'm almost cynical enough to believe that the Administration is using the War on Terror like Big Brother's perpetual wars in "1984". At times the similarities are chilling.

7 posted on 07/29/2004 10:17:31 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Just writing it all down before they come for me.)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

We have troops in something like 117 countries right now. To protect America? BS To make money for special friends is more like it.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 10:32:55 AM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: B4Ranch
It is socialism just the same!

Be careful. Bush has an "R" next to his name, so we have to praise on this board him no matter what he does or suffer the wrath of the mindless minions who gladly embrace socialism when it is fed to them by the party that appears on their voter registration card.

9 posted on 07/29/2004 10:45:12 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: B4Ranch
Then along came President George W. Bush and lo and behold socialized medical programs were passed with little criticism.

And Nixon went to China.

10 posted on 07/29/2004 10:49:51 AM PDT by glock rocks (Don't ya love that new computer smell?)
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To: Texas Federalist

The President has my deep, sincere respect, however I don't believe any man on the face of the earth should be free from criticism.

He holds the most important position in our society but that doesn't make his administration free from errors.

I am not one who will bow down to mindless minions who follow a Party without thinking about what direction they are being led in.

There is a cliff just over the horizen and it is not well lit up.


11 posted on 07/29/2004 11:06:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: B4Ranch

Well said. Unfortunately, there is a vocal minority who do not hold your view and try to stifle intelligent discourse.


12 posted on 07/29/2004 11:16:14 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Texas Federalist

When one of the Party sheeple attempt to disrupt a debate I have found it easiest to just ignore whatever they post, just skipping right on over the intrusions.

After a few attempts they realize they are being ignored and move on to someone who will respond them.

Maybe that's how the name calling on forums originated. LOL


13 posted on 07/29/2004 11:40:35 AM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: B4Ranch

One world goverment is prophecied about in the book of Daniels, Isiah and Revelations. It gets fairly descriptive in detail and accurate.

According to scripture, one world goverment control is firmly established under anti-christ and lasts 3 1/2 years. It starts out looking very promising but then major attrocities begin being commited and the Christ returns to end it.

Revelations says Christ and those on earth chosen to do battle with the beast. I take this literally to mean a massive rebellion against the attrocities which causes the one world anti-christ goverment to collapse and then a 1,00 year reign of peace.


14 posted on 07/29/2004 12:22:18 PM PDT by quant5
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To: quant5

The United Nations is as anti-christ as you can get. Lets just cancel our support and membership before TSHF?

Let the fighting occur in other countries.

The Lord gave us a brain to use, not to beg for assistance from Him while we sit on our butts.


15 posted on 07/29/2004 1:09:06 PM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: quant5
I just started a book from the Left Behind series called Desecration. It is book nine of eleven. It has certainly helped me in my walk with Christ. Good Christian fiction is hard to find. I'm not stating that the theology expressed in the books is the way it will happen but it has certainly helped to make (possible) sense of Daniel and Revelations. Sounds good to me, anyway.
16 posted on 07/29/2004 3:04:37 PM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: Texas Federalist
Be careful. Bush has an "R" next to his name, so we have to praise on this board him no matter what he does or suffer the wrath of the mindless minions who gladly embrace socialism when it is fed to them by the party that appears on their voter registration card.

I think you'll be surprised. Even those of us who love GW, see his flaws. I'm NOT happy about the No Child Left Behind program or the immigration issue (especially as I'm living in Ariona at the moment) and I don't think he's done enough to "roll back" government. I am happy that he's kept us out of the worst UN treatys and I think he's done right by the military. (I know we're doing better in the army under Bush than with clinton.)

No, he's not as agressive as I'd like to see, but he's much better than the alternative.

BTW, hubby and I are planning on retiring in Texas in a couple of years. How's the freedom over there? (re: homeschooling, building and developing private land as you see fit, guns, etc)

17 posted on 07/30/2004 12:37:45 AM PDT by Marie (I'm your huckleberry...)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I would not call you stupid, madam. Slightly less than fully informed, perhaps, but never stupid. The sum and substance of this article is as follows; "..the goal of most of our politicians is to cancel our national sovereignty and replace it with an ungodly socialist world government."
18 posted on 07/30/2004 7:09:54 AM PDT by Designer (Sysiphus Sr. to Junior; "It was uphill, all the way, both ways!")
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To: Marie
BTW, hubby and I are planning on retiring in Texas in a couple of years. How's the freedom over there? (re: homeschooling, building and developing private land as you see fit, guns, etc)

Excellent on all accounts. I have never lived in Arizona, but compared to Connecticut where I grew up, it is heaven.

19 posted on 07/30/2004 7:58:34 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Texas Federalist
Very good to hear! I can NOT wait to get there! Arizona isn't so bad, but I can't do very much with my own land and that irritates me. Of course, compared to military housing, this is already wonderful. (MP's called because my son is sitting gin a tree. MP's called because my son is digging a hole with a teaspoon. MP's called because my daughter is sitting in the front yard talking to a friend and I'm not watching her while I go to the bathroom. Can't put up a kiddy pool so the kids can wade. We got trouble because I mowed, but didn't edge my yard one weekend. I could go on and on...)
20 posted on 07/30/2004 9:44:39 AM PDT by Marie (I'm your huckleberry...)
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To: ExSoldier

Right on. I haven't read the books but the "Object of Desolation" spoken of by Daniel sure sounds a lot like terrorism.


21 posted on 08/02/2004 10:56:49 AM PDT by quant5
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To: B4Ranch

Agreed. It seems to me the UN is the first governing world body and that a seperate world body replaces this one. Revelations talks about heads of a dragon like goat figure.


22 posted on 08/02/2004 10:58:44 AM PDT by quant5
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To: B4Ranch
Bush pandered to the seniors and took away one of the dims arrows in the election. It's called politics. I do not understand why people expect politicians to be their standard bearer in lofty ideals. Sometimes you get what you want but most of the time it's a compromise of some kind.

The only way you're going to change the welfare mentality of the people is by changing their hearts and minds. Where they lie, politics will follow.

23 posted on 08/02/2004 11:03:51 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: quant5
NewsMax has an article today that states BILL CLINTON might be in line to take the Secretary General post of the UN if Kerry wins the election.
24 posted on 08/02/2004 11:30:38 AM PDT by ExSoldier (M1A: Any mission. Any conditions. Any foe. At any range.)
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To: Bob J; Squantos
Imagine how many people would actually start voting AGAIN for a candidate came out who said "I support the US Constitution 100%, the Bill of Rights 100%, the Declaration of Independence 100%.

I am against sloppily giving away our freedoms, our liberty and our sovereignty.

I will support American citizens before I'll support anyone else.

I will bring our troops who are fighting for and defending the United Nations Charter back to the United States to defend this Republic from terrorists.

We need to remove the USA from the United Nations and with your support we shall do exactly that.

I will get us out of NAFTA and all of it's anti American rules.

I need your support to do this. I do not want to be owned by the international corporations. I need your individual support.

To do this I need your support, $10 a week from each family should get us on the road to Liberty once again.

$10 a week from each family will do it. We need to protect our children from socialism and corruption in our government agencies.

Please register to vote again and please support me in my fight for the America that our men died for in the American Revolution. The America that our Founders envisioned for us."

I think a patriot who put out radio advertisements saying the above would bring people out of their obvious disgust for our political system. People who haven't voted in 20 years would give this man a chance and would be willing to send in $10 a week.
25 posted on 08/02/2004 12:06:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: B4Ranch
"Imagine how many people would actually start voting AGAIN for a candidate came out who said "I support the US Constitution 100%, the Bill of Rights 100%, the Declaration of Independence 100%."

I don't know. What will you say when they ask you what will happen to their Social Security, their food stamps, their prescription drug benefits, their affirmative action, their child tax credits. What will you say when they ask you what your position is on middle income tax relief, the progressive tax code, taxing corporations, union busting, the environment, etc.

BTW - I didn't know you were running for office, my comments do not infer a reluctance in supporting that.

26 posted on 08/02/2004 12:15:17 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Bob J

I'm not running for office, medical reasons.

Most of what you are talkling about could smoothly disappear in less than one generation because they are tax supported.

Give the money to the people who earned it because they are the ones who will actually barter or shop for a bargain, not unwillingly support foreign nations who come begging because America is seen as rich. Dumb blond rich......we just give it away to anuyone who asks.


27 posted on 08/02/2004 12:24:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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