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The Verdict Is In: Senate Ethics Committee REFUSES to Enforce Salary Law Against Kerry!
FR ^ | 7-29-04

Posted on 07/29/2004 5:00:42 PM PDT by jmstein7

Well, the Ethics Committee has finally responded to the Ethics complaint against Kerry and the Secretary of the Senate.

Here is their letter:

As you see, the Senate Ethics Committee has refused to enforce a statute passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President (in August of 1996).  If they don't like it, they have to REPEAL it; you can't just decide not to enforce a clear, unambiguous statute!

You can let them hear about it tomorrow at 202-224-2981.


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KEYWORDS: awol; ethicscommittee; ethicscomplaint; kerry
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It's time to go to court...
1 posted on 07/29/2004 5:00:53 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7

Well, if nothing else, it certainly is a damaging bit for John Kerry. I just hope the GOP keeps mentioning his inattention to his "job." It's a big issue for a lot of people, and it needs to be brought up over and over again.


2 posted on 07/29/2004 5:03:12 PM PDT by EggsAckley (.....John Edwards: The political equivalent of breast implants.....)
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To: jmstein7

Some people are more equal than others.


3 posted on 07/29/2004 5:03:54 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Privatizating government regulation is critical to national defense.)
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To: jmstein7

Amazing, simply amazing! WHY is everyone SO afraid of DemocRATS!? The laws of this country ONLY apply to Republicans! SICKENING!


4 posted on 07/29/2004 5:05:21 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT!)
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To: jmstein7

looks like Sec. 39 will be getting an overhaul.


5 posted on 07/29/2004 5:05:23 PM PDT by stylin19a (Take a load off, Fanny...Take a load for free.)
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To: jmstein7

Laws are for little people. Stop bothering us.


6 posted on 07/29/2004 5:06:46 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys ("Hi, Sandy. More highly classified documents or are you just glad to see me?" -- John Kerry)
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To: jmstein7
As you see, the Senate Ethics Committee has refused to enforce a statute passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President (in August of 1996).

Again, the democrat politicians thwart the law for their own political gain.
Will phone for explanation in the morning. It's 8:10 PM here. Thank you.

7 posted on 07/29/2004 5:08:56 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: jmstein7

Deja Vu all over again.


8 posted on 07/29/2004 5:09:24 PM PDT by diotima (She's in parties. It's in the can.)
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To: Mich0127; RightRules; MeekOneGOP; Peach; onyx; backhoe; Mia T; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Ethics Committee Refuse to Enforce Law BUMP!


9 posted on 07/29/2004 5:09:39 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7
Keep fighting, John.

I assume we will see your reply in short order?

One would imagine that the "logic" they have used ("well, it hasn't been done in 100 years") is flawed on several different levels. The law is on your side, even if it has been used in a long time.

10 posted on 07/29/2004 5:09:45 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: teletech
Amazing, simply amazing! WHY is everyone SO afraid of DemocRATS!?

They're afraid that if the law is applied to Kerry now then someday, someone will want to apply the law to them, too.

11 posted on 07/29/2004 5:10:23 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: jmstein7

Dear Prole,

We've been getting away with it for over 100 years so f*ck you.

Regards,
Senate Ethics Committee


12 posted on 07/29/2004 5:11:13 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: jmstein7

Is this a decision made at staff level or by the committee members?


13 posted on 07/29/2004 5:11:16 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Vietnam veteran against Jean-France Kerry.)
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To: diotima

Does he use a form letter? :)


14 posted on 07/29/2004 5:11:28 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

Hell,damn,and blast!


15 posted on 07/29/2004 5:12:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: mattdono

Oh, don't worry... I've got something in the works that will hit them like a ton of bricks...


16 posted on 07/29/2004 5:12:48 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7
It's time to go to court...

I hope so. Our tax dollars are being used for the politicians play time. We expect them to earn their wages. The Senate is not suppose to be a huge welfare state!
They're suppose to be working for us, not the other way around!!!

17 posted on 07/29/2004 5:13:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: jmstein7

Thanks for pinging me, and why am I not surprised :-(

I'm getting more and more disgusted as the days go by...


18 posted on 07/29/2004 5:13:32 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: jmstein7
Oh, don't worry... I've got something in the works that will hit them like a ton of bricks...

Kudos. I sure hope so. They're stealing from us. They're being paid for services not rendered.

BUMP

19 posted on 07/29/2004 5:16:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Ethics Committee Response BUMP!


20 posted on 07/29/2004 5:16:15 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

What does "The Great One" have to says about this subject?


21 posted on 07/29/2004 5:16:36 PM PDT by McGruff (I would rather have "Help" than "Hope"!)
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To: Baklava; BadDogBill; BADROTOFINGER; baggadonuts; Bahbah; Baloo-Myers; BamaGirl; barker; ...

Ethics Committee Response BUMP!


22 posted on 07/29/2004 5:17:53 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7

What the hell? These people are unbelievable!


23 posted on 07/29/2004 5:18:47 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: jmstein7

Then I guess the whole "we need 60 votes for a cloture or we will have endless filibuster" rule is now null and void?

Doesn't this set a precedent?


24 posted on 07/29/2004 5:20:50 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: jmstein7

Whose signiture is on that letter?


25 posted on 07/29/2004 5:21:24 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: jmstein7

Is this where the saying, "The rich get richer" comes from?


26 posted on 07/29/2004 5:21:38 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Shut up and sing. I don't care what you think.)
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To: I got the rope

The Chief Counsel.


27 posted on 07/29/2004 5:24:59 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: concerned about politics
In general, I agree with you, but in Kerry's case, I doubt that he would even notice (financially) if his salary was withheld.

All the more stupid why he doesn't do the right thing... It can't be the money itself.

Unless Teresa's got him on a slim allowance...

28 posted on 07/29/2004 5:25:46 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: jmstein7

Good going, John. Let us know if any of us can help.


29 posted on 07/29/2004 5:26:06 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: jmstein7
They are a law unto themselves. And they will protect themselves.
30 posted on 07/29/2004 5:26:10 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: jmstein7

Other than calling tomorrow, which I already have on my "to do" list.


31 posted on 07/29/2004 5:26:53 PM PDT by mattdono ([mattdono to John Kerry]: I voted for you...right before I voted against you.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

It has something to do with his getting a loan.
She can't give him money, so he borrowed against his house and claimed his salary could cover it (even though everyone knows that is not the case).

I suspect he may opt out of public financing and may need to do this again? JMHO.


32 posted on 07/29/2004 5:27:17 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: kristinn

That's why this letter has to be made as public and visible as possible. It is a smoking gun -- evidence of what you wrote.


33 posted on 07/29/2004 5:27:47 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: kristinn

The Senate Royal Princes.
You know it.


34 posted on 07/29/2004 5:27:49 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Izzy Dunne
Unless Teresa's got him on a slim allowance...

I suppose she would. His commanders in Viet Nam said he belonged in a straight jacket.

35 posted on 07/29/2004 5:30:23 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: kristinn

Also, it would help if the mods stopped pulling this post out of the "breaking" category. This IS breaking news.


36 posted on 07/29/2004 5:31:17 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: jmstein7
As you know, 2 U.S.C. Section 39 reads:

The Secretary of the Senate and the Chief Administrative Officer of the House of Representatives (upon certification by the Clerk of the House of Representatives), respectively, shall deduct from the monthly payments (or other periodic payments authorized by law) of each Member or Delegate the amount of his salary for each day that he has been absent from the Senate or House, respectively, unless such Member or Delegate assigns as the reason for such absence the sickness of himself or of some member of his family.

What part of shall does the Senate Ethics Committee not understand?

And this so-called dead law was last amended in 1981 and 1996.

Typical liberals. A clear statute applies unless it applies to them. Remember Algore's "no controlling legal authority" other than a statute directly on point argument about his fundraising activities?

How do you plan on getting standing to sue?
37 posted on 07/29/2004 5:32:24 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Ahhh... I can't reveal my strategy :)


38 posted on 07/29/2004 5:34:27 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: concerned about politics
"Kudos. I sure hope so. They're stealing from us. They're being paid for services not rendered."

It is not so much that, it is just the utter disregard for the law displayed by those that are supposed to be our 'lawmakers'...
Lie to Grand Jury? Ok (at least if you're the Demo Prez)...
Take classified documents from the Archives? OK (at least if you're a former Demo Adviser).
'Marry' homosexuals in your city -- even though it is against the State Law? -- OK
Give illegal immigrants a free pass? -- Again, ... OK

A lawless government that picks and chooses the laws it seeks to enforce is a government run by outlaws, and not by representatives pledged to uphold the Constitution.

We were founded as a nation of laws - primarily Biblically based - starting with the 10 Commandments. And as we've removed the 10 Commandments from the schools and courtrooms we've become a nations of relativists.

"In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes".

39 posted on 07/29/2004 5:36:12 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: jmstein7
This means all those in Washington no longer have to show up for work. They can stay home and collect their welfare checks.
40 posted on 07/29/2004 5:36:57 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: mattdono

How they can drag in this one hundred years of precedent is laughable. How any practice or tradition prior to 1996 bears on the enforcement of a law passed in 1996 is unclear to say the least.

Beyond that, there hasn't yet been time to establish a subsequent Senatorial tradition of flouting this law, although the quoted response does get the ball rolling.


41 posted on 07/29/2004 5:37:30 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: jmstein7

I look forward to your next step. Good job pressing the issue.


42 posted on 07/29/2004 5:39:46 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: jmstein7

Add me to your ping list. I find your threads so fascinating. Thanks.


43 posted on 07/29/2004 5:40:35 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: jmstein7

bttt


44 posted on 07/29/2004 5:41:44 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: jmstein7
The Select Committee on Ethics can be contacted at 220 Hart Building, United States Senate, Washington, DC 20510. Telephone: (202) 224 - 2981. Fax: (202) 224 - 7416.

Republicans

George V. Voinovich, Ohio, Chairman (Big Time RINO)
Pat Roberts, Kansas
Craig Thomas, Wyoming
Democrats

Harry Reid, Nevada, Vice Chairman
Daniel Akaka, Hawaii
Blanche Lincoln, Arkansas

45 posted on 07/29/2004 5:45:52 PM PDT by Militiaman7 ( Viva Cuba Libre!)
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To: jmstein7

Go get 'em, mate!


46 posted on 07/29/2004 5:47:06 PM PDT by thoughtomator (End the imperialist moo slime colonization of the West!)
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To: jmstein7
LAWYERS PROTECTING LAWYERS.
47 posted on 07/29/2004 5:52:08 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: jmstein7

More waste of our tax money. I don't care who they are Republican or Democrat. If they don't show up for work, they should not get paid for it.


48 posted on 07/29/2004 5:52:53 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: El Cid
There are several people that have something
up their sleeves as well.

The tree of liberty is thirsty.

49 posted on 07/29/2004 5:56:48 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: jmstein7

File a Writ of Mandamus. They'll ignore it of course.


50 posted on 07/29/2004 5:58:28 PM PDT by PeterFinn
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