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To: SierraWasp

If this is going to pass, everyone's support will be needed. For a guy that wants everyone to pony up to the cause of his choice, this shouldn't be such a tough concept for you.

Now it's gotten to the point that you're implying I'm a groupied because I want state government cut by a third.

You McCintock folks have finally come unhinged.


58 posted on 07/30/2004 6:26:23 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne; Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; Amerigomag; kellynla; farmfriend; tubebender
Now it's gotten to the point that you're implying I'm a groupied because I want state government cut by a third.

We all want state government cut... but how can you support something (or expect others to support it) when you don't even know what it is? It is a yet-to-be-disclosed, 2500 page report, put together in secrecy by 275 unnamed/undisclosed individuals. At this point, we don't know how the recommendations were developed, the nature of the proposed changes, or the magnitude of those changes.

You imply that Arnold needs our support on this. Well, according to the story, he hasn't even seen it yet... we don't even know if HE supports it.

The AP story says it might save 12,000 jobs (through attrition), and could save up to $32 Billion over 5 years. Now... excuse me for not jumping up and down, but this represents an annual reduction of less than 6%. That would roughly get us back to Gray Davis' spending level last year! He may want to cut the workforce by 1/3, but this proposal obviously supplements that labor force with other monies because $32 Billion over 5 years certainly does not cut "state government by a third", as you state.

I am hopeful that there will be some meaningful reform in this report that can be implemented. I will wait, however, until I have something to evaluate before forming an opinion, positive or otherwise.

59 posted on 07/30/2004 7:17:17 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: DoughtyOne

"You McCintock folks have finally come unhinged."

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What do you mean, finally? ;)

A while ago Arnold did something that normally conservatives would cheer, and I made a casual remark, along the lines of hoping that the conservatives would applaud this, and it turned into a thread with hundreds of posts bashing me for being "divisive" for suggesting that one would think conservatives would applaud, when Arnold does something that conservatives want.

I think the truth is that they really DID want Bustamante and just like the Gore folks, can't accept defeat.


60 posted on 07/30/2004 7:21:21 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: DoughtyOne

BTW... streamlining the overall organization of state government is good. Here are but a few details coming out that I look upon less enthusiastically and hardly as 'sweeping reform':

- Ask Medi-Cal recipients to contribute more for doctors visits and prescription drugs

- Require community service from students at public colleges and universities

- Raise out-of-state college and university fees

- Issue electronic debit cards for Women, Infant and Children's program

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-Turn driver's license written tests into a learning experience. Applicants couldn't fail, because they would be fed new questions by a touch-screen computer kiosk until they got enough correct. The report says nearly a third of otherwise good drivers routinely fail, and there is little correlation between failing the test and driving performance or accident rates.

-Use two-year state budgets to give officials time to evaluate programs.

-Transfer more than a tenth of state roadways to local governments to operate and maintain.

-Use radar-controlled cameras to enforce highway work zone speed laws. Violators would be mailed a ticket, similar to new red light cameras.

http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040730/APF/407301066


61 posted on 07/30/2004 7:25:41 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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