U.S. Church Sermons Being 'Monitored' for Anti-Homosexual Views

http://www.LifeSiteNews.com ^ | July 30, 2004

[concerned about politics]

During a campaign swing through Mississippi yesterday, Senator John F. Kerry excoriated President Bush from the lectern of a black church,

Hypocrites. Outright communist, and they're not even hiding it.

[PeterPrinciple]

monitoring churches for any sign of conservative political activity.

Will we take the safe easy way or stand up for what is right????

[EdReform]

Democrats back church IRS probe(separation of church and state')

[Vic3O3]

Here's a link to the exact quote by Niemoeller.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Niemoller_quote.html

[Old anti feminist]

Do we have to go underground with the TRUTH as in Russia? Sodomy is a SIN! Being black isn't! To lump them together is the highist form of evil pandering. Its time for the S.C. to step in, but they have lost it too. All preachers should stand up against this invasion. Maybe it will get some attention. Why do the Democrats speak only in black churches? I think we know why!

[2nd Amendment]

You got it brother! This times the lines are clear cut. The conservative states favor traditional values and faith while the liberal ones favor humanism, relativism, and every form of deviancy known to man. For the sake of our consciences, our country, and the world we must fight this next civil war with conviction and courage. This time the Northeast and the far west have seceded from decency and we must unite and fight. The plight of Zell Miller shows what happens to a man in the democrat party who stands firm on his principles.

[axel f]

As I posted here, this group no longer has the right to the name Mainstream Coalition. It is a testament to our left-wing press that they are still referred to this name in local articles. Many newspaper editors and writers in the KC area are members of this group.

In any case, they are not the mainstream and have been losing members.

[kimmie7]

Our Sunday bulletin contains a paragraph about our churchs' (Nazarene)stance against same-sex marriage and homosexuality every week. My pastor -- who was uncertain as to the rapidity of the anti-religious movement until I began enlightening him -- spoke earnestly Sunday with regard to the fact that he now feels he will die in prison. Not for hate crimes, but preaching the truth of God's Word. I told him I'd be right behind him and he grinned (knowing that I tend to speak out...lol) and said that I may beat him there. I told him it would be an honor.

All this from the "Village of Enlightenment" that wants our children. We do have taglines for a reason...see mine.

[kimmie7]

bttt

[Rodney King]

"Churches in those states are being strong-armed and pushed around because of their beliefs," said Lafferty in a press release. "We want those religious citizens to get the protection they are promised in the Constitution. It is time somebody pushed back at the liberal bullies."

How are the church's constitutional rights being violated? Not that I like these guys, but there is no need for our side to whine to the government like this.

[Tax Government]

We have a perfect right to oppose homosexual practices, and to say so in and around church. Duh.

[Ciexyz]

The two churches that I attend are very careful to be non-partisan in their comments from the pulpit. However, they regularly remind worshippers of the need to become educated about the political process and to register and vote. That this is part of being good citizens, responsible citizens. As Christians, we have a responsibility to our society and our country.

[VOA]

U.S. Church Sermons Being 'Monitored' for Anti-Homosexual Views

Some courageous clerics should send these liberal brown-shirts a notice
that, yes, we'll be preaching revolutionary Christian orthodoxy.
And that "you'll have to put us into American Dachaus like Hitler in order to shut us up."

Which is decidedly contrary to the sexual animalism that preceeded Judeo-Christian thought.
(as well outlined by Jewish commentator Dennis Prager in a Catholic publication)

[rmmcdaniell]

I posted an article last week where the churches were also being monitored for political speech. Black churches exempt, of course. The Left blatantly shows video on the news of candidates in those churches. They even raise funds for Democratic candidates. If White churches speak out, the IRS descends like Armaggedon and tries to break them financially and take away their tax free status.

Who is more contemptable? Those who break the laws or those who are two cowardly to go after those who do?

The problem here is that we have one side that fights and the other doesn't. Overt electioneering from black churches, Kerry receiving a paycheck while not attending Senate proceedings, and Sandy Berger getting off the hook are all symptoms of the same problem. Don't blame the left, blame the right.

[EdReform]

National Education Association behind harrasment

You can count on it:

Political Activism Takes Center Stage With The NEA

[ETERNAL WARMING]

I in no way said that being black is a sin. How could you even think that from what I said? What is a sin tho is when the Black Churches are allowed to flagrantly violate their interpretation of separation of church and state, but when white churches do it they're hauled before the courts. THAT is a sin. It has nothing to do with blacks per se. I watched TD Jakes church have Al Gore and Jesse Jackson and assorted Democrat pundits during the 2000 elections. Whitey would never be allowed to do that. I stopped watching TD Jakes after that, not because he's black but because of the blatant hypocracy.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

Are you serious? How can you not see how this churches rights are being violated? It's Free Speech vs. Hate Speech.

Read my comment on another site where I was accused of being homophobic:

I don't want to know whether they practice Sodomy or not. I could care less what they do in privacy. That's between them and God. I don't hate them but I won't ever condone it or consider it normal, healthy or natural. I don't condone adultery, or betrayal or anything else listed in the good book as sin either.

Individuals who don't like the message are free to leave and find a church where they hear what they want to hear. Secular Humanism rules in most churches today. There are plenty of them.



But this isn't about that, it's about "hate speech" vs. free speech and their attempt to use the system to silence us. It's about persecution if you say anything about the subject. We have every right to speak on any subject within the church. We also have the right to contain membership, tho most are welcome. These people aren't coming to church, they're SS agents.

They will haul any offender before the IRS and have the tax free status taken away. Then they'll sue under Hate Crime legislation to try to destroy the church. They're well funded, most churches can barely fix the leaky roof. That's their agenda.


Add to that another comment I had on last week's article about them monitoring white churches for political speech. I pointed out that black churches flagrantly violate their "separation of church and state." There's video on the news with candidates in black churches speaking and having funds collected, but if white churches even mention politics, they're hauled before the IRS. It's true. In 2000 I watched Al Gore and Jesse Jackson in TD Jake's church giving a political speech with a political collection plate following. I stopped watching TD Jakes, not because he was black but because of the blatant hypocracy.

[GeronL]

If it were up to me, we'd spend a few minutes on politics every week.

[DocRock]

"When I was a kid it would have been unheard of for a preacher to preach a sermon on this issue at all. Even the most 'fundy' of fundamentalists would not dream of preaching against sodomy."

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Speaking of fundamentalist, I wonder which fundies Sen. Biden was talking about at the DNC. Muslim or Christian. If it was Muslims, then why didn't he just say so? And why did he direct these comments to "our friends on the other side", that like to quote scripture? Most of the people at my church could fit the description by the God haters, even though they aren't "radical".

Transcript:

Our friends on the other side love to quote the Bible.
Just as Joshua's trumpets brought down the walls of Jericho, just as American values brought down the Berlin Wall,
So will radical Fundamentalists fall to the terrible swift power of our ideas as well as our swords.

[Salman]

Biden: So will radical Fundamentalists fall to the terrible swift power of our ideas as well as our swords.

I think Biden is being deliberately ambiguous.

I am not a Christian, BTW.