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Intelligence Obtained on (NY/NJ/DC) Threats Described Targets in Great Detail
Associated Press ^ | 8/1/04 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/01/2004 1:14:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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To: gopwinsin04
can anyone decipher the code on the weird UBL picture?

The map of US looks like some sort of binary thing. And what of the numbers in the top portions?

61 posted on 08/01/2004 4:53:32 PM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: MarMema

I remember that thread, but can't find it. He told of two ME folks doing surveillance of an interstate, and signalling to others.


62 posted on 08/01/2004 4:54:10 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

most certainly is, but looks a bit weird. No central park.


63 posted on 08/01/2004 4:55:00 PM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: jimbo123

But not to worry. Howard Dean says it's all political. Remain calm.


64 posted on 08/01/2004 4:55:18 PM PDT by Petronski (Edwards threatening al Qaida is like Pee Wee Herman threatening Luca Brazzi.)
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To: CAPTAIN PHOTON
"I don't for a moment think al queda has their own nuke program, but they will try to get them from Pakistan, Iran, maybe the old ussr or wherever. This is what really worries me...Pakistan is a nuclear power. Its poor and corrupt, and 90% of baby boys born after 9/11 were named Osama, or so I read. In any case, Its always been one bullet away from a regime change and that arsenal can't possibly be considered safe. and Iran probably has an arsenal already. Remember, this technology is 60 yrs old, not exactly cuttting edge."

Money isn't "cutting edge", either, but not everyone can get it. The odds of a big bank heist robbing all of Pakistan's wealth are better than for obtaining a single nuke...which is arguably easier to protect.

Fewer than a dozen nations have figured out how to build nukes. Fewer still have gone to the Moon (3 decade old technology). Just because it has been done...doesn't mean that just anyone can duplicate the feat.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

65 posted on 08/01/2004 4:57:22 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jimbo123
A computer and several disks were seized when Ghailani and 13 others were seized last weekend southeast of Islamabad.

Well how bout that! You think they came from New Mexico?

66 posted on 08/01/2004 5:13:07 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: jimbo123

Oh, some scuzzy jihadi thought this up?

Sounds like Iranian intelligence.


67 posted on 08/01/2004 5:16:42 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: gitmo

Do you recall anything else about the thread? What it's main topic was?


68 posted on 08/01/2004 5:16:47 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Julliardsux

OK. Here are how the numbers go in that picture:

658 885 776 455 647 965

I don't know what they mean, but if you add the last two digits of each number, you get 613, 813, 713, 410, 611, and 911. That 911 is coincidental?

Also, here are the numbers appearing vertically in the US map at its widest point:

01
10
10
01
11
01
10
11
00
10
10
01
10
10
01


69 posted on 08/01/2004 5:21:04 PM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: MarMema

I think the FReeper's observation WAS the topic. As I recall he reported it to someone (cops, FBI, ??) and they were very interested. Seems like there was someone standing beside the highway and further down the road someone stationed on an overpass.


70 posted on 08/01/2004 5:26:33 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo

It was where, I remember it as Washington DC.


71 posted on 08/01/2004 5:31:10 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Julliardsux
It's a map of about a third of Manhattan Island, from just south of Central Park. Some landmarks appear as red buildings (e.g., Empire State Building).

http://phe.rockefeller.edu/pics/manhattan.gif <-- Link

72 posted on 08/01/2004 5:47:52 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MarMema

It was in Howard County, a suburban county between DC and Baltimore (closer to Baltimore).


73 posted on 08/01/2004 6:02:13 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: Southack

Few nations want to go to the moon, more than a few nations would like a nuclear arsenal.

al quida et al have money: most folk in Pakistan don't. why do you find it so difficult to believe that the terrorists could grease the appropriate palms and get 2 or three of those weapons. Especially since the providers might, in their own minds, convince themselves that their private enrichment advanced the public Islamic good.

I always thought that "dirty bombs" were the authorities way of euphemistically acknowledging and defusing the potential of a nuclear attack...a way of talking about things atomic without seriously upsetting anyone.

ASK YOURSELF THIS: if you were al quida, with money, recruits and popular support, would you pursue nothing but "dirty bombs" if you had even a modest chance of getting and delivering the real thing? THEY'RE CRAZY, NOT STUPID.


74 posted on 08/01/2004 6:10:22 PM PDT by CAPTAIN PHOTON
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read later


75 posted on 08/01/2004 6:33:22 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (I support my Troops and my President!)
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To: MarMema

I'm thinking north Virginia. Same thing.


76 posted on 08/01/2004 6:35:28 PM PDT by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: gitmo
I'm thinking north Virginia. Same thing.

Exactly, he worked in DC but drove outside it to go home. I wonder if this is significant. I wonder if they were taking people counts. I especially wonder what was at those overpasses or spots. Or nearby.

77 posted on 08/01/2004 6:51:29 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: gitmo

But see number 73 above.


78 posted on 08/01/2004 6:52:43 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: CAPTAIN PHOTON
"al quida et al have money: most folk in Pakistan don't. why do you find it so difficult to believe that the terrorists could grease the appropriate palms and get 2 or three of those weapons."

Why?!

Several reasons:

1. It's easier to rob a bank than a nuclear arsenal; ditto for bribing the appropriate guards at either. Call me when al qaeda seizes an entire nation's monetary system.
2. Those who make and guard their nuclear arsenals are fully aware of external threats and responses. They also know that *every* nuke leaves a unique signature after the blast that can be directly traced to the country of origin. This means that the keepers of nukes everywhere know that their nation and their entire population will be obliterated by the response to an attack against Russia, China, Israel, India, the UK, or the U.S. They also realize that once the nukes are out of their hands, that they have no guarantee of where they would actually be used.
3. Nukes have limited shelf lives. Though less stringent standards are possible, the U.S. replaces the conventional explosives and electronics (the radiation deteriorates both) *monthly* on the smaller nukes in our arsenal, as well as replaces the atomic trigger isotopes at intervals more frequent than once every 90 days. The tritium booster isotope is replaced once every several years, too. Moreover, heavy metals such as plutonium and uranium are among the most brittle metals known to man. Transporting such weapons is a fragile, delicate business. They also rust (i.e. plutonium oxide, uranium oxide) with the slightest hint of moisture.

So even if al qaeda obtained such a weapon, which is unlikely (see #1 & #2 above), they'd have to transport it carefully in order to avoid shattering the brittle heavy metal fissionable components, and they'd also have to transport and detonate it before the radiation required new electronics and conventional explosives, as well as before the decay of the atomic trigger isotopes rendered the weapon into a meaningless dirty bomb.

So no, I doubt that al qaeda is capable of detonating a full-fledged nuke. A dirty bomb, yes. A working nuke, no.

Instead, I'd point you to Syria, a nation that fully understands all of the above. Syria pursued not nukes, but biological and chemical WMD's, and has them in vast quantities.

That is precisely what I'd expect the terrorists to obtain and use. Not nukes, but chemical and/or biological weapons. They have a longer shelf life, and they are less difficult to obtain in the first place.

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

79 posted on 08/01/2004 6:58:04 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: jimbo123; Calpernia; swarthyguy; Mossad1967
That Plastisheet went somewhere. "A/C guys" can plaster it anywhere they want.
80 posted on 08/01/2004 7:01:26 PM PDT by txhurl (Remember?)
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