Posted on 08/02/2004 5:14:46 AM PDT by a_Turk
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A video posted on the Internet shows a masked gunman pumping three bullets into a man's head in what appears to be the murder of a Turkish hostage by militants in Iraq. In another video, militants said they would free a Somali captive because his Kuwaiti employer agreed to stop working in Iraq.
A video posted on a Web site used by militant groups shows a man identified as a Turk kneeling in front of three armed men. The man reads a statement in Turkish, identifying himself as Murat Yuce from Ankara, the Turkish capital. He says he works for a Turkish company that subcontracted for a Jordanian firm.
"I have a word of advice for any Turk who wants to come to Iraq to work: 'You don't have to be holding a gun to be aiding the occupationist United States ... Turkish companies should withdraw from Iraq," he says.
At the end of the statement, the leader of the three presumed kidnappers takes out a pistol and shoots the Turk in the side of the head. The Turk slumps to the ground, and the kidnapper shoots him in the head twice more. Blood is seen on the ground next to his head.
A black banner on the wall behind the kidnappers identifies the group as the Tawhid and Jihad, which is led by the Jordanian militant linked to al-Qaida, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
It was not clear when the hostage was killed and his name did not match those of the two Turkish truck drivers kidnapped by Tawhid and Jihad last week.
The same group said Monday that it will release a Somali truck driver it kidnapped because the Kuwaiti company he works for agreed to stop working in Iraq, al-Jazeera television said.
Tawhid and Jihad had threatened in an earlier video aired July 29 to behead Ali Ahmed Moussa within 48 hours if his company failed to leave the volatile country. It was not known exactly when he was kidnapped.
In the video broadcast Monday on the Arabic-language network, Moussa appears kneeling before three black-clad, masked militants armed with assault rifles. One of the militants reads a statement.
He says the group is releasing Moussa "in appreciation of the attitudes of the Somali government and people toward Iraq and the Kuwaiti company's commitment to stop doing business in Iraq."
There was no word on when the Somali would be released.
The Kuwaiti company Moussa works for has not been publicly identified.
Al-Zarqawi's group has claimed responsibility before for a number of bloody attacks across Iraq and, since April, the beheadings of several foreigners, including U.S. businessman Nicholas Berg, South Korean translator Kim Sun-il and Bulgarian truck driver Georgi Lazov.
On Sunday, Iraqi gunmen released one of two Lebanese businessmen, a day after they were snatched on a Baghdad street. The fate of the other hostage is unknown.
Militants have abducted over 70 foreigners, many of them truck drivers entering Iraq with supplies for the U.S. military or contractors involved with Iraqi reconstruction efforts.
The kidnappings are apart of an insurgent campaign aimed at forcing coalition forces out of the country and scaring foreign companies away.
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So they released one--an example of their idea of "compassionate and merciful justice," no doubt. These sadists do it because they enjoy it.
These sub-human cowardly swine must be stopped. Of course John Kerry feels this is a police issue.
Let's wipe them out in their outhouses.
I am sorry to hear this about your countryman. I am sorry that this fairly recent terrorist technique is working with some countries and companies.
Good point.
The strategy worked. Turkish truck drivers said they will no longer drive into Iraq to bring supplies to the US and the coalition. One would think that the Turks would be made of sterner stuff. I guess they have gone soft like Spain and the Philippines. Without the UK and the US, I wonder what kind of world this would be.
The media practice "attribution" in unequal measure. Sometimes in full, and sometimes not at all. Get used to it.. We have.
The topic of terrorist warfare as opposed to our modern "sanitized" version of warfare came up in our evening Bible class yesterday. Basically , we were referring to the Babylonian army and how they went in and literally slaughtered and totally destroyed everyone and everything they didn't think would be useful for their own purposes (carried away captive).
In contrast, how we are expected to fight a "war" that is so selective that the terrorists are often missed because of fears of hurting innocent bystanders. How we are expected to abide by the Geneva Convention, yet the terrorists are held to no such standards....
How can we ever win a war with an opponent who won't "follow the rules"?
I guess for those who only understand sports analogies -
Imagine your football team is having a big game with the most hated team in the conference. At the game, the refs give you a penalty for every even minor infraction of the rules, while the opponent is allowed to break every rule - Dirty hits, late hits, extra players on the field, even weapons on the field -
Oh, and the rules just prior to the game were changed to force your team to play without helmets or pads, while the opponent is allowed all the pads they want (human shields?).
Also, the opponents players, even those not technically "in the game" are allowed to just mill around the field and suddenly are active participants at random.
Sorry but these ghouls are assassins same as Muhammad who had 3 enemies assassinated. Their assassinations are inspired by Islamic scripture. Muhammad also was a hostage taker and ransomed captives.
The USPS will not deliver where dogs roam free.
Jesus tells you how.
Excellent contribution, as usual. Stoke the fire with your satan inspired attitude. Do your small part to keep the fires of hatered burning.
Atta boy.
Those cowards don't have the guts to show their faces as they execute a defenseless and innocent hostage. Disgusting.
It's all in the Koran and Hadith. It's all about their demands to the emulate the *exemplary* life of the prophet. To imitate Mohammed's examples (Sunna)
This here is not a discussion of the Koran or Hadith.
Each one of your silly utterances leads another ten to hate you - and hopefully not "you" as a group - and another ten who hate you to actively seek to murder you.
Keep up the good work. You, oh meek-minded one, are your own worst enemy. And you do rule the world.
I think you are mistaking truck drivers for soldiers.
I know the Iraqis don't want the Turks to come into Iraq, especially the Kurds, but Turkey, in its zeal to appease France and enter the EU, has made life difficult for us, including not allowing us to enter Iraq through Turkey during the initial invasion.
They'll get to read the perverted writer of their beloved koran there!
I think you are mistaking truck drivers for soldiers.
I realize that. It was the same case for the Filipino truck driver, except the Philippines decided to hasten up the departure of their soldiers out of Iraq as a response to this extortion. The Spaniards pulled out their troops because train passengers in Madrid were blown up. The point is that by acceding to these demands, we put more people in danger.
video here: http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/turken.wmv
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183162/posts
These sub humans must be wiped off the face of the earth. I think some Turkish troops should find these bastards in Iraq and take care of a few of them appropriately.
The Iraqi people will take care of these animals themselves.
The US military will see to it.
It saddens me that an innocent Turkish truck driver has been slaughtered by barbarians. May he rest in peace.
It also saddens me that some on this forum paint all Muslims with the same brush.
The religion of this murdered Turk and the innocent Iraqis being blown up almost daily in Iraq is Islam.
They are being killed because the terrorists really want to kill American and Coalition troops and, being unable to do so in large numbers, are targeting so-called supporters.
This suggests to me that religion is just the excuse used for recruiting, rather than the true motivation.
I am sorry and ashamed that you have to put up with this level of vitriol because of your country of origin.
That sound like a threat. Not from you, but from the fundamentalist Muslims. That people who dare speak the truth about Muhammad's life of murder will be killed or neutralized. I know many ex Muslims are afraid to come out in public and say they have broken with Islam.
IOW: Very, very bad to say bad things about Mohamed and his life. Jesus is often mocked, Jews are killed by the millions, but no one is allowed say what needs to said about the life of Muhammad. The worthwhile Muslim is the one who ignores the parts of Koran and Hadith that spell out Jihad wars against the kufr (non Muslim)
Scum.
Heartfelt sympathy for the family of this young man.
They also explore how Palestinian stringers are used by almost every single wire service. Of course, most of these guys are affiliated with Arafat's Fatah thugocracy and/or Islamist psychopaths, who are members of PIJ, HAMAS, etc.
On the other hand, it seems kind of odd that they would do this so abruptly, without consulting other foreign suppliers/security companies, to see how their safety could be ensured.
Even if they retain seventy-percent of their business, it's still a bad business decision.
What happens if say, the Kurds rebel in Syria, or more unrest breaks out in the Persian Gulf region?
How are they going to justify obeying the whims of a terrorist group?
Personally, I think that this maneuver is just as shortsighted and dangerous as The Phillipines' decision to withdraw its forces from Iraq.
The only problem with the football analogy, is that the USA = Baltimore Ravens, and Terrorists = Pop Warner. No matter how much they cheat, they're still going to get killed.
Their worst fears are going to be realized if they don't stop placating the worst instincts of the worst creatures on this planet.
Yakkety yakkety yak. Kill these terrorist f***s just to shut their mouths, if nothing else.
Fear is the primary motivation behind pandering, IMHO.
I make one by accident from time to time.
Normal scenario: Little kid in school gets bullied. Little kid starts trying to be bully's friend. Bully starts getting little kids lunch money. Little kid keeps quiet. Bully starts beating up little kid. Little kid stays quiet. Little kid takes a stick to bully's head. Bully leaves little kid alone.
Conspiracy Guy scenario: Bully picks on Conspiracy Guy. CG asks what the problem is. Bully says, I don't like you. CG says, so. Bully takes a swing. CG ducks, moves quicly behind bully, and kicks bully in the groin. CG grabs broom and procedes to flog bully. Once bully is throughly flogged CG says, want to be friends or do you just want to stay out of my way.
Turkey don't send soldiers here,To which a Turk replies with choice words and in Turkish, praising their irrefutable manhood and that of their entire ancestry..
Turkey don't send soldiers here,
We are man enough to handle
Civilians in body-bags..
; )
Sorry to hear about your countryman. In a front page article in the San Diego Tribune on Tuesday, it was stated that this guy and others were taken hostage after terrorists were "encouraged" by their success in scaring the Phillipines out of the country.
As sad as I am for the man shot, I am even sadder that the response of turkish truck drivers is to boycott deliveries to Iraq. 300 shipments a day.
Score another victory for terrorism.
Soon as the other two were set free the word out of the trucking sector was that the shipping will continue.
Just don't forget the days when the PKK used to suicide bomb our schools and malls while fundraising freely in DC.
Those who raise money for terrorists are as guilty as the terrorist themselves in my book. Those that appease them are little better. Those that cave in to them deserve what they get as they guilty of aiding terrorism by default.
I make no distinctions for race, creed, color, or religion in this regard. Neither does my daughter who arrived home this week for two weeks leave from Iraq where she and her comrades have had to deal with the effects of our "allies" bailing out on us.
There is a whole new generation of Americans who are learning who our friends really are, and are keeping tabs for future reference.
Had the 4th been allowed to come in from the north many of those who are now killing turkish drivers and my daughter's friends would have been killed or captured before they could ditch their uniforms and go to ground only to return as terrorists.
>> Those who raise money for terrorists are as guilty as the terrorist themselves in my book. Those that appease them are little better.
That's exactly why some folks in Turkey had trouble trusting you and your 4th to sit in the area of southeastern Turkey where the PKK whom you appeased and helped fundraise are active.
>> I make no distinctions for race, creed, color, or religion in this regard.
How about in any other regard..
Turks are false friends to the US...hopefully the disgusting nature of Turkish Islam indeed all of Islam will be exposed.
This is typical of what Turks do. Ask Christians who have had to deal with these barbarians about it.
"The ripping up of pregnant women to decide a wager as to the sex of the unborn child, the wholesale outraging of women and girls, not to speak of the torturing of men, and even little children, in the most inhuman fashion, indicate a fiendish barbarism that seems absolutely incompatible with the kindness and hospitality to which so many bear witness"
Bliss, Rev. Edwin Munsell . Turkey and the Armenian Atrocities.
Your comments remind me of an old, old Addams Family cartoon from an old, old copy of The New Yorker:
A movie theater is packed people silently crying, sniffing, and wiping tears from their eyes, watching a profoundly tragic scene on the screen. Uncle Fester, however, is wringing his hands in fiendish glee, and cackles hysterically in amusement.
As nice as it would be to round up and execute everyone suspected of cooperating with terrorists, such as those who might be fund-raising for them, the United States is still a democracy and not a police-state. People actually have to break our laws before they get jailed.
Not eveything that is morally wrong is illegal here. That is one of the many reasons why people prefer to live in the United States rather than where they were born. Democracy and liberty have inherent problems, but they are preferable to the problems of other forms of government. And we are a nation of laws, not political whimsy (though it seems that way at times).
PKK isn't the only group that has been able to fund-raise for terrorists here. Hamas, IRA, and others have been able to do so. Once most people find out about what they are really up to they stop sending money. Only recently have we gotten smart enough as a political body to make that type of fund-raising illegal (remember, most of these groups front themselves as charities).
As for you, you seem to take the position that two wrongs make a right. That Turkey should not be obligated to do the right thing just because they felt wronged. And if it were that simple, I might be more forgiving. But we all know that it wasn't about that. Turkey held us up for money. It was extortion plain and simple. Because of it, innocent people are dying in Iraq, including Turks. But I'm sure they'll find a way to blame it on us.
After all, blaming the U.S. these days has become an international pass-time. And it's certainly easier than looking at home for the root causes of the problem.
Do you really thing the PKK would have ceased to exist if it had not raised money here? How much did it raise elsewhere? It doesn't take a lot of money to make bomb and use it to blow up school. i suspect it would have happened whether they raised money here or not.
But then that's why I don't give money to very many charities (only local church groups). Most of them misuse the money they are given. But, until being stupid is made a crime in the U.S., stupid people will give money to other stupid people to do stupid or evil things.
The bottom line is that a stable, free and democratic Iraq is in Turkey's best interest, and your country's refusal to cooperate with us has been an obstacle to that. If the experiment fails, we can always go home and leave Turkey to deal with the mess it helped create on its own border--a fact they ought to consider carefully (Kerry has all but vowed to do just that and the failure of the Turks to help us is being used by his campaign as a reason he should be elected over Bush). Turkey's actions (or lack thereof) in this conflict have done more to encourage groups like PKK than anything we have done. Those actions also encourage the appeasers here in the U.S.
To use an old phrase, Turkey has cut off it's nose to spite it's face.
If turkish truck drivers and others allow themselves to be scared off the job, look for PKK to go on the attack in your own country. It's all connected.
>> After all, blaming the U.S. these days has become an international pass-time. And it's certainly easier than looking at home for the root causes of the problem.
Replace the mnemonic U.S. with Turkey, and you'll have heard my sentiment.
Gotto see more than one perspective. Always.
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