Fact, Fable, and Darwin (If you haven't read this already, you should!!!)

American Enterprise Magazine ^ | 8/04 | Rodney Stark

[PatrickHenry]

The Hovind Bankruptcy Decision.

[Havoc]

Ok, like I said before, you've killed the messenger, now how about the message. His presentation is a combination of the theories of other people - not things he came up with from whole clothe... Killing the messenger doesn't kill the message. You should know this from history. But it is a common debate tactic which I noted earlier.

[js1138]

But if you are looking for intermediates (and no one would ever accuse you of looking for evidence) you would find living intermediates. I thought intermediates were important.

[Havoc]

LOL. Intermediates. Now I think we're into the definition of the word "is".

[whattajoke]

Yay, for the first time you admit something that you previously didn't know/admit; that Hovind is a bum. Congrats.

Engineers have been engineering for an incredibly minute amount of time, WRT evolution. Give engineers a few billion years and methinks they'd come up with some better models.

There are guys out there with degrees out the wazoo that not only disagree with evolution; but, are disagreeing because of what they have observed in science.

Actually, what you'd learn is that there are 3 distinct grouping of these degreed folks.
1) the rather disturbingly large group with fake, questionable, shoddy "degrees" like Hovind.
2. The rather disturbingly large group who certainly DO NOT disagree at all with evolution, but have been misrepresented by creationists time and time again.
3. The incredibly small insular group who actually do have real degrees (like Duane Gish) who do the vast majority of creationist "work," and the other minute (there are 2, I think) group of ID proponents with real (though not biology) degrees out the wazoo.

The list is always the same, their arguments are never new, and their level of subterfuge is always monumental. Cripes, I could give you a list of scientists named Steve, all with PhD's, who all accept evolution. And that list would be bigger than any of your questionable ones.

[whattajoke]

666

[whattajoke]

Not trying persay to move the goalposts.

I know, I know, this is an ad hominem post, but you have mentioned how you like to learn stuff, so I'm just trying to help. It's "per se" and grammatically speaking, your sentence structure stinks.

[Havoc]

You're welcome. It's an honest debate tactic lol

[Publius6961]

(If you haven't read this already, you should!!!)

Why?
First of all, anyone who uses three exclamation points has some serious mental health problems (to say nothing of grammatical savvy).
Second of all, not having a life is even sadder than not having a brain. Topics which deal with "faith", from any angle, by definition involve the unproveable, so only a neurotic would obsess on it.

[Dimensio]

Right, and what came out of the egg?

Which egg? There have been lots of eggs. There were eggs before there were chickens, hence my response.

and what did it reproduce with?

Depends on what "it" was in the first place.

[Junior]

Kent Hovind hasn't even done the work required of a Ph.D.:

The Dissertation Kent Hovind Doesn't Want You to Read

[Havoc]

Are you a little behind on this or what LOL.

[Junior]

Hovind is a tax cheat:

The Hovind Bankruptcy Decision

Paragraph 3: "On March 25, 1996, the IRS filed its Motion to Dismiss alleging that this chapter 13 case was filed in bad faith for the sole purpose of avoiding payment of federal income taxes."

[Havoc]

Right. LOL. The numbers game again. We got more so we're right. You guys need to meet the Catholics and perhaps find out that argument hasn't worked real well for them either. Sorry to name names; but, this is an argument they whip out without thinking a lot of times and generally always have to eat it. You should know better

[Havoc]

Again, are you a little behind on this or what?

[js1138]

Left behind, or right?

[Havoc]

Behind.. as in missed the boat, lost in space, out in the woods, etc. Behind as in the show started and he walked in late. Behind. As in another word for Butt with a different usage. English word use here, not yet up to speed (apparently) with the conversation. We on the same page?

[js1138]

I was thinking Left Behind, as in half-A$$ed.

[Junior]

Hey, I've got work to do. I usually try to pick up a thread where I left off. I just hadn't gotten far when I saw your "so outrageous, it must be replied to" posts on that fraud, Hovind.

[js1138]

Sorry, my post was referring to a different poster on a different thread. Guess I can't tell my left from my right. The discussion was heating up about here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1185658/posts?page=95#95