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Changing minds
NARTH ^ | July 27, 2004 | George Archibald

Posted on 08/03/2004 5:48:23 PM PDT by scripter

Former homosexuals who had renounced same-sex relations were called "offensive" by delegates to this month's annual convention of the 2.7-million-member National Education Association (NEA).

"I'm really offended that you're even here," a delegate wearing the rainbow emblem of the NEA Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus told a supporter of the new NEA Ex-Gay Educators Caucus.

The Ex-Gay Educators Caucus distributed literature explaining that scientific research shows that homosexuality is not "a fixed, inborn trait."

Other opponents of the Ex-Gay Educators Caucus, whose exhibit was permitted for the first time at this year's union gathering at the D.C. Convention Center, also challenged the NEA's claim of being democratic and diverse.

One delegate who visited the exhibit told caucus members that there was "a special place in hell for us," said caucus founder Jeralee Smith from California, an elementary special-education teacher and former lesbian.

She said another NEA delegate remarked, "You might as well set up a Ku Klux Klan booth right next to you."

Noe Gutierrez Jr. of California, a former homosexual activist who is now a member of the Ex-Gay Educators Caucus, said the intolerance was a shocking repudiation of anti-prejudice views voiced by advocacy groups and the NEA.

"Prejudice is assuming you know someone before you take the time to know them," said Mr. Gutierrez, who was featured as a spokesman in a 1998 Public Broadcasting Service TV special on presenting homosexual issues in the schools.

"People made the association between us and gay-bashers," he said. "I mean, they definitely lumped us in with a whole lot of bad and came to our booth with that attitude, not open in any way to learning. Isn't that funny? So at an educators caucus, there is no learning taking place. No one who came to yell at us or who could be angry with us came with an open mind or were ready to learn anything."

Opposition to the message of the Ex-Gay Educators Caucus is led by Kevin Jennings, a former private school teacher in Massachusetts and founder of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. Mr. Jennings is a partner with the NEA in promoting acceptance of homosexuality through curriculum materials in the nation's schools as early as kindergarten and elementary grades. He was given the NEA's human rights "creative leadership" award at this year's convention.

"Ex-gay messages have no place in our nation's public schools," Mr. Jennings said in a publication of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. "A line has been drawn. There is no 'other side' when you're talking about lesbian, gay and bisexual students."

Warren Throckmorton, past president of the American Mental Health Counselors Association, disagreed.

"Kids want to understand themselves. It's very early in life to make a definition about one's sexual identity. Educators should give kids options to wait awhile, to consider a straight identity if they would rather that," he said.

"If you've got teachers in schools telling kids that their same-sex attractions mean they are gay, they could foreclose on the option of waiting awhile to discover their sexual identity and their option to discover their heterosexual potential. The earlier that you decide on a sexual label, the more likely you are to experiment with sex."

But homosexual advocates within the NEA and outside groups sent out word that this was an important battle for them.

"The two issues that have been at the forefront for us this year have been the 'ex-gay caucus' and the marriage amendment," Tom Nicholas and Cathy Figel, chairmen of the Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus, said in a message to the convention. "On the ex-gay issue, we are currently working with [NEA] President Reg Weaver to get to the delegates accurate information regarding reparative therapy."

The efforts of the Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus prompted the NEA to distribute to all 9,000 convention delegates copies of a 12-page 1999 brochure produced by the union, "Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer for Principals, Educators and School Personnel."

The brochure's central premise is that homosexuality is an inborn and immutable trait.

The Ex-Gay Educators Caucus, with Mr. Throckmorton's help, objected to NEA leaders that science does not support that view and persuaded Mr. Weaver to allow them to provide NEA delegates their six-page response titled "Respect and the Facts: How to Have Both in the Sexual Orientation Debate."

The NEA printed the response, which stated: "There is no consensus in current research to show that sexual orientation is a fixed, inborn trait. We believe sexual attractions are the product of nature and nurture and that sexual identity is a flexible experience for many people."

Miss Smith and Mr. Gutierrez say their own changes in sexual orientation are proof that homosexuality is not embedded in a person at birth.

Miss Smith said she became involved in homosexuality as the result of being sexually exploited when she was 15 by a female dean at the private school she attended. She says she might not have pursued homosexuality had it not been for that early experience.

"Young people who may not want to embrace the gay identity are not being given any hope," she said. "The stories of people who have not taken that choice are not being revealed, and there's a repression of information on the other side of the [pro-homosexual] viewpoint. And so we have to speak up."

Mr. Gutierrez says he "came out" as a homosexual at age 16, but by 24, "I felt empty, I felt dissatisfied, disillusioned."

Mr. Gutierrez, the son of a Pentecostal minister, says, "My whole identity had been swallowed up in my gay identity."

He says he objects to the way children are taught in schools that homosexuality is all right, but are denied other options for dealing with same-sex attraction as adolescents. The message given in many schools is: "If you're experiencing feelings of same-sex attraction, the only way you're going to be happy is to adopt them into a gay identity," he says.

The Ex-Gay Educators Caucus has a different message.

"At the very core of our stance is that gays can change, and we want to be there for the student who is unhappy about adopting a gay identity and who very much wants to explore venues toward change, toward being heterosexually identified," Mr. Gutierrez says.


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1 posted on 08/03/2004 5:48:28 PM PDT by scripter
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To: ItsOurTimeNow; EdReform; little jeremiah

Ping


2 posted on 08/03/2004 5:48:49 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Once again, gay activists show they are the enemies of freedom of speech and thought. The thought police have been incredibly effective in their long march through the culture.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 5:50:36 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: scripter

WE need a list of HELP FOR NEA people. Those folks are sucking off of our tax dollars while at the same time corrupting our kids.


4 posted on 08/03/2004 5:51:50 PM PDT by Viet-Boat-Rider (KERRY LIED)
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To: scripter
"I'm really offended that you're even here," a delegate wearing the rainbow emblem of the NEA Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Caucus told a supporter of the new NEA Ex-Gay Educators Caucus.

Such tolerance and inclusiveness is touching.

5 posted on 08/03/2004 5:54:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
"Ex-gay messages have no place in our nation's public schools," Mr. Jennings said in a publication of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. "A line has been drawn.

Mr. Jennings (of GLSEN) has covered his eyes and ears in an attempt to block the truth that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.

6 posted on 08/03/2004 5:55:14 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: Viet-Boat-Rider
WE need a list of HELP FOR NEA people.

I would imagine the ignorant NEA folks are never interested in help.

7 posted on 08/03/2004 5:58:10 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
"Ex-gay messages have no place in our nation's public schools," Mr. Jennings said

Of course not, only perverse homosexual, bi, transgendered and who-know-what else deviant sexual behavior should have a place in our schools (/sarcasm)

8 posted on 08/03/2004 5:59:49 PM PDT by apackof2 (Kind words are like honey-sweet to the soul and healthy for the body Pro.16:24)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Such tolerance and inclusiveness is touching.

Not only can they not tolerate ex-homosexuals, but their comment indicates they cannot even accept the fact that ex-homosexuals exist. And that is sad.

9 posted on 08/03/2004 6:00:35 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: apackof2

Indeed. Mr. Jennings comments speak volumes.


10 posted on 08/03/2004 6:02:13 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Whoops. The JONAH website made some changes. Here's their new site: Jews Offering New Alternatives to Homosexuality.
11 posted on 08/03/2004 6:05:32 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
"At the very core of our stance is that gays can change, and we want to be there for the student who is unhappy about adopting a gay identity and who very much wants to explore venues toward change, toward being heterosexually identified," Mr. Gutierrez says.

A very worthwhile core stance. If only people would listen...

12 posted on 08/03/2004 6:12:04 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Why do we even have to hear about their sexual preferences? NEA is not very high on my list of respected organizations...

I kept a pretty good eye on who exactly were my children's teachers...and their agendas while they were teaching.

We are all busy doing our OWN jobs every day, and parents shouldn't have to worry that their children are being subjected to influences they don't agree with or condone.


13 posted on 08/03/2004 6:13:23 PM PDT by bitt (what a crew!)
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To: scripter

The "tolerance" of the Left is an amazing thing to behold. But as they've come to apply convenient definitions of words all the way down to "is," it isn't even clear that we're speaking the same language anymore.


14 posted on 08/03/2004 6:19:25 PM PDT by sionnsar (Iran Azadi ||| Resource for Traditional Anglicans: trad-anglican.faithweb.com)
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To: bitt
Why do we even have to hear about their sexual preferences?

That is indeed the question.

15 posted on 08/03/2004 6:50:24 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter

Un-freaking-believable.

These homo-nazis have the gall to say this:

"Ex-gay messages have no place in our nation's public schools," Mr. Jennings said in a publication of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. "A line has been drawn. There is no 'other side' when you're talking about lesbian, gay and bisexual students."

The truth - that a person doesn't have to be "gay" - undermines their agenda. So they want to doom thousands of kids to the "gay" life. That's where the hopelessness, depression, drug and alcohol abuse, and suicidal tendencies come from. Not from societal disapproval.

If kids are told the truth, they'll have hope.


16 posted on 08/03/2004 7:04:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (The Islamic Jihad and the Homosexual Jihad both want to destroy us.)
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To: scripter
It seems the message to be gained from this article is:

"It is no longer enough to have the right to be gay--it is now required!"

17 posted on 08/03/2004 7:13:14 PM PDT by twhitak
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To: little jeremiah

Do you suppose at the NEA convention they discuss such boring things as reading, writing, and math?


18 posted on 08/03/2004 7:25:37 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: scripter
"People made the association between us and gay-bashers," he said. "I mean, they definitely lumped us in with a whole lot of bad and came to our booth with that attitude, not open in any way to learning. Isn't that funny? So at an educators caucus, there is no learning taking place. No one who came to yell at us or who could be angry with us came with an open mind or were ready to learn anything."

Of course they are not open to learning, The truth may be exposed, they couldn't have that happen! The very concept of homosexuality flies in the face of every logical argument known to man, even if every person on earth would give up the fight against their perverse way of life nature itself would literally scream opposition at them! homosexuality has no redeemable qualities whatsoever period! keep it out of the schools!

19 posted on 08/03/2004 7:26:03 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004!)
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To: little jeremiah
If kids are told the truth, they'll have hope.

Kinda reminds me of the tactics of Jessie Jackson. According to Jennings we need to keep folks where they are and never give 'em hope.

20 posted on 08/03/2004 7:39:50 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: twhitak
"It is no longer enough to have the right to be gay--it is now required!"

I think that's the post of the day, or the thread, or, well, it's a great point...

21 posted on 08/03/2004 7:41:11 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: scripter
Bump


What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

22 posted on 08/04/2004 6:36:09 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: scripter
Link to the original Washington Times article (for those of the anti-NARTH persuasion):

http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20040726-102641-8699r

23 posted on 08/04/2004 6:47:38 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: scripter; Unam Sanctam; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; Bryan; Travis McGee; Coleus; Born Conservative; ...

Mr. Jennings (of GLSEN) has covered his eyes and ears in an attempt to block the truth that thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.


Kevin Jennings, the founder of GLSEN, is a homosexual activist whose mission is to fill the eyes and ears of the precious children in our public schools with homosexual propaganda. Make no mistake, Jennings knows exactly what he's doing.

I encourage anyone who wants to know more about Kevin Jennings and GLSEN to read through the information and articles linked below.

GLSEN needs to be booted out of the public schools.

An excerpt from 'Queering the Schools' with response from Kevin Jennings, Executive Director of GLSEN and the editors response to Kevin Jennings.

( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=125#125 )

An Introduction to GLSEN.

( http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/668271/posts?page=131#131 )

Hurricane GLSEN

( http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Fey20030928.shtml )

GLSEN and Its Influence on Children

( http://www.narth.com/docs/glsen.html )

GLSEN Encourages Teens In Anal SEX "Don't give up."

( http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9be92c26df.htm )

The Queering of Elementary Education

( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts?page=285#285 )

An excerpt from "Targeting Children - Part two: How the homosexual movement uses public schools as instruments of change"

( http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/childrenb.asp )

"GLSEN activist and New York kindergarten teacher Jaki Williams said starting in kindergarten is a must, since children at that age are still developing their ideas about the world around them. Even at that age, she said, “the saturation process needs to begin.”

Williams, in fact, is a model teacher when it comes to this “saturation” process. She regularly initiates conversations with her children by reading to them such controversial books as Heather Has Two Mommies, Daddy’s Roommate, and One Dad, Two Dads, Browns Dads, Blue Dads. She also hosts a viewing of the video Both of My Moms’ Names Are Judy: Children of Lesbians and Gays Speak Out, produced by a San Francisco pro-homosexual advocacy group.

According to one writer for The Lambda Report, who infiltrated a 1997 GLSEN workshop, one former teacher admitted that changing the mind of a child required more than a one-time effort. She said she had to expose her children to a constant stream of homosexual words and images, because "It’s really a conditioning process."


Example Offered of Real Homosexual Agenda in America's Schools

( http://www.FreeRepublic.com/focus/news/675813/posts )

"The school board says it’s about harassment, it’s about tolerance. Well, what does GLSEN say?" she asks. "The executive director, Kevin Jennings, says that it is about promoting homosexuality. That’s what he said is his mission. Let me read you his quote. He said, ‘Promoting homosexuality -- we can make it happen. That is our mission from this day forward.’ "

Folger describes the prospects as "frightening." "We had people that went into the GLSEN meetings. And make no mistake, this is not about tolerance in meeting with teachers -- it's about getting to the children," she says. "In fact, it was in that GLSEN meeting, locally held, that they said, 'We need this agreement to get to the children.' "


See also the following replies in scripter's Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1):

( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1026551/posts )

Replies: 80, 141, 142, 152, 155, 167, 168, 173, 174, 175, 179, 189, 202, 204, 206, 208, 216, 223, 226, 230, 238, 246, 256, 270, 271, and 285.


24 posted on 08/04/2004 8:25:12 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow

Meant to address #24 to you, too - sorry!


25 posted on 08/04/2004 8:36:12 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: scripter

- Homosexual Agenda PING -

Those attempting to actually HELP homosexuals end their destructive and unhealthy lifestyles are labelled as "bigots", "haters", and "homophobes".

The homosexual enablers, the ones actually hurting them, are heralded as heros and allies.

Bad = Good, Good = Bad. Where have I read that before...?

Lovely to see that the NEA, those that are responsible for educating the future of this country, are partnered up with such bastions of morality and ethical clarity.

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26 posted on 08/04/2004 9:40:23 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (1xy1xx)
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To: little jeremiah; scripter

Un-freaking-believable


Indeed! From the article:

Opposition to the message of the Ex-Gay Educators Caucus is led by Kevin Jennings, a former private school teacher in Massachusetts and founder of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. Mr. Jennings is a partner with the NEA in promoting acceptance of homosexuality through curriculum materials in the nation's schools as early as kindergarten and elementary grades. He was given the NEA's human rights "creative leadership" award at this year's convention.

"Ex-gay messages have no place in our nation's public schools," Mr. Jennings said in a publication of the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network. "A line has been drawn. There is no 'other side' when you're talking about lesbian, gay and bisexual students."


Now consider this excerpt from "CFI Panel Exposes GLSEN’s Cross-Dressing Agenda - Medical Doctor Says Young Male AIDS Cases Linked to Abuse

"... FROM ABUSE VICTIM TO ‘GAY’ STUDENT

LaBarbera also relayed an account by GLSEN Executive Director Kevin Jennings in which he counseled one of his former students, a sophomore boy named Brewster who had been victimized by a homosexual pedophile. According to his account in his book One Teacher in Ten: Gay and Lesbian Educators Tell Their Stories, Jennings, then an openly homosexual teacher at the private Concord Academy in Massachusetts, met with the troubled Brewster, who nervously revealed “a story about his involvement with an older man he had met in Boston.” Jennings wrote that after the talk, Brewster “left my office with a smile on his face that I would see every time I saw him on campus.”

Jennings said proudly that he had helped the boy realize “that it’s OK to be gay.” Several years later, he saw Brewster at a homosexual restaurant in Boston. “He was now twenty-two, taking time off from college, and living with his boyfriend,” Jennings wrote.

LaBarbera said the story illustrates the problem of open homosexual activists working in schools and using their authority and trust as role models to promote false, unhealthy sexual identities to impressionable students. He said that in reality, young Brewster was not “gay,” as Jennings had claimed, but the confused victim of a homosexual predator..."


27 posted on 08/04/2004 9:48:01 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: little jeremiah; All

So they want to doom thousands of kids to the "gay" life.


Ding, ding, ding!!! Absolutely correct answer!

I encourage everyone to get a copy of the book The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce, and read Chapter Four: First the Culture, Then the Children: The Agenda of the Radical Gay Elite and Chapter Seven: Destruction of the Innocents: The Left Targets Children. You won't believe it!

From Chapter Four:

"The radicals in control of the gay establishment want children in their world of moral decay, lack of self-restraint, and moral relativism. Why? How better to truly belong to the majority (when you're really on the fringe) than by taking possession of the next generation? By targeting children, you can start indoctrinating the next generation with the false construct that gay people deserve special treatment and special laws." (Pg.88)

"I believe this grab for children by the sexually confused adults of the Gay Elite repesents the most serious problem facing our culture today." (Pg.94)

"Between GLSEN, the Happy Penis, Phil, and now Kami, I'd say the Gay Elite have your children as a captive audience. Whether you like it or not, they have appointed themselves your children's moral tutor." (pg.119)


Compare what Tammy Bruce has written with the following articles:

Targeting Children - How the gay movement intends to capture the next generation

Targeting Children - Part two: How the homosexual movement uses public schools as instruments of change

Targeting Children - Part three: Activists encouraging experimentation

Targeting Children - Part four: Access to children: homosexuality and molestation

28 posted on 08/04/2004 10:00:40 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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- Homosexual Agenda PING -

Those attempting to actually HELP homosexuals end their destructive and unhealthy lifestyles are labelled as "bigots", "haters", and "homophobes".

The homosexual enablers, the ones actually hurting them, are heralded as heros and allies.

Bad = Good, Good = Bad. Where have I read that before...?

Lovely to see that the NEA, those that are responsible for educating the future of this country, are partnered up with such bastions of morality and ethical clarity.

(If you want on or off this ping list, please FReepmail me.)

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29 posted on 08/04/2004 10:09:28 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (1xy1xx)
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To: scripter; EdReform; John O; little jeremiah
Based on my read of this article, it seems the Gay Agenda is violently opposed to the ex-gay message. Give them credit, they recognize the lynch-pin in their argument and how it might be pulled out. Their unwillingness to even discuss the issue shows how crucial it is to them to keep the knowledge that gays can go straight away from their indoctrination centers.

Based on my read of this article, it would also be fair to say that a key talking point of the gay agenda is that the ex-gay movement is just a political power ploy. This statement could be used to identify an agitator. Anyone else would at least be willing to listen.

Shalom.

30 posted on 08/04/2004 10:42:45 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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31 posted on 08/04/2004 10:51:23 AM PDT by Born Conservative (“Consensus is the negation of leadership.” – Margaret Thatcher)
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To: dukeman
Do you suppose at the NEA convention they discuss such boring things as reading, writing, and math?

Why would educators have any interest in that boring stuff when they can talk about sex?

Shalom.

32 posted on 08/04/2004 11:00:13 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: ArGee

it seems the Gay Agenda is violently opposed to the ex-gay message


Indeed they are - examples posted here and here.

Additional documentation posted here.

33 posted on 08/04/2004 11:36:27 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: ArGee; dukeman

Do you suppose at the NEA convention they discuss such boring things as reading, writing, and math?

Why would educators have any interest in that boring stuff when they can talk about sex?


An excerpt from "Focus Changed at Fistgate This Year; Less Raw Sex"

"Shafer began her session by saying, "There are always going to be people - parents, administrators, students, colleagues, and maybe even your friends - who think that you shouldn't include GLBT issues in the classroom, that they don't belong in a younger grade classroom. But I think that they do, and I am assuming that you are here because you also think so." She then asked participants to write down reasons why they think GLBT issues should be shared in the K-5 classroom...

One teacher intern at the Devotion School in Brookline gave this rationale: "It's important to help children become agents of change."

Shafer recalled that several years ago, while she was still "in the closet," GLSEN executive director Kevin Jennings paid a visit to her school and: "It was at that point that I was able to begin coming out."

She expressed concern that teachers in the younger-grades in the Commonwealth are being pressured to abandon values-related and social skill-building activities in their classrooms in favor of academic activities, such as learning to write an expository essay. "That's the message I'm getting, and I think a lot of teachers are getting that, and that's kind of scary to me, and I don't think it's an easy time to be a progressive teacher in Massachusetts right now..."


34 posted on 08/04/2004 11:51:46 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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Hi madg!


35 posted on 08/04/2004 12:32:12 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: EdReform

I just ate an afternoon snack and your posted reply is about to make me wretch it up! This is beyond disgusting....


36 posted on 08/04/2004 12:33:44 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: ArGee
Why would educators have any interest in that boring stuff when they can talk about sex?

Shalom.

Shalom to you as well,

It is strange, but there are some educators who think that by discussing sex they are "reaching out" to students. Actually, they are showing students that they can be as immature as teen-agers. Kids in school need basics from their teachers, not sex-therapy. And besides, this is a way to find out whom among the student body is ready for sex with a teacher. All very much part of the NEA, but not good for education.

37 posted on 08/04/2004 12:50:06 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: dukeman
Sorry 'bout that! ;o) If reply 34 made you nauseous, reading through the following threads will be the equivalent of sticking your finger down your throat:

Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate'

Fistgate to be Held Again on March 15

Teaching Kindergarten Kids About 'Human Differences' and Homosexuality Isn't 'Easy' in Newton


38 posted on 08/04/2004 1:03:30 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: scripter

"You might as well set up a Ku Klux Klan booth right next to you."

DRAMA QUEENS.

Look at the words used in this thing. If EX homosexuals can not speak to the truth about this issue, then who can? I think what it really is is that liberals are so threatened by anyone who can speak from experience and show a change in their lives ie ex-homosexuals, ex-liberals, ex-teachers(John Gatto), etc. They hate that their are REAL examples out there of people who have turned from their questionable values.


39 posted on 08/04/2004 1:20:56 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: scripter; MississippiMan
Reply 155 in your Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Revision 1.1) thread documents a presentation at MississippiMan's church by an ex-gay "who presented an insider's view of the homosexual community."
40 posted on 08/04/2004 1:33:31 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: EdReform


"GLSEN activist and New York kindergarten teacher Jaki Williams said starting in kindergarten is a must, since children at that age are still developing their ideas about the world around them. Even at that age, she said, “the saturation process needs to begin.”


What has always made this so completely and utterly underhanded and disgusting besides the material is the fact that they KNOW at 5 most parents will not even be broaching this topic so they are the ones to introduce it in a positive light. They seek to play stealth by introducing long before the parents intend to and without regard for whether the parent approves of the topic being taught regardless of its slant. SICK bastards. This type of thing is what convinces me that they are really out there hoping to recruit children. Why else introduce it earlier and earlier unless to normalize it and put it in a positive light long before the parents will introduce the topic? What would be the point otherwise? To stop hateful behavior? Gee, I"m only 34 and this subject was only minimally broached in health class as a teen--people my age seem to tolerate homosexuals just fine even if we do not approve of the lifestyle. The only way they could lend creedence to that issue is if there is a sharp rise in homosexual homicides committed by populations who don't approve of that lifestyle and it isn't happening which leads me back to what seems to be their ultimate wish and that is to boost their numbers in so many years via indoctrinating children that this is acceptable behavior for those children when they grow up.


41 posted on 08/04/2004 1:38:24 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: EdReform

Thanks for the link to the printable version. I couldn't find the original with a cursory look, but once at the printable version I found the link to the original.


42 posted on 08/04/2004 1:40:56 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: EdReform

What a sick POS creature this bastard is. What he's done counseling that boy the way he did was to put in his mind not only that homosexuality is ok, but that pedophilic homosexuality is ok--if this young man had any leanings that way due to his abuse, he's encouraged it. If that young men EVER touches a child, he should be made directly responsible for his encouragement.
I cry to think this young man was not told what he really needed to hear. That the man who did this to him was a sick predator gay or not and that he should not let it shape his sexual identity since it was not his fault and doese not mean he's gay. Someone as dangerous as Jennings, I would not put it past him using this young man's hurt to fulfill his own sick desires. Poor child, such a diservice done to him. Instead of "living with his boyfriend" if he'd been counseled adequately, he would likely be engaged to a wonderful girl and well on the way to healing from what was done to him. Instead he gets to live the abuse reaped on him over and over again--he punishes himself continually despite what Jennings would like to think.


43 posted on 08/04/2004 1:43:34 PM PDT by cupcakes
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To: ArGee; All
Give them credit, they recognize the lynch-pin in their argument and how it might be pulled out. Their unwillingness to even discuss the issue shows how crucial it is...

This is so true and is the main reason for my tagline.

I think you either posted or pointed us to an excellent article some time ago. An article that is long but so very worth the read. It's an article that should be read by everyone involved in this debate. Here's a link to the article:

Defeating Gay Arguments
In the above you read about (among other things) the importance of defining terms and keeping the debate on subject. A crucial read for those who want hone their debate skills. Read it. Learn it. Use it.
44 posted on 08/04/2004 1:54:46 PM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: bitt; scripter; cupcakes; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; little jeremiah; ItsOurTimeNow; Bryan

NEA is not very high on my list of respected organizations...


And rightfully so:

The National Education Association: Emphasis on the Ass



We are all busy doing our OWN jobs every day, and parents shouldn't have to worry that their children are being subjected to influences they don't agree with or condone.


Indeed. Keeping an eye on and exposing the homosexual agenda takes loads of time and financial resources, and most parents and other concerned citizens can't do it full time. But the major homosexual organizations can, because they are well funded and have full time staff -- and their staff and directors are very well paid. It's their full-time job to promote their agenda across America. All day, every day:

An excerpt from "GLAAD’s Garry earns top salary among gay leaders - Compensation for heads of 18 national gay groups lower than association ‘median’"

"Joan Garry, executive director of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, had the highest salary among the heads of America’s 18 national gay civil rights organizations with a paid staff in 2002, the latest year for which non-profit groups were required by law to disclose salary information to the IRS and the public.

A survey of salaries of the heads of the 18 groups, conducted by the Washington Blade, shows that that Garry received a 2002 salary of $198,730 and additional benefits of $9,930, for a total compensation package of $208,666...

The 18 national gay groups are among the thousands of non-profit organizations in the United States that must file annual reports with the IRS disclosing financial information, including the salaries of their chief operating officers. The IRS, which grants these organizations an exemption from paying taxes on all of their income, requires the groups to submit the salary and other financial data on an IRS 990 Form, which must also be released to the public upon request...

In 2002, Birch’s $201,486 compensation package came at a time when HRC’s annual revenue was $20.5 million and the group raised an additional $7 million to help pay for a new headquarters building, making HRC by far the nation’s largest gay political group..."


Here are the salaries for 2002 that they have listed for the top officials of the top five homosexual activist organizations ( and since they have great influence in the public schools, the data for PFLAG is also included ):

Organization Annual Revenue Salary | Benefits
Human Rights Campaign/ HRC Foundation $20.5 million $193,513 | $7,973
Lambda Legal Defense & Education Fund $7.6 million $178,500 | $21,834
Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) $4.4 million $198,730 | $9,930
Gay, Lesbian & Straight Education Network (GLSEN) $3.1 million $152,900 | $12,232
National Gay & Lesbian Task Force/ NGLTF Policy Institute $3 million $150,000
Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians & Gays (PFLAG) $2.6 million $78,317



All of these and other homosexual activist organizations are supported by various corporate sponsors:

An excerpt from "Hurricane GLSEN" by Marc Fey, TownHall.com, September 28, 2003

"It’s not just that they are generously funded, though they certainly are. Revenues for 2001 were $3.35 million, and this year’s conference was liberally supported by Kodak, Levi Strauss, Microsoft, and IBM whose logos were emblazoned on banners, brochures, and conference freebies. For the close to 500 people in attendance, including about 100 junior high and senior high students, the companies hoped to capture this powerful purchasing sector—gays and youth—arguably two of the most powerful buying sectors in America today."


Who funds Homosexual and Lesbian Groups


And here's an example of how some of HRC's money is used to indoctrinate kids:

Human Rights Campaign Foundation invades saturday morning cartoons (My title)


( More later... )

45 posted on 08/04/2004 8:11:56 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: EdReform

wow - good stuff there!

While Clinton tricked us with the 'don't ask, don't tell' policies, these organizations were plugging away attempting to legitimize everything homosexual. Now look where we are.


46 posted on 08/04/2004 8:22:27 PM PDT by bitt
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To: scripter

You're welcome! I've been working on documentation and compiling links for your Index of Links thread. I hope to get some of it posted this weekend.


47 posted on 08/04/2004 8:49:26 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: bitt
Here's another example of homosexual organizations spending big money (although in this case their money went down the toilet - they lost!!):

An excerpt from "Message of Voters in Missouri Against Gay Marriage Leaves Backers Discouraged: HUGE PRIMARY TURNOUT"

The spending had been lopsided here, with supporters of gay marriage spending $450,000 to fight the measure with television advertising and polling, compared with $19,000 spent by opponents.

"Still, we were just a little bit out-organized," said Seth Kilbourn, national field director for the Human Rights Campaign, a Washington group that helped pay for the Missouri opposition. "We can't let that happen again."


48 posted on 08/04/2004 9:34:39 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: EdReform

I think I'm going to get sick that Lambda brings in any money let alone several million a year. Truly disgusting. The contributors to that "special interest" should be under close scrutiny imo.


49 posted on 08/05/2004 8:18:02 AM PDT by cupcakes
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To: scripter

Naturally the leftists attack and show their famous "tolerance".

It is "Free Speech" when you are spouting their talking points. It is "hate" when you disagree.


50 posted on 08/05/2004 8:22:11 AM PDT by spodefly (This post meets the minimum daily requirements for cynicism and irony.)
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