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It's Worth The Price --
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 8/3/04 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 08/03/2004 6:30:56 PM PDT by ParsifalCA

If we had not invaded Iraq, French banks, French politicians and French businessmen would be richer. French, German and Russian arms dealers would be richer. Kofi Anan's son would be richer. Numerous high-ranking UN officials would be richer. The European and Middle-Eastern businessmen who sold the Iraqi people expired medicines, rancid cooking oil and spoiled foodstuffs under the UN Oil-For-Food program would be richer. Uday and Qusay would be richer (and still alive). And, of course, Saddam would be richer.

And the French would be complaining about something else...

To be fair, we American spoilsports (who upset the international gravy-train for all those self-righteous Europeans and Middle-Eastern butchers) did make one inexcusable mistake: We didn't go to Baghdad in 1991, but listened to our Saudi "friends."

Even foregoing my favorite argument that this war was morally noble (where were all those Hollywood personalities when Saddam was killing more Muslims than any tyrant since Tamerlane? Has chubby old Linda Ronstadt ever smelled a mass grave? Did Susan Sarandon and her wife, Tim Robbins, ever protest the genocide against the Kurds? Have the Dixie Chicks ever been abducted, raped and disfigured by a dictator's thugs?)...leaving all that aside, we have taken the great anti-Western war our enemies began to their turf, and that is never a mistake.

Making one's enemies suffer is currently an under-valued activity.

Had we not forced our collective enemies to face us in the Middle East, they could have devoted the resources they're expending in Iraq to striking us at home. And yes, they'll strike us at home again, eventually--this is a colossal struggle. But passivity, appeasement and cowardice only encourage them and make it easier for them to draw strength. It is never a mistake to strike down an enemy who has sworn to kill us--as both our Islamic and secular Middle-Eastern enemies hope to do. Saddam Hussein was as much a part of the problem of the decayed, morally leprous Middle East as Osama bin Laden is. The War on Terror isn't a minor affair, but a titanic struggle with a failed civilization that includes both vicious mullahs and cynical murderers--both those who drink the poison of hate from the fouled springs of their religion and those who guzzle scotch behind closed doors (not infrequently one and the same).

If we had not deposed Saddam Hussein's regime, nothing would have changed in the Middle East. And change, so long delayed, is essential. Even should the Iraqi people fail to take advantage of the unprecedented chance we have given them to build a better future, the effort was worthwhile. On its worst day, Iraq is now a better place than it was before our soldiers crossed its borders.

If we had not deposed Saddam, dictators everywhere, as well as terrorists, would have continued to believe that the United States was all bluster, that Afghanistan was a one-off exception, an easy score. Indeed, even the tough occupation and our continued presence serve to prove that the Clinton era is over, that you can no longer make America run by killing its sons and daughters.

We may lament every American casualty--but not one has died in vain. Our display of strength, resolve and grit has, indeed, made America and the world safer--although this struggle will continue, in many forms, for decades to come. You cannot expect instant success when faced with a problem that has been forming for centuries--the decline of a once-great civilization into a static culture that is entirely parasitic, that makes not a single positive contribution to the rest of the world. In the end, no matter what we do, it will be up to the Arabs to right themselves--and it's far from certain that they will ever show the will or the wherewithal to fix their broken world. In the meantime, our liberation of Iraq graphically demonstrated the price Middle-Eastern regimes can be made to pay when they choose to export their problems, as Saddam Hussein repeatedly tried to do.

It doesn't matter in the least if the Baathist regime in Baghdad had no direct ties to al-Qaeda--both were manifestations of the same civilizational disease, the same culture of failure, hatred, oppression and inertia.

There is evil in the world. And if we had not gone to Iraq, evil would still be flourishing in Baghdad.

We haven't finished anything in this great struggle. But we've made an impressive start.

Ralph Peters is the author of Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace. copyright 2004 - Ralph Peters


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts; US: New York; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; justwar; ralphpeters; terror; war

1 posted on 08/03/2004 6:30:58 PM PDT by ParsifalCA
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To: ParsifalCA
Making one's enemies suffer is currently an under-valued activity.

My new Tagline!

2 posted on 08/03/2004 6:42:39 PM PDT by tsmith130 (Making one's enemies suffer is currently an under-valued activity.)
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To: ParsifalCA

3 posted on 08/03/2004 6:45:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Flip Spiceland, where are you?)
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To: ParsifalCA
I’ve been reading Bush vs. the Beltway which examines numerous terrorists’ activities that were sponsored by Iraq. Hussein supposedly organized attacks against Egypt in the early to mid ‘90s, most notably the attack in Luxor.
4 posted on 08/03/2004 7:06:56 PM PDT by neefer (Ohio is Bush country.)
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To: ParsifalCA
By far one of the best posts I have read so far....I'm actually going to steal a line for tag...see below :)
5 posted on 08/03/2004 7:35:34 PM PDT by PaulaB (Making one's enemies suffer is currently an under-valued activity)
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To: ParsifalCA

What a wonderful post. I appreciate what you're saying, and how you said it. If only the people who might change their minds would read it...


6 posted on 08/04/2004 12:00:17 AM PDT by liscat
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To: liscat

I've read it and I haven't changed my mind. Sorry. I still think it was a foolish move to invade Iraq. I don't think it's helped the War on Terror and I don't think it's made the world safer.

I agree that many of the secondary benefits have been welcome. No-one can say that putting the Hussein boys on a slab wasn't a great move and it always feels good to derail a gravy train.

However, I still don't believe that the primary aim; to win the War on Terror, has been achieved or will be achieved through tactics like this.

A very well written article, though and a worthy read.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 8:39:02 AM PDT by Slipperduke (*lurks*)
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To: ParsifalCA; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...
Ralph Peters:

...we have taken the great anti-Western war our enemies began to their turf, and that is never a mistake.

Making one's enemies suffer is currently an under-valued activity.

Had we not forced our collective enemies to face us in the Middle East, they could have devoted the resources they're expending in Iraq to striking us at home. And yes, they'll strike us at home again, eventually--this is a colossal struggle. But passivity, appeasement and cowardice only encourage them and make it easier for them to draw strength. It is never a mistake to strike down an enemy who has sworn to kill us--as both our Islamic and secular Middle-Eastern enemies hope to do. Saddam Hussein was as much a part of the problem of the decayed, morally leprous Middle East as Osama bin Laden is. The War on Terror isn't a minor affair, but a titanic struggle with a failed civilization that includes both vicious mullahs and cynical murderers--both those who drink the poison of hate from the fouled springs of their religion and those who guzzle scotch behind closed doors (not infrequently one and the same).

If we had not deposed Saddam Hussein's regime, nothing would have changed in the Middle East. And change, so long delayed, is essential. Even should the Iraqi people fail to take advantage of the unprecedented chance we have given them to build a better future, the effort was worthwhile. On its worst day, Iraq is now a better place than it was before our soldiers crossed its borders.

If we had not deposed Saddam, dictators everywhere, as well as terrorists, would have continued to believe that the United States was all bluster, that Afghanistan was a one-off exception, an easy score. Indeed, even the tough occupation and our continued presence serve to prove that the Clinton era is over, that you can no longer make America run by killing its sons and daughters.

...It doesn't matter in the least if the Baathist regime in Baghdad had no direct ties to al-Qaeda--both were manifestations of the same civilizational disease, the same culture of failure, hatred, oppression and inertia.

There is evil in the world. And if we had not gone to Iraq, evil would still be flourishing in Baghdad.

We haven't finished anything in this great struggle. But we've made an impressive start.

 


Nailed It!
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8 posted on 08/04/2004 10:53:07 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Slipperduke

It wasn't foolish to invade Iraq, it was the smartest idea that anybody evere came up with, and the world is definitely on a path that will allow it to be safer ( unlike the previous path of the Clintons that allowed dangers to build and build without being handled).

I don't know why it is so hard to see the many benefits of what we did. At a minimum the old saying "offense is the best defense" applies in spades when we are talking about shadowy terrorist networks and countries developing WMDs.


9 posted on 08/04/2004 6:04:26 PM PDT by sd-joe (Bush has power, while Kerry has only ambition)
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To: martin_fierro
ROTFLMAO!!!
10 posted on 08/04/2004 9:08:18 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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To: neefer

If I may suggest
The Connection : How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America
by Stephen F. Hayes
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060746734/qid=1091679035/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/104-4916824-8211161

From Publishers Weekly
Weekly Standard reporter Hayes marshals a wealth of evidence that, in contrast with the tenuous connections that have so far made news, point to ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and al-Qaeda. Most intriguingly, Hayes finds links between Iraq and the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, one of whom apparently received shelter and financial support from Iraq after the attack. Hayes also gets confirmation by Czech officials of the alleged Prague meeting between September 11 hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence agent. Elsewhere, Hayes points to Iraqi intelligence documents that mention a "good relationship" with bin Laden. Other sources note an alleged agreement for Iraq to assist al-Qaeda in making chemical and biological weapons. Relying both on "open sources" like news articles, transcripts from the 1998 embassy bombing trials, as well as anonymous intelligence reports and informants, Hayes allows that some of these stories may prove unreliable. But he contends that the number, consistency and varied provenance of reports of high-level contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq throughout the past decade allows one to "connect the dots" into a clear pattern of collaboration. Despite the frustrating absence of source notes and no knowledge of what cooperative efforts ever came of these contacts, most readers will conclude from this volume that the Saddam–al-Queda thread has some play left in it.


11 posted on 08/04/2004 9:12:37 PM PDT by Valin (Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.)
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