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Spain lashes out as Gibraltar celebrates anniversary
Guardian ^ | 08/04/04 | Giles Tremlett

Posted on 08/03/2004 6:59:07 PM PDT by Pikamax

Spain lashes out as Gibraltar celebrates anniversary

Giles Tremlett in Madrid Wednesday August 4, 2004 The Guardian

Spain yesterday accused the British government of lacking "self-control" and "sensitivity" as Gibraltar, with the help of the Royal Navy and the defence secretary, Geoff Hoon, prepared to celebrate today's 300th anniversary of the expulsion of its Spanish population. As Gibraltarians held a street party last night, Spain's Socialist foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, said Mr Hoon's visit was merely the latest in a series of British blunders over the Rock.

"It is very strange that, in the European Union of the 21st century, one member state should be celebrating the military occupation of part of another member state," Mr Moratinos wrote in El País newspaper.

He complained of Britain's "clear lack of sensitivity" in permitting a visit to Gibraltar by Princess Anne and allowing another visit by the submarine HMS Tireless, which sparked a huge row when it was repaired there several years ago.

The frigate HMS Grafton became the first Royal Navy vessel to fire a 21-gun salute in Gibraltar's harbour for 54 years when it arrived at the weekend.

This has also riled Spain - which wants a return of the sovereignty lost in 1704.

Mr Moratinos said the British government "should have made some gesture" to the descendants of those who fled, or were expelled by, the Anglo-Dutch forces who stormed Gibraltar.

The loss of the region's main port had, Mr Moratinos said, condemned locals to centuries of poverty and had blighted the local economy ever since.

The reaction of the Spanish government to the anniversary party has been restrained compared with that of some politicians, who have accused Britain of behaving "like a 17th-century colonial power", according to one senior Socialist, and of "philofascism", according to a local communist.

Gibraltar's first minister, Peter Caruana, meanwhile, has further irritated Spain by calling its reaction "impertinent" and telling Madrid the anniversary celebrations were "none of their business".

While a spokesman for the Foreign Office told Spanish journalists their government was indulging in "childlike" behaviour, the US cancelled a visit by navy vessel USS McFaul, saying it did not want to offend Spain.

The slowly snowballing affair has proved an embarrassment for the Socialist prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, who admitted that the lowest point of his first 100 days in government was the visit of HMS Tireless.

Rightwing newspapers and the conservative opposition in Spain have whipped up popular outrage at the celebrations, while the government has tried to dampen the controversy.

Mr Moratinos yesterday went much further than his predecessors in recognising that Spain needs to win over Gibraltarians if it is to have any hope of regaining sovereignty.

"Negotiations about sovereignty cannot be carried out properly in an atmosphere of confrontation, even if this is only because the Gibraltarians themselves should take part," he said.

Previous Spanish governments have imposed rigorous police controls at the Gibraltar border so that it takes hours to enter or leave.

That may help to explain why, when asked in a referendum in 2002 whether they supported the government's plans to negotiate shared sovereignty between Spain and Britain, 99% of its 18,000 voters said no.

Spain's political right has gloated over Mr Zapatero's difficulties, claiming Britain would never have been so heavy-handed had the conservative ex-prime minister, José María Aznar, a friend of Tony Blair, still been in power.

Mr Aznar's People's party yesterday taunted Mr Zapatero, who has shifted Spain's allegiance towards France and Germany, over his inability to have a "normal, logical and constructive" relationship with the Blair government.

There have also been rumours, emanating from the Spanish foreign ministry, that Britain has decided to use the Gibraltar celebrations to snub Mr Zapatero for pulling Spanish troops out of Iraq.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gibraltar; spain
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1 posted on 08/03/2004 6:59:10 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

"While a spokesman for the Foreign Office told Spanish journalists their government was indulging in "childlike" behaviour, the US cancelled a visit by navy vessel USS McFaul, saying it did not want to offend Spain."

Huh?

Surely shome mistake?


2 posted on 08/03/2004 7:04:15 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone

No kidding, I say the McFaul visits and fires off a few of it's cannon.


3 posted on 08/03/2004 7:10:44 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: Pikamax
He complained of Britain's "clear lack of sensitivity" in permitting...

Whatever, pansy...
4 posted on 08/03/2004 7:15:32 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: Pikamax

Ah, who gives a crap what the spineless Spanish say? One terrorist attack and they run home with their tails between their legs like so many Frenchmen. To hell with 'em.


5 posted on 08/03/2004 7:21:39 PM PDT by Prime Choice (When Clinton lies, he insults our integrity. When Kerry lies, he insults our intelligence.)
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As Gibraltarians held a street party last night, Spain's Socialist foreign minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, said Mr Hoon's visit was merely the latest in a series of British blunders over the Rock.

Boy, these "let's all share the world" socialists sure get touchy when they think you've got theirs. But then I can see how this guy feels Spain should get the Rock back even after 300 years. After all, the muslims just got control of Spain back after over 500 years.

6 posted on 08/03/2004 7:27:13 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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From this article, the attitude of the socialists is revealed. Two passages that are relevant:

Negotiations between Madrid and London on sharing sovereignty fell apart in 2002 after Gibraltar's inhabitants rejected any role for Spain in a non-binding referendum.
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Moratinos said Britain should not use the population of Gibraltar as a pretext to avoid discussions.

So what if the lowly people dont want it, that's no excuse not to force it on them. Thank you elitist socialist snobs.

7 posted on 08/03/2004 7:34:50 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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"The reaction of the Spanish government to the anniversary party has been restrained compared with that of some politicians, who have accused Britain of behaving "like a 17th-century colonial power", according to one senior Socialist, and of "philofascism", according to a local communist." who then ran into his closet and screamed like a little girl at the impending approach of the shadow of Margaret Thatcher.
8 posted on 08/03/2004 7:35:42 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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Spain wants Gibralter they ought to just march up there and occupy it. Right. They ought to do that before China gets it.


9 posted on 08/03/2004 7:39:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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The entire spanish obsession with gibraltar is another blame-the-yankee device to keep their population angry at external entities, similar to the way the falklands have been used for decades by various argentine governments.

Under the spanish model of reversing 300-year old territorial gains/losses, it is clear the parts of france formerly belonging to germany should be returned. eastern europe of course is going to be unrecognizable when this is done.


10 posted on 08/03/2004 7:42:03 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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...even if this is only because the Gibraltarians themselves should take part...

geeee- ya think?

11 posted on 08/03/2004 8:59:00 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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When do you think the Spanish are going to give Cueta and Melilla (two small Spanish enclaves in North Africa) back to Morocco? Probably the first of never.

That sounds like a suitable date to give Gibraltar back to the Spanish. As long as the Gibraltarians want to remain a British territory and the British are willing and able to protect Gibraltar from the Spanish, the Rock will remain British.


12 posted on 08/03/2004 11:52:23 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

I think Cueta is a critical point here. If England does not remain in Gibraltor, then wouldn't Spain entirely control the western mouth to the Mediterranean? Their presence in Cueta is a military one--at least when I was there about 25 years ago, armed police lined many of the streets.


14 posted on 08/04/2004 5:45:54 AM PDT by twigs
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To: conservative in nyc
one could argue that gibraltar was a key to UK holding on in the early part of WWII, and hence, to Allied victory. it is quite possible that malta would have fallen, and that rommel would have won in africa and even moved on into the middle east (eventually)...

i have no sympathy for the spanish anymore -- i used to be very much a fan.

15 posted on 08/04/2004 5:47:57 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: twigs

Spain (under the Socialists) is now playing kissy-face with Morocco, and I would not be in the least surprised if Ceuta and Melilla are handed over to Morocco. That would mean that the western mouth of the Mediterranean would be at least partly controlled by Morocco, which is, in my opinion, not a good idea.


16 posted on 08/04/2004 5:54:07 AM PDT by livius
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I don't think that the entrance to the Mediterranean should be in the hands of ANY one power! I prefer the Spanish-British-Moroccan stand off of today. Do you really think that Spain would hand Cueta back to Morroco? I find that difficult to comprehend, although I have not kept up to date on the situation there.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 5:56:59 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Pikamax

Lashing out should never be used to describe those mama boys, wimps, stinking cowards, and terrorist appeasers.


18 posted on 08/04/2004 6:03:16 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Pikamax

When a country votes socialist, you can expect "sensitivity" to then become its primary goal. Over security, stability, economic progress etc.


19 posted on 08/04/2004 6:31:30 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Kerry is a self-confessed unindicted war criminal or ... a traitor to his country in a time of war)
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Well, I don't think the Spanish have any moral authority to question British ownership of Gibraltar until they pull out of Ceuta and Melilla. And I wouldn't think of asking them to.


20 posted on 08/04/2004 7:29:56 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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