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Muslims 'Tarnished' by Anti-Terror Raids
The Scotsman ^ | August 4, 2004 | Neville Dean

Posted on 08/04/2004 4:05:26 PM PDT by NCjim

Britain’s Islamic leaders tonight warned that the Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted following the arrest of 12 men in another round of anti-terror raids.

Police were tonight continuing to question the 12, who are all thought to be of Asian origin, at Paddington Green Police Station in London.

The men, aged between 19 and 32, were seized in a series of raids across the country yesterday on suspicion of being concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

Armed officers swooped in north-west London, Bushey in Hertfordshire, Luton, Bedfordshire, and Blackburn, Lancashire.

But tonight the Islamic community sounded a warning about the impact such anti-terror raids were having on British Muslims.

Inayet Bunglawala, from the Muslim Council of Great Britain, said: “This is the latest in a series of high-profile raids since 9/11 where a large group of mainly young Muslim men are arrested amongst massive nationwide publicity.

“More than 500 people have been arrested and yet less than 100 have been charged.

“There is now a growing bitterness in the Muslim community. It seems the vast majority of these people are arrested amid very high publicity and yet when they are released it does not attract the same publicity.

“I think the police have a lot more to do in terms of working with the Muslim community and gaining their trust.”

Massoud Shadjareh, chair of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: “The problem is that these raids are continually creating an image which equates Islam with terrorism and acts of violence.

“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia.”

And Yasin Rehman, of the Luton Council of Mosques, said the town’s Muslim community were feeling persecuted by the second anti-terror raids in four months.

“Muslims have been targeted and their lives have been tarnished,” he said.

“If these raids are successful and the police do find something, that is supportable.

“But in the last raids (in March this year) no-one was charged or convicted and it gives them the feeling they are being targeted.”

Police have until tomorrow night to question the 12 men before they have to apply to magistrates for an extension to the detention period of up to two weeks.

The men were being questioned by officers from the Metropolitan Police’s Anti-Terrorist Branch.

A 13th man, also detained yesterday in Willesden, north London, has since been de-arrested and released with no further action.

Scotland Yard, which led yesterday’s operation, has refused to discuss whether the raids were linked to the seizure of computer files from al Qaida suspects captured in Pakistan.

Officers tonight were continuing to search premises in London, Luton, Blackburn and Bushey.

Earlier today witnesses described the dramatic scenes as the raids took place.

In Blackburn, Tincie Hill, 27, told how she watched officers surround a gold Mercedes.

“The passenger was laid in the gutter with two policemen with guns trained on him,” she said.

“The driver was on his knees at the back of the car with guns pointing at him as well.”

In Luton, witnesses said an Asian man was pulled from his car by armed police officers.

Leigh Mayes, 70, said seven officers carrying semi-automatic machine-guns held the man against his maroon hatchback for nearly three hours while forensic teams carried out searches.

“They just stood there in the blazing sunshine and also throughout the heavy storm,” he said.

The arrests came as a group of parliamentarians warned that emergency counter-terrorism laws passed in the wake of 9/11 should be urgently replaced because they were discriminatory.

Just three months ago the Home Office said that fewer than one-in-five of those arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000 had been charged with offences under the legislation.

According to the Home Office today, by the end of June this year 609 people had been arrested under the Terrorism Act since September 11, 2001, but just 99 had been charged with offences and 15 convicted.

In April this year 10 people were arrested in a series of anti-terror raids in an operation led by Greater Manchester Police. They were all subsequently released without charge.

The Government also came under pressure today to spell out the level of the terrorism threat in Britain as a massive security operation continued in US cities.

America is on heightened alert following the discovery of documents in Pakistan which apparently mention potential targets for attack both in the US and Britain.


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Britain’s Islamic leaders tonight warned that the Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted

I am deeply saddened by this.

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1 posted on 08/04/2004 4:05:26 PM PDT by NCjim
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To: NCjim
Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted following the arrest of 12 men in another round of anti-terror raids.

Good.

2 posted on 08/04/2004 4:07:24 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (If only hamsters could vote.......)
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To: NCjim

Awwwwww....cry me a river.

Tell C.A.I.R. They give a _____.


3 posted on 08/04/2004 4:07:56 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: NCjim

You forgot.

It's George W. Bush's fault.

</sarcasm & aimbot off>


4 posted on 08/04/2004 4:09:56 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (They are RATS, not RATICS)
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To: NCjim

"Leigh Mayes, 70, said seven officers carrying semi-automatic machine-guns held the man against his maroon hatchback for nearly three hours while forensic teams carried out searches."

Help me out, guys....what is the mandatory retirement age for terrorists?


5 posted on 08/04/2004 4:10:00 PM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: NCjim

How in the world can you pick on the poor Islamic community when you are searching for terrorists? Just because these 12 may have links does not mean they should be questioned. The police should have picked up 12 Irishman and questioned them concerning this problem. Not 12 Muslims who may have been singled out by the pukes in Pakistan.


6 posted on 08/04/2004 4:10:28 PM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry mentioned the terrorists attack on TWA flight 800, what does he know?)
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----Massoud Shadjareh, chair of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: "The problem is that these raids are continually creating an image which equates Islam with terrorism and acts of violence.

"The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia."----


Read those two statements together. Then read them again. Then try to stop laughing.
7 posted on 08/04/2004 4:11:06 PM PDT by Flux Capacitor (FLUSH THE JOHNS IN '04.)
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“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia.”

Sounds like a threat from these primatives!! The Froggies are too chickensht to make raids like this. They would be courting a riot in the Muslim neighborhoods.

8 posted on 08/04/2004 4:11:10 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: NCjim

Cry me a river !
The Religion of Peace....


9 posted on 08/04/2004 4:11:12 PM PDT by traumer
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To: NCjim

De-arrested???


10 posted on 08/04/2004 4:14:07 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia.”

Or what?

These muslims better get used to the idea that there is a limit to how much WE will be the target of Islam!


11 posted on 08/04/2004 4:18:15 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NCjim
And I am brimming with sympathy for the innocent Muslims who are being persecuted in the West.

NOT!

These invaders come to our countries, and immediately begin preaching jihad and "death to the infidels", taking advantage of our traditions free speech and tolerance in order to stab us in the back and try to destroy us from within.

A pox on them! Pack them up and ship 'em back to the dirty catbox countries from which they came.

12 posted on 08/04/2004 4:19:33 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("Party Before Country" - The New Motto of the Democratic Party)
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To: NCjim

When one is a member of a psychotic cult, one must expect that not all will bow down to that psychotic cult. You don`t like it Mohammed? Good, then get the f***k out of the country. When other religions besides Islam can start dictating policy or beliefs in the middle east without getting blown up, then I`ll listen.


13 posted on 08/04/2004 4:20:17 PM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (Never forget: "We will take things away from you for the benefit of the common good"-Hitlery Rodham)
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To: NCjim
Britain’s Islamic leaders tonight warned that the Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted following the arrest of 12 men in another round of anti-terror raids.

GOOD !

14 posted on 08/04/2004 4:20:28 PM PDT by Wil H
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To: traumer
Cue Julie London


15 posted on 08/04/2004 4:24:33 PM PDT by xp38
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To: NCjim

Perspective: Islamofanatics are involved in how many of the approximately 119 world's major armed conflicts?

Answer Islamofanatics are involved in approximately 110 or more of them.

If it looks like an Isamofanatic, etc...

So far, there hasn't been a concerted, resounding denunciation of the Islamofanatic terrorism from the Muslim community. What does that tell us?


16 posted on 08/04/2004 4:24:55 PM PDT by TomGuy (After 20 years in the Senate, all Kerry has to run on is 4 months of service in Viet Nam.)
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To: NCjim

I'll be happy to punch the whiner's TS chits if need be, but they won't like the tool I use.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 4:26:32 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: NCjim
Massoud Shadjareh, said: “The problem is that these raids are continually creating an image which equates Islam with terrorism and acts of violence.

Well, Massoud, instead of bitching about it, why do you not condemn the real terrorists and help the police out by identifying them. If you do, then your "religion of peace" might actually gain some credibility.

18 posted on 08/04/2004 4:27:25 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (Paris Hilton - living proof that you do not need to be poor to be White Trash.)
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To: NCjim

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19 posted on 08/04/2004 4:28:54 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: NCjim
Britain’s Islamic leaders tonight warned that the Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted following the arrest of 12 men in another round of anti-terror raids.

How about doing something about it, then? Kick them out of your religion, turn them over to the police and let it be known that extremists aren't welcome to rear their ugly heads.

If the police arrested 12 rapists or drug pushers in my neighborhood, I wouldn't feel "persecuted". I would thank God they were gone and worry about how many more there might be left.

20 posted on 08/04/2004 4:28:56 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: TomGuy

“Muslims have been targeted and their lives have been tarnished,” he said.

How about I tarnish your ass with this .44 Special you anachronistic puke.


21 posted on 08/04/2004 4:30:26 PM PDT by fuzzycat
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To: NCjim
Muslims 'Tarnished' by Anti-Terror Raids

No, Muslims are 'Tarnished' by the actions of the terrorists within their 'community'. Until their "spokesmen" and/or "leaders" understand this, they will continue to be so tarnised.

22 posted on 08/04/2004 4:31:38 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: baltodog

"...what is the mandatory retirement age for terrorists?"

It's whatever age at which you feel the calling to blow yourself up.


23 posted on 08/04/2004 4:33:24 PM PDT by beelzepug
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To: NCjim

Reality check: muslims are being tarnished by their barbaric and murderous brethren who use kitchen knives to saw the heads off of innocent people for the crime of trying to help the Iraqi people rebuild their country and who incite children to blow themselves up in order to kill innocent people, including grandmothers and children on a bus or in a shopping mall or a restaurant.


24 posted on 08/04/2004 4:34:18 PM PDT by Ryan Tiger ("Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne)
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To: dennisw
I suppose after they reach that unspecified limit, they will become moderately law abiding.

This stuff is too funny.

25 posted on 08/04/2004 4:34:22 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: FierceDraka
"And I am brimming with sympathy for the innocent Muslims who are being persecuted in the West."

"NOT!"

I'm with you. Had these people policed their own for undesirables, or had they even condemned Muslim attacks on the west, I would maybe have some sympathy. But they didn't then, and they don't now.

Islam is a cancer on humanity, and we all know what cancer is treated with.

26 posted on 08/04/2004 4:37:49 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: yooper
“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia."

Translation: If you don't stop accusing us of being violent, we'll be forced to attack you.

27 posted on 08/04/2004 4:42:23 PM PDT by johnfrink
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To: NCjim

Muslims in Europe don't rat out their Jihadists and 5th columnists, they don't police their ranks, so the rest of have to.


28 posted on 08/04/2004 4:42:31 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: NCjim
Massoud Shadjareh, chair of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, said: “The problem is that these raids are continually creating an image which equates Islam with terrorism and acts of violence.

Islamic Human Rights? What a sick joke.

29 posted on 08/04/2004 4:42:54 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: baltodog
Help me out, guys....what is the mandatory retirement age for terrorists?

What I recall from reading the Terrorist Handbook, they are required to retire at the stroke of - KA-BOOM!!!!

Or death, whichever comes first.
30 posted on 08/04/2004 4:43:25 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding. There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia."

This of course is threat that they will riot and rampage to prevent an arrest in their "community". This already happens in France, Belgium, Holland. There are no-go Muslim neighborhoods the police will not go into.

31 posted on 08/04/2004 4:46:38 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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“I think the police have a lot more to do in terms of working with the Muslim community and gaining their trust.”

I think the Muslim community has a lot more to do in terms of working with the police and gaining their trust.

32 posted on 08/04/2004 4:46:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: savedbygrace

It's the usual Islama-rama-drama from these bad actors.


33 posted on 08/04/2004 4:48:37 PM PDT by dennisw (Once is Happenstance. Twice is Coincidence. The third time is Enemy action. - Ian Fleming)
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge
How about this for another sick joke in this story:

“I think the police have a lot more to do in terms of working with the Muslim community and gaining their trust.”

So now it's the police that have to gain the "trust" of the Muslim community? These folks have a perverse way of standing every single moral issue on its head. I'm laughing my *ss off and crying at the same time.

I'm afraid that there is no hope for Muslims until they develop a moral compass that extends beyond the capacity for self-pity and murder of anyone they don't particulalry care for.

34 posted on 08/04/2004 4:50:41 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia...

What will they do about it. Turn to even more terrorism?

35 posted on 08/04/2004 4:51:26 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

GMTA !!!


36 posted on 08/04/2004 4:52:10 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: El Gato
Muslims 'Tarnished' by Anti-Terror Raids

They just don't get it. Or do they, and are just pretending not to get it? Perhaps they find it easier (and safer) to speak out against those confronting terrorism than the islamic terrorists themselves.

37 posted on 08/04/2004 4:56:06 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: NCjim

Go back and live in the desert you frigging primitives.


38 posted on 08/04/2004 5:07:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: NCjim
Would they feel better if they rounded up a dozen or so 80 year old, half-blind grannies in other raids? If so, find some 80 year old, half-blind grannies, give them a nice sum of money, pretend to raid and arrest them (all the while knowing they will be quickly and quietly released and paid well), and then keep on going after the terrorists.

Maybe some in the Muslim community would rather step up and name names, and then there wouldn't have to be raids.

39 posted on 08/04/2004 5:08:06 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: John Valentine
They have short memories.

Group celebrates 'Magnificent 19' hijackers
British Islamists bent on global conquest plan 9-11 conference
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34223


40 posted on 08/04/2004 5:11:25 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: yooper

"Islam is a cancer on humanity, and we all know what cancer is treated with."

Ummm...radiation? Sounds like a workable plan to me.


41 posted on 08/04/2004 5:12:08 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

I have never seen that before. I can't begin to express how it makes me feel.


42 posted on 08/04/2004 5:15:40 PM PDT by Key West Girl
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To: dennisw

I'll be quite frank. If islamist nutballs come into my neighborhood and start preaching their "death to infidels!" crap I can promise that the battle will be joined then and there. That one-eyed POS with the hook in England? If he showed up near me and was spreading his vile sh!t, he'd be toast. I have had it with these pukes.


43 posted on 08/04/2004 5:22:07 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: NCjim

One in five! Goods odds for raiding the Islamic Communities. They need to step forward and clean up their own.


44 posted on 08/04/2004 5:22:15 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: NCjim
When Christian or secular countries start treating Muslims the way that Muslim countries treat Christians and Jews, then maybe they'll have something to complain about.

Until then, my heart bleeds....NOT!

45 posted on 08/04/2004 5:25:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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Britain’s Islamic leaders tonight warned that the Muslim community felt increasingly persecuted following the arrest of 12 men in another round of anti-terror raids.

Awwwwwww. Really? Are they under the impression that terrorism is some kind of right? Maybe someone's done a bad job of explaining the reality to them. I'm sure we can clear all this up with a short, direct conversation.

But tonight the Islamic community sounded a warning about the impact such anti-terror raids were having on British Muslims.

Why anyone would care is beyond me.

“There is now a growing bitterness in the Muslim community.

You ought to talk to a few folks in the AMERICAN community!

“I think the police have a lot more to do in terms of working with the Muslim community and gaining their trust.”

I think the Muslim community has a lot more to do in terms of being considered human. Let's not even talk about trust.

“The problem is that these raids are continually creating an image which equates Islam with terrorism and acts of violence.

That is because its followers have equated Islam with terrorism and acts of violence. Don't blame others for simply observing the obvious.

“The Muslim community is extremely law abiding.

Uh huh. And John Dillinger was a choir boy.

There is a limit to how much they will be the target of Islamophobia.”

What are you going to do, fly jetliners into our buildings??? You're in no position to threaten anyone. And you're in even less of a position to claim our sympathies. To hell with you.

46 posted on 08/04/2004 5:30:42 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: NCjim

It should read: Muslims tarnished by terrorism and non-denunciation of terrorism. I have no sympathy.


47 posted on 08/04/2004 5:41:05 PM PDT by Wolfhound777 (It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
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To: Key West Girl

It's been said before but Islam is a cult and the penalty for leaving is death.


48 posted on 08/04/2004 5:41:28 PM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: NCjim
Calling all Muslim leaders. Quit blaming the innocents who have not tasted your brethrens lust for blood, and help the law abiding people find those evil bastards that live among you. THEN we will leave you alone!
49 posted on 08/04/2004 6:10:25 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: Flashman_at_the_charge

If only it had come from someplace OTHER than that Y2K rag known as "WorldNetDaily" (i.e. Bigfoot/UFO chasers).


50 posted on 08/04/2004 8:01:46 PM PDT by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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