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Officials: Drones producing results
Sierra Vista Herald, Sierra Vista Arizona (AP Story) ^ | 08/04/04 | AMANDA LEE MYERS

Posted on 08/04/2004 5:31:00 PM PDT by SandRat

PHOENIX - A pilot program that uses unmanned aerial drones to monitor illegal activity along the Arizona-Mexico border is gaining momentum, border officials say.

Two Hermes 450 drones, which were launched over Arizona on June 25, use thermal and night-vision equipment to spot illegal immigrants trying to cross the desert into the United States. They can detect movement from 15 miles up, read a license plate, view a vehicle's occupants and even detect weapons. ......

(Excerpt) Read more at svherald.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; domesticdrones; drones; dronesbp; dronesus; immigrantlist
Even though this is in the local paper since it is an AP story I had to excerpt it.

Be sure to read the "Bleeding Hearts" comment at the end.

1 posted on 08/04/2004 5:31:01 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; idratherbepainting; JackelopeBreeder; AZHSer; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; ...

Border Ping!


2 posted on 08/04/2004 5:31:19 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

From the headline, I thought this story was about MoveOn.org's emails to its thrall-members.


3 posted on 08/04/2004 5:38:50 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: SandRat

Thanks for posting this.


4 posted on 08/04/2004 5:42:08 PM PDT by syriacus (Daschle on National Missile Defense debate -- "THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE." June 8, 2001)
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To: SandRat

5 posted on 08/04/2004 5:44:07 PM PDT by csvset
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More Excerpt: (we're allowed 4 paragraphs, I believe)

Elizabeth Ohmann, secretary and founder of Humane Borders, which has placed more than 50 water stations in the desert to aid illegal immigrants, said the group does not support using the aircraft to monitor the desert.

"It's another step toward militarization of the border," she said. "There are other ways that it could be handled."

Elizabeth, you're an idiot. Putting more eyes on the border will save more lives than your bloody water points. As for militarizing the border, what do you call all the gunfights the Border Patrol have found themselves in? Are we not allowed to protect ourselves as we're protecting our border?

Sheesh. She's either dumber than a rock, or she thinks we are.

6 posted on 08/04/2004 5:47:08 PM PDT by HiJinx (Piper is ok.)
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To: SandRat

Wow and stunning. I've had a lot of experiences with this illegal invasion epidemic and really wonder why people are so incredibly naive and nonchalant about how our nation is being cooked like a frog from forces inside and out.

"The Tucson Sector has apprehended a total of about 10,000 illegal immigrants since June 25."

Which means HOW MANY GOT THROUGH - they're on the streets of border towns whooping it up right now. And Lord forbid you say the wrong thing to a mojado...one firearm for personal protection ain't enough in border towns.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 5:48:05 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: SandRat

yeah. that last sentence was precious. we should make it more humane by paving trials here made of gold with fountains of tequila all along the way.

if we really wanted to "militarize" the border, these drones
would be Predators capable of dropping some cluster bombs or other ordinance.


8 posted on 08/04/2004 5:49:05 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece-"It takes a school to bankrupt a village.")
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To: SandRat
My congratulations to Glenn Spencer, et al. for having embarrassed the grubbamint into finally taking action.
9 posted on 08/04/2004 5:49:43 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Three choices: War on Terror, submit to Islam, or die.)
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To: SandRat

Elizabeth Ohmann, secretary and founder of Humane Borders, which has placed more than 50 water stations in the desert to aid illegal immigrants, said the group does not support using the aircraft to monitor the desert.
"It's another step toward militarization of the border," she said. "There are other ways that it could be handled."

By definition an international border should be considered militarized in the face of an invasion. I think that ten thousand illegals apprehended in the Tucson sector since June twenty fifth constitutes an invasion.


10 posted on 08/04/2004 6:00:07 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: SandRat
Are they using the ones that fire Hellfire missiles?
11 posted on 08/04/2004 6:00:14 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: ApesForEvolution
You said:

"I really wonder why people are so incredibly naive and nonchalant about how our nation is being cooked like a frog from forces inside and out."

you got that right! i do think it's about time the powers-that-be decided to use Glenn Spencer's idea. too bad it's in reality nothing but a show to pacify the people who only know the bare minimum about this issue. 'rah rah rah! the border isnt porous after all. it's all made up!' ;-D our goose is already cooked.

12 posted on 08/04/2004 6:04:14 PM PDT by MindFire
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To: mac_truck

unfortunately no. just video down links.


13 posted on 08/04/2004 6:06:12 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
On July 22, an immigrant smuggler threw five softball-size rocks at an agency helicopter 30 feet in the air before he was arrested. If one of the rocks had hit a main rotor, Adame said the helicopter could have crashed.

That lizard should have had five "softball-size" holes in his carcass before the helo departed hover...

14 posted on 08/04/2004 6:49:24 PM PDT by TXnMA (Texas "wetback kit": Rifle, ammo, shovel.)
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To: em2vn

"more than 50 water stations in the desert to aid illegal immigrants"

Looks like the makings of a fine orienteering course for those who want to test their compass reading and sharpshooting skills.


15 posted on 08/04/2004 6:58:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: HiJinx
"Sheesh. She's either dumber than a rock, or she thinks we are."

She's dumb and just think - she's armed with a VOTE!! For such people as these, 3/5ths of a vote would be far too gracious.

16 posted on 08/04/2004 7:18:43 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: SandRat

I'd be in favor of putting water stations in the border zone.

In fact, we could install water fountains on the south side of a cement wall stretching all across the us-mexico border.

Amazing how the federal government wants to do the things it wasn't granted the power to do, and wants to avoid doing the thing it's supposed to be doing.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 9:13:10 PM PDT by flashbunny
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Did you ever wonder about government efficiency and why they appear to have no conception what the word "efficiency" is?

>>It takes 12 to 18 people to operate the drones and monitor images sent back.

The (Hermes 450 drones) waist-high gray drones bearing the Homeland Security Department's seal weigh almost 1,000 pounds, have a 35-foot wingspan and can fly faster than 100 mph. They patrol at 12,000 to 15,000 feet and can stay aloft for 20 hours at a time.<<

I think these drones cost $2 million each. I have no idea what Glenn Spencers drones cost but the cost is nowhere near this and they can be operated by one man.

The Hermes 450 drones efficiency is "In 39 days of surveillance of the border, the drones have led to the apprehension of 248 illegal immigrants, he said."

This is a fantastic 6.3 illegal aliens per day. Cost per hour is ...I have no idea but I know Jackelope Breeder has a better succes rate than this working by himself without a drone!

He listens for them and then calls the Border Patrol and lets the agents do all the capturing, detaining, etc.

I wonder what the "12 to 18 people" could do using JB's tactics. I am positive it would be better than 6.3 per day.

Thanks JB


18 posted on 08/04/2004 9:57:35 PM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: SandRat

I think the feds are being forced to tighten the border. Even here in south Texas the BP has captured this week some illegals that swam the Rio Grande. The river is not that wide here but of course, some always drown and that is usually what we hear about. Not capture.

The woman caught in McAllen came from Pakistan, not South Africa.


19 posted on 08/04/2004 10:40:01 PM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: SandRat

Some people kept telling me that guarding our border simply can't be done. I refused to believe it. This is America, people! Other nations have guarded vast borders with sharp, pointy sticks. If they can do it and we can't, we should be ashamed of ourselves. FReegards....


20 posted on 08/05/2004 1:31:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Why watch sitcoms? Just listen to Rush talk about left wing wackos and surf the FR.)
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To: B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; ...
"This is a fantastic 6.3 illegal aliens per day. Cost per hour is ...I have no idea but I know Jackelope Breeder has a better succes rate than this working by himself without a drone!"

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And I'm just willing to bet that Jackelope Breeder is not getting paid anywhere near the $2 million cost of just one of these Hermes drones.

At least the people making (and milking) this Hermes drone program are making some money off watching a few migrants slide through. Well, that progress, gubmint style for ya.

:~)

21 posted on 08/05/2004 3:20:58 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (JOHN KERRY is as much like the WORKING MAN as WHOOPIE GOLDBERG is to GEORGE W. BUSH! - Vote BUSH!)
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To: HiJinx
I wonder how much Ohmann gets paid by drug dealers, terrorists, and other criminals.

What if we set up snack stations close to prison to aid escaped convicts? Would that be labeled humanitarian?

22 posted on 08/05/2004 3:43:30 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: ApesForEvolution

Worse -- last month's figures for the Tucson sector were 38,898 apprehended, with 19,433 from Cochise County alone. They only catch one in five.


23 posted on 08/05/2004 6:55:47 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: B4Ranch

You're welcome, but it's not just me. There are dozens and dozens doing the same thing.


24 posted on 08/05/2004 7:01:27 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: Happy2BMe
And I'm just willing to bet that Jackelope Breeder is not getting paid anywhere near the $2 million cost of just one of these Hermes drones.

(Sigh). The government just never gets it concerning UAV's. For the four million dollars they spent on just two huge UAV's that may as well be be manned Cessna's, I could hire ten RC clubs to build hundreds of sensor-equipped kit planes that could patrol the entire border.

This is all high-profile hype anyway. The government has no intention to slow the flow.

25 posted on 08/05/2004 7:06:01 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (Hate is a DNC Family Value)
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To: SandRat

This is fantastic news. Many Freepers will probably fall out of their chairs when they actually read my post containing an actual COMPLIMENT to the powers that be, regarding our porous borders...but yes, it's true. TAXED2DEATH is happy about this.


26 posted on 08/05/2004 7:28:10 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: HiJinx
"It's another step toward militarization of the border," she said. "There are other ways that it could be handled."

Nah, thats not "militarizing" the border...

THIS is militarizing the border.

27 posted on 08/05/2004 7:36:20 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I know that but you are the only one with whom I've had personal conversations..

I hate to think what the mess would be if you guys weren't volunteering your time and equipment to assist the BP in snaring these varmits.


28 posted on 08/05/2004 7:59:39 AM PDT by B4Ranch (----http://www.firearmsid.com/----"Wise men learn more from fools than fools learn from the wise.")
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Oh-my-Lord...


29 posted on 08/05/2004 10:11:32 AM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Happy2BMe

I really think we made a quiet deal with Mexico that we'd go easy on illegals if they'd cooperate with terrorist interdiction on their side of the border. They seem to have no trouble shooting people trying to cross their southern border! This whole thing stinks, frankly. We're being invaded, with long lasting consequences they haven't even begun to think of.


30 posted on 08/05/2004 4:24:44 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Happy2BMe
And I'm just willing to bet that Jackelope Breeder is not getting paid anywhere near the $2 million cost of just one of these Hermes drones.

You win that bet. It's all volunteers down here.

31 posted on 08/05/2004 5:47:58 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Keep up the good work. The border is (still) a little too far driving distance for me.


32 posted on 08/05/2004 6:36:02 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (JOHN KERRY is as much like the WORKING MAN as WHOOPIE GOLDBERG is to GEORGE W. BUSH! - Vote BUSH!)
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To: hershey
Secret deals have always had a way of coming to the light of day, one way or another.

Thanks for the ping.

33 posted on 08/05/2004 7:11:37 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (JOHN KERRY is as much like the WORKING MAN as WHOOPIE GOLDBERG is to GEORGE W. BUSH! - Vote BUSH!)
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