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Kosovo all over again. Syria is actually a haven for Christians (as shocking as that may sound to many).

You can not have Democracy without the demos having the right to be armed. Athens would not have been the first democracy if it did not have its hoplite class.

That those in our State Dept seem not to know what a democracy means is not suprising seeing as the State Dept has favored Islam over Christians these last 60 years and compliant strong men over democratic regimes. There is no American in the State Dept who has a clue about how to create democratic institutions and hasn't been since the end of WW2.

Lastly, I mean what I wrote when I said the State Dept has favored Muslims 100% of the time in world conflicts where conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims happened since the end of WW2.

1 posted on 08/04/2004 8:09:21 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

It's mainly because Syria is a Secular dictatorship. Many don't realize that Iraq under Saddam was safer than any form of Islamic government even an Islamic Democracy. The only form of governments where Mid-East Christians are safe are pro-West governments like the Shah of Iran which emphasized the glory of the Persian Empire [pre-Islamic Iran] or Secular Democracy [of which we haven't seen form yet in the region].


2 posted on 08/04/2004 8:15:13 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Destro

NYT would be the source of this in order to show any spin of defeat. Bad they are fleeing but never loose sight of the NYT spin.


9 posted on 08/05/2004 12:54:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Destro

Correct me if I'm wrong,Is the US state dept so strong that it gets it way everywhere it wants?to hard to digest.Is it coz of the State dept that the US was(or is mostly) in bed with the Saudis,Egyptians & Pakis-find that real real hard to believe-it is afterall,one of the arms of a form of government with a very powerful president.

Or are people here picking on the state dept because it's a convinient scape goat??


10 posted on 08/05/2004 2:30:13 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Destro
Syria is actually a haven for Christians (as shocking as that may sound to many).

Syria is 10% Christian and they are treated pretty well over there. IMO we should NOT be persecuting BAshir Assad. We should pressure Irn (secretly support the students who are pro-American in any case) and destroy the heart of the terror hydra -- Saudi A and Pakistan
11 posted on 08/05/2004 2:33:14 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
Syria the Haven of Choice

Time to "liberate" Syria and chase Christians out.

20 posted on 08/06/2004 8:48:41 AM PDT by A. Pole (Gen Ripper:"I cannot allow communist infiltration, to sap and impurify, our precious bodily fluids.")
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To: Destro

This fellow is a Mandaean. Mandaeans are not Christians. They are throwbacks to the Gnostics and the Mystery Religions of Hellenistic times.

They believe that John the Baptist once led their group and that Jesus was a renegade member.

They call their priests "nasurai" ("keepers of the mysteries" in Aramaic) which may be the origin of the Greek word "nazoraios" (rendered in English as "Nazarene") in the New Testament.


23 posted on 08/06/2004 9:17:47 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Destro
Muslim Rioters Destroy 13 Churches

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European Jews fear 'new' anti-Semitism - ...European prejudices, militant Islam


Sudan enters a new era


Is Poso On The Verge Of Erupting? Please Pray


Poso on Code Red Alert

 

Christian Captured and Threatened with Death after Trying to Leave Country


KOSOVO: Renewed attacks on Serbian Orthodox


Bombs found in Christian Schools. Pupils Warned to become Muslims or Die.


11 Christians Killed over Two Days of Slaughter in Early October

Four Christians Killed as Muslims Protest Against Arrests

Al-Qa‘ida Targets Lebanese Christians

Police Arrest 22 Christians in New Crackdown

CONVERT ATTACKED FOR REFUSING TO RENOUNCE CHRISTIANITY

ATTACKERS CRITICALLY INJURE CHRISTIAN

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

DANIEL PIPES: What little Basmallah 'knows'-Jew-hatred are emblematic of Muslim thinking

Author of Saudi Curriculums Advocates Slavery (&quotSlavery is a part of Islam," prominent scholar says)

Worshippers slain by Islamic Terrorists during Church Service

HAS THE VATICAN CHANGED ITS MIND ABOUT ISLAM?

PAPUA: A CHRISTIAN PEOPLE SERIOUSLY AT RISK URGENT-- requesting prayer

Symposium: The Muslim Persecution of Christians [in the Middle East]. Should America be concerned?

Why Arabs come to America: Joseph Farah on data showing nearly 80 percent are not Muslim

Fallout from Iraq War - Christians Targeted in Bangladesh

Jihad Against Lebanese Christians

Schoolgirls face court over rabbi insult [France told him &quotdie, dirty Jew"]

Muslims Throwing Stones War to Mobilize Democracy

U.S. gives Saudis a pass on religious persecution

Victor Davis Hanson: A Real War, Fighting the worst fascists since Hitler.

U.S. RE-ISSUES TERRORIST STAMP!! ConservativeTruth.org

Onward Christian soldiers (Janissaries. Christian boys were forced to fight for Islam)

Jordanian Christian Killed in Lebanon Attack

Indonesia Sends in Troops After Christian Killings( ROP Srikes Again. )

Muslim jailed for &quothonour killing" his daughter (she was dating a Christian)

Muslim Rebels Kill Filipino Christians Ahead Of Peace Talks

The Hamas Incites to Kill Jews, solely for their being Jews

Filing details 'Portland 7' plot (They wanted to kill Jews)

Web Site Advocating the Killing of Jews Has 24 Hours to Clean Up its Act

First, the Saturday People (Kill the Jews First, Then the Christians)

Michelle Malkin: Lee Malvo, Muslim Hatemonger

Malvo Defense Enters Threatening Jailhouse Sketches (Bin Laden is labeled, &quotServant of Allah." )

A Short Biography of Muhammad

Muhammad ordered Muslims to kill Jews?

“Moderate” Islam – But not for Converts to the Christian Faith

Christians Tied Up And Killed In Karachi Office (Executed)

Seven Killed in Pakistan Shooting (religion of peace kills Christians)

14 Christians Killed in Indonesia Associated Press

Youth Shot At, 2 Wounded-150 Meters From Police Station

The paper on sale in London that wants all Jews killed

Christian Persecution On The Rise In Iraq

Moslems restricted Christian to pray twice a year at Jerusalem holy site

THE DHIMMI - JEWS AND CHRISTIANS UNDER ISLAM

Massacre & Destruction of Damour

Police Arrest Bomber Suspect (muslim persecution, Pakistan)(follow up to 1/15 story)

14 Year Old Girl Kidnapped-Feared Raped- “I will make you Muslim and you will bear a Muslim child”.

Formerly Kidnapped Christian Teenager Goes Into Hiding for Safety (Pakistan, muslims)

Jubilee Campaign Trip 2004, Part III (Pakistan, persecution, muslims)

Christmas in Bethlem

Muslims are now &quotencouraged to kill Christians" in Egypt (Feb. 2001)

Coptic Christians are deliberately and arbitrarily executed by al-Gama’a al Islamiya (Sep. 1998)

Egyptian Coptic Christians allege police torture (Sep. 1998)

Experts: Attacks on religious freedom intensifying worldwide

Russian Soldier Goes Through Chechen Captivity Hell

Over 40 Serb churches destroyed in Kosovo - bishop

6 Killed in Attack on Christian School in Pakistan (August, 2002)

Twelve Christians Killed in Pre-Dawn Brutal Attack in Ambon, Indonesia (April, 2002)

MORE CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED FOR THEIR FAITH IN THE 20th CENTURY THAN HAVE BEEN MARTYRED ...

FOUR CHRISTIANS KILLED IN INDONESIA IN MUSLIM PROTESTS

Shooting reported at Christian charity in Karachi, six killed

Six killed in massacre at Christian school in Pakistan

Christian Missionary Killed In Philippines

INDONESIA: Malukus Separatism &quotMoslems raided two Christian villages and killed 13 civilians

Christian driver killed for running over Koran

Christians Killed, Churches Burned

Philippine Muslim rebels release German woman, others killed 21 Christians

Christian Killed in Guerrilla Shooting in Lebanon


Christians Being Killed in Pakistan

FOUR CHRISTIAN WOMEN KILLED IN IRAQ, OTHERS INJURED (muslims)

Another Christian Arrested Under Blasphemy Laws (muslims, Pakistan)

Sharia Continues (Nigeria, muslims)

CHRISTIAN MAKES SLOW IMPROVEMENT FOLLOWING BRUTAL BEATING (Turkey, muslims)

CHURCHES DESTROYED, FAMILIES DISPLACED BY RELIGIOUS CONFLICT (muslims, Nigeria)

MUSLIM EXTREMISTS MOUNT ATTACKS IN NORTHERN NIGERIA

Pressure mounts on Sudan over (christian) girl's flogging (muslim shariah)

Pastor at Prayer Shot Dead (missionary activity among muslims)

Mainstream Political Leaders Denounce Attacks on Christian Minority (Iraq, muslims)

Attacked Evangelist Slowly Improving--(Turkey, semi-vegetative after attack by muslims)

DEATHS MARK RENEWED VIOLENCE IN POSO (muslims, persecution, Indonesia Dec. 15)

Indo Muslim Groups Using Laws to Close Churches (carried petrol, ready to burn down the church )

PAKISTAN : PROTESTANT PASTOR ASSASSINATED IN PAKISTAN

Bomb Hurts 15 at Christian Site in Karachi

Haganah.org.il

Christmas for Iraqi Christians: Three bombs and a Fatal Shooting (persecution)

Premeditated Islamic Attacks on Christians (Muslims burn down 10 churches,100+ church properties)

Bomb Kills Four (Indonesia)

TURKMENISTAN: Heavy fines on Balkanabad Baptists (75 US dollars each, more than one month's wages)

KOSOVO: No peace for Orthodox Christmas

KYRGYZSTAN: Religious freedom survey, January 2004

Follow Up On Murdered Pastor (from 1/05)(threats from Muslim extremist to close his Church)

Fugitives from Nigeria revolt in shootout 7 killed (failed rebellion)

Eritrea steps up its persecution of Christians

Arab-Jewish Refugees. Source: &quotFrom Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters

Battles Rage in West Sudan (genocide)

Humanitarian Crisis in Sudan as Thousands Flee Attacks (villages burned and looted)

SUDAN: Feature - Death and destruction in Darfur (December 11) (Janjaweed)

Nigerian state bans Muslim group for extremism (disrupting the peace)

EGYPT: Christian Centre Attacked by Army This Morning (nun beaten by soldiers)

Nigeria - A Refugee's Story

Pakistan: Gunmen Open Fire At Church Service - None Injured

AT LEAST 12 KILLED IN BOM EXPLOSIONS IN IRAQ

Iraq (Christian) women gunned down

IRAQ: THE PERSECUTION OF MANDAEANS

IRAQ: ASSYRIANS (CHRISTIANS) AND A FEDERATION FOR IRAQ

ZION'S GLORY: A LETTER FROM ISRAEL

Muslim pleads guilty to killing Jewish man

On The Cutting Edge of Two Cultures

Enough, Already

Green Skies (December 2003)

Crescent Moons and Circling Sharks (December 2003)

IT’S ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN (November 2003)

BAHAWALPUR MASSACRE: DELIBERATE REVENGE ATTACK ON CHRISTIANS? (Pakistan, October 2001)

MMA and ML-Q led government's first gift to Christians. A bomb blasts Balouchistan Church (Pakistan, December 2002)

Seven Christians shot dead in Pakistan

Christian shot dead in Iraq. (February 2003)

No Fizzle: Sharia thrives (and preys) in Nigeria.

Govt. Routs Radical Islamic Group Seeking Sharia (taking up arms for the first time)

Bahgdad restaurant bombed, five killed (Of about 35 people in the restaurant, most were Christian)(December 31, 2003)

Nigeria: 800,000 Internally Displaced Across Country - Refugee Agency

The New Year, Iraqi Christians, Alcohol, and other things also answers religion of peace deal.

Assyrians in Turkey: Disappearance of a Culture? (1922-1999)

Bible Society Attacked, Multiple Injuries Sustained

Car bomb hits Christian Bible society in Pakistan

Indonesia Backgrounder: Jihad in Central Sulawesi - Executive Summary

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Believers batten down the hatches for anti-Christian violence in Pakistan.

Jewish Moroccan man shot dead in Casablanca

Sudan's ethnic cleansing

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Painful Memories

BLESSED ANTHONY NEYROT

Persecutions of Muslim converts to Christianity continue

Sentencing of Richard Reid (The Shoe Bomber) (USA January 2003)

When the Tigris Burned and the Euphrates Ran Red

Jews in Sweden are afraid to be known as Jews (Left joins with Moslems in hate campaign)

After Milosevic, Crime, terror flourish in 'liberated' Kosovo

The Bethlehem exodus

Christians second-class in Muslim lands - cardinal

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Indonesian Christians Flee Muslims

Christians terrorized in Muslim Indonesia: Islamic militants praising bin Laden

Terrorism Against Christians Intensifying in Indonesia

WHY IS THE CHRISTIAN WORLD SILENT?

People are discovering Islam the hard way

International Religious Freedom: Afghanistan - 2000 Annual Report

Indonesia group tied to al Qaeda kills Christians

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Christians terrorized by Laskar Jihad

Gunmen kill 9 Christians in Indonesia

Egyptians Destroy Church Hours After First Prayer Service

Anti-Semitism infuses scarf debate. French schools fight deeply rooted racism

Turkish Government Closing Churches (Prayer Needed)

Saudi Arabia releases Christian leaders

Muslim campaign in Nazareth part of overall strategy eliminate Christians

Blast kills reveler in Jakarta, churches bombed on Sulawesi island

Christians Remain In Saudi Prisons For Practicing Faith.

Chritmas Eve killing in Kosovo

A Body and Spirit Broken by the Taliban

Muslim Separatists Terrorize Filipinos With Kidnappings for Money and 'Marriages'

Christian missionary work among Muslims of the South

CHRISTIANS ATTACKED IN INDONESIA

Christians claim torture by Saudis: 'Each of us were flogged 80 times with a flexible metal cable'

Christian woman to be stoned to death

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For Outsiders, Worship Is Risk in Saudi Arabia

Coptic Church Attacked In Southern Egypt

Indonesian Christians Butchered In Islamic &quotCrusades"

Sudan Jihad forcing Islam On Christians, Using Rape and Killing

Arsonists torch Jewish school near Paris (on the same day as bombing in Turkey)

CNN Turk: Explosion rocks Neveh Shalom synagogue in Istanbul, Turkey 23 reported dead

Jubilee Campaign Trip 2004, Part II (Pakistan January 2004)

Filipinos and G.I.'s Falter in Effort to Free Hostages

Administration's Efforts Encouraging - Burnham update

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Sudan jihad forces Islam on Christians

&quotThe CPMT Report on the Liang Area Atrocities: A Disgraceful Failure" (Sudan muslims June 2003)

The Moslem Conquest (of India)

American dream for Afghan family

Faith Under Fire: Christian in Mecca Feared Dead

Israel's Untold Story

AMERICAN PASTOR DIES IN IRAQI AMBUSH (muslim neighborhood)

Muslims Kill 48 in Nigeria's Latest Incidence of Religious Violence

Reports: Bomb blast in Turkey kills 2

Endless Jihad - The Truth about Islam and Violence

Texas missionary killed in Iraq

17 Kosovo churches, monasteries and convents looted or set ablaze

Christian Pastor Martyred After Watching &quotJesus" Film

Church Attacked on Easter Sunday Wounding Seven Police Reinforcements Arrive on Scene (4/12/2004)

Letter: Congressman Wolf Introduces Bill Condemning Sudan

Church Grounds Desecrated Turned into Public Toilet

Christians Fear Muslim Backlash (April 10, 2004)

Christians Threatened With Being Shot if they do not Convert to Islam

Islamic Extremist Group Vows to Kill All Somalian Christians (Mogadishu's Kulanka Culimada)

Pakistani Christian Murdered in His Home

12 Muslim Extremists Could Face Death Penalty for Torching Christian Village

Peace Talks Fall Apart as Violence Continues (Islamic militants burnt down nine churches)

Four Christians Released from Prison All Charges Dropped (jail for possession of bibles)

Report: Muslim violence against Jews on rise in Germany

Break-in: Church Looted and Icons Stolen (Kosovo)

Indonesia: Christians in Ambon Under Attack - Death Toll Exceeds 20 and Continues to Climb

Ambon Christians Under Attack: 120 Wounded, 14 Dead (4/25/2004)

Turkey Again Accuses Pastor of &quotOpening An Illegal Church

Muhammad-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

Cyprus takes legal action to recover stolen church treasures [looted by Turks-sold to Germans]

Michigan Armenians mark genocide by Turks

Kosovo Albanians rampaged through Prizren destroying all Christian monuments (3/24/2004)

Destruction of Devic Monastery 17-18 March 2004 (Kosovo)

Destruction of Serb churches and homes in Prizren Part 1, March 17-18, 2004 (Kosovo)

Albanian throng in Djakovica attacks German KFOR vehicles with Serbian Orthodox monks

Ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Pristina, March 17-18, 2004 (Kosovo)

Destruction of Serbian Orthodox church in Podujevo (17-19 March 2004)

Muslim mobs burn Christian homes: Attack began at 3 a.m., continued until all were destroyed

Burning of St. Sava's church, March 17 2004 (Kosovo)

Bishop Artemije visiting ruins of Prizren, March 25 2004 (Kosovo picture story)

Burning of St. Sava church in south Mitrovica (Kosovo 17 March 2004 )(picture story)

Destruction of Serbian Orthodox church in Podujevo (Kosovo 17-19 March 2004) Gallery 2

Destruction of the Serb Orthodox church of St. Eliah in Vucitrn,desecration of cemetery - Kosovo

Return of monks to Holy Archangels (kosovo)

Photo Story: Devastated Christian Orthodox Sites in Prizren (Kosovo March 2004)

Destruction of Serbian Orthodox churches in Djakovica during the March pogrom (17-19 March 2004)

56 boy slaves freed in Sudan: Victims claim abuse, rape, death treats, forcible conversion

No One Charged For Destruction of Churches and Monasteries - Kosovo

Christian Persecution and Humanitarian Crisis Escalates in Sudan

Indonesia: Violence in Ambon Continues

Pregnant mother, four daughters laid to rest

Muslims Torching Prizren (Kosovo March 17, 2004 - pictures)

(Muslims) Burning of the Serbian village Svinjare, Kosovo March 17, 2004 - pictures

CHOPPING HEADS

Convert or Else (Iraq Assyrian Christians)

The Sword Sermon - A Jew is hiding behind me, come and cut off his head (video)

Pakistani Christian Dies From Police Attack

Young Father Gunned Down By Terrorists (May 6, 2003)

Christian beaten to death in hospital by Muslim cop (Religion of Peace)

Videotaped execution of U.S. Jew may not shake commitment in Iraq (Yes, he was Jewish)

Cool gunmen hunted down Christians

BIN LADEN CUT-THROATS

Pure evil in Sudan: Joseph Farah says Islamist terrorism, genocide illustrates what's at stake

Saudi Police Torture Indian Catholic for His Faith

Iranian Police Arrest Christian Pastor

Jewish teenager stabbed in Paris suburb (Man crying &quotGod is great" plunges knife into Jewish teen)

A Serb teenager murdered by Albanian extremists in Kosovo

The Albanian terrorists, some 500 of them, threw bombs and bottles of benzene at KFOR tanks from Bondsteel in Urosevac on March 17. The attack continued even after the Greek commander, with the intent of dispersing the terrorists, ordered his soldiers to fire warning shots in the air.

Egyptian Police Protect Coptic Girl's Muslim Kidnappers, Christian Father Denied Access to Teenage Daughter

Chechen Separatist Leader Threatens Russia with New Terrorist Attacks

Egyptian Police Protect Coptic Girl's Kidnappers

No security or safety for young Christian girls in Egypt!

The Egyptian army attacks St. Patmos convent again..

60 injured in explosions targeting Iraqi churches

Sudan: Global Mission Center Leveled in Janjweed Militias Attack

Jailed Christian in Saudi to be Free soon?

Christians in Kaduna forced to renounce their faith or die

Will Of Faith - Christian Academy Fights Back Against Muslim Extremism

Protection for Iraqi Christians demanded

Darfur - exposing Arab goals for what they are: Genocide, racism and Arab political hegemony


Al-Qaida-related group attacks pastor

Secret Documents Reveal Ethnic Cleansing of Christians

Woman Minister Killed in Indonesia Church Attack (Presbyterian minister martyred)

Thai Buddhist shrine ransacked(Muslim rampage, beheading)

Radical Muslim group behind arson of Jewish community center: NO WAY!

[Sudan]Police seize Church offices in Sudan

“Stay Quiet and You’ll Be OK”

20 killed in Nigeria Muslim-Christian clash

Ambon violence sends Christians fleeing for lives

Anti-Christian Jihad Continues

Iraq's Christians Fleeing as Attacks Against Them Increase

&quotEminent U.S. religious leaders astounded by violence against Christian heritage in Kosovo and Metohija

A new era of Christian persecution: Pat Buchanan exposes why Islam is not a religion of peace

16 Murdered in Double Terror Attack in Be&acuteer Sheva

Bomb Damages Church in Northern Cyprus

U.S. Hostage Beheaded, Terror Group Says

MUSLIMS KILL CHRISTIANS AT PRAYER: INDONESIA

Saudi Arabian Killed Jew in Houston

Report: Muslims slaughter 600 Christians

Qadhafi: Jews must be compensated for loss of property

GOTTA SEE THIS - Terrorists attack Russian School - Warning: Graphic images

Catholic Aid Worker Shut in Darfur - Sudan

It Was Christians Targeted In Beslan Russia

Hundreds of Christians Slaughtered in Akobo - Sudan (7/24/2004)

Iraq's disappearing Christians-Middle East is undergoing ethnic cleansing. Does anybody care?

Amid Escalating Fear of Massacres, Assyrian Christians Commemorate Martyr's Day 8-7-2004

Many Christians Flee Iraq, With Syrian the Haven of Choice

44 posted on 09/06/2004 10:35:39 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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