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1963 Planned Parenthood brochure: abortion kills life of baby after it has begun Someone tell Kerry!
CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE ^

Posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org

A 1963 Planned Parenthood brochure actually states: "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun."

Can anybody get this to Lurch?!! Read on....

From: A NEW LANGUAGE FOR THE CULTURE OF LIFE Re-Humanizing the VERY YOUNG CITIZEN

"Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!"

Back in the 1960's before Planned Parenthood realized that using scientific truths in its literature would lessen its revenue, it was halfway honest.

A 1963 Planned Parenthood brochure actually says "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun." That's something we pro-lifers didn't start saying en mass until years latter!

A book from 1969 reviewed below states: '... at least one [sperm] will reach the egg, fertilize it, and conception will take place. A new life will begin.'

Eventually Planned Barrenhood saw that for their industry of death to maximize profits, truth would not be their "best policy".

"Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me!"

While the words won't, the deceitful manipulation and misapplication of words in law has been the greatest cause of death in history.

Pro-Choice Advocates Agree that Abortion Kills Humans.

Many abortion advocates have agreed that abortion kills human life: A 1963 Planned Parenthood brochure says that life begins at conception: "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun."{01} Former Planned Parenthood President Faye Wattleton admits that the preborn are alive in her 1986 book: "There are many sperm cells in the [seminal] fluid. If one of them meets an egg cell inside the mother, new life can begin to grow... If one of your friends is pregnant, ask her to let your child 'feel the baby move.' ... A baby grows in a special place inside the mother, called the uterus -- not in her stomach. In nine months it is born."{02}


Similarly, Dr. Mary Calderone, former director of Planned Parenthood has stated that "[a]bortion is the taking of a human life"{03} and Dr. Alan Guttmacher,{04} former president of Planned Parenthood and founder of the Guttmacher Institute, the research affiliate of Planned Parenthood, has stated "[f]ertilization has then taken place; a baby has been conceived."{05} {06} While many abortion defenders readily concede that abortion kills human life, it is necessary to expound on this point because examining the nature of the unborn human being at the point of conception shows the inherent dignity that we all share from our biologic beginnings that are hidden from eyes of the world.

Not only have representatives from the nations largest abortion provider agreed that life begins at conception, but others who support abortion have agreed that abortion is murder. Dr. Magda Denes who performed two years of research in an abortion facility and compiled her results{07} told a Chicago newspaper "There wasn't an (abortion) doctor who at one time or another in the questioning did not say `this is murder.'"{08} Even Kate Michelman, President of N.AR.A.L. seems to be moving in the direction of agreeing that abortion is murder by her statement that "[a]bortion is a bad thing."{09} Others who have at one time been heavily involved with abortion have later agreed, such as "Jane Roe" Norma McCorvey, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, and Carol Everett.

In addition, everyone who uses the term "fetus" unwittingly acknowledges that the unborn human is an unborn child because fetus is Latin for "unborn child." Unfortunately for the unborn child, the term fetus has fallen into use as a way of dehumanizing the unborn child, as shown by the primary use of this term by people when they are arguing for abortion rights, in comparison to when they are discussing a baby that is wanted by the mother.

Planned Parenthood admits: Life begins at conception

IN THE 1960'S, the terminology of medical texts had not yet been changed to dehumanize life in the womb. (The pregnant woman was "the mother" and the fetus was "the child" or "baby.") The legal and political system had not yet corrupted the scientific realities of life before birth.

In 1969 McGraw-Hill Inc. was publishing a book on Conception, Birth and Contraception and needed some input from an authority on the subject. It turned to Planned Parenthood and the Sex Information & Education Council of the United States (SIECUS).

"This book provides a solid base for understanding the anatomy of reproduction," wrote Mary S. Calderone, MD, Executive Director of SIECUS, in her Introduction to the 129-page book. "Access to such fine books as this one will assure our young people that ... finally adults are becoming willing to 'tell it like it is.'"

Similarly, "Dr. George Langmyhr of Planned Parenthood Federation of America ... reviewed the material on contraception," state authors Robert J. Demarest and John J. Sciarra, MD, PhD, in their Foreword.

Within the pages of Conception, Birth and Contraception, however, the pro-life position is presented with pictorial and verbal accuracy. The book clearly pushes contraceptives, with some faulty information on the safety of the IUD, etc., but the personhood of the unborn is fully supported throughout the text.

In fact, the book's own glossary definition of the term "fetus" begins with: "An unborn child." Pregnancy, likewise, is defined as: "The condition of being with child."

In the aftermath of Roe v. Wade, of course, today's Planned Parenthood -- largest abortion provider in the world -- would never admit that life begins at conception, or depict the infant in utero, in full-page illustrations, as a person. To do so, would suggest not only a violation of rights, but even murder, in the diabolical Roe v. Wade decision.

No doubt today's SIECUS, as well, would attempt to discredit the pro-life (factual) content of this "fine book" which it's leader in 1969 described so positively.

Some excerpts

Following are some excerpts from the book, approved by Planned Parenthood and SIECUS four years before the legalization of abortion:

"... at least one [sperm] will reach the egg, fertilize it, and conception will take place. A new life will begin." (page 15)

"... the egg which, if fertilized, gives rise to a new life." (page 3)

"From fertilization to delivery, mother and child are as one for approximately 266 days. At the end of the period the mother delivers the infant into the world ..." (page 3)

"It is the female who carries the baby during the nine months of its prenatal life." (page 17)

"However small it may be, the egg is about two thousand times as large as the sperm that must fertilize it. ...it carries the food the growing embryo will use during the first few days of its life." (page 26)

"... to grow within the mother." (page 32)

"The inherited characteristics of the baby to be born ... are determined by material within the egg and sperm ... each mature egg contains genetic material carrying the inheritable characteristics of the mother ... the child receives inherited characteristics from both parents." (page 50)

"The placenta ... transfers nourishment from the mother ...." (page 53)

"... ectopic pregnanc[ies] ... are dangerous to the mother and provide no possibility of a live child." (page 53)

"The growth of the baby within the uterus takes nine calendar months." (page 57)

"The sex ... could also be determined by examining under a microscope cells which are present in the amniotic fluid ... however, the doctor would have to puncture the amniotic cavity. This procedure is not undertaken except under very unusual circumstances having to do with the baby's health. So until the baby is delivered, no one knows whether it is a boy or a girl." (page 61)

"... the bloodstreams of mother and fetus ... never touch, and the blood in each remains separate. Oxygen and nutrients pass through the placenta, from the bloodstream of the mother to the fetus, and waste products from the fetus pass in the reverse direction into the bloodstream of the mother." (page 64) [i.e., the fetus is not part of the mother's body]

"... a doctor examining the mother can hear the fetal heartbeat ... The mother can feel the movement ... its arms and legs ..." (page 65)

"... the doctor may perform an operation called a cesarean section and remove the baby ..." (page 68)

".. its head is well down in the pelvic area of the mother -- the ideal position for it when the birth process begins." (page 68)

"The new life that has been growing within the mother for approximately nine months is now ready to enter the world. The passage of the baby through the birth canal is called delivery, and the process by which this is accomplished by the mother is called labor... Occasionally, a baby is born before thirty-eight weeks ... and the baby's chance of survival depends upon its weight and state of development at birth. When it is time for delivery, the mother begins to experience uterine contractions.... felt by the mother in her back ..." (page 72)

{01}Plan Your Children (Planned Parenthood, 1963). (The pamphlet also informs the reader that "[abortion] is dangerous to your life and health. it may make you sterile, so that when you want a child you cannot have it ... [in comparison] [b]irth control merely postpones the beginning of life.").

{02}Faye Wattleton, How to Talk with Your Child About Sexuality 95 (1986).

{03}Dr. Mary Calderone, Illegal Abortion as a Public Health Problem, 50 American Journal of Public Health 7, 951 (1960). ("..when a woman seeking abortion is given the chance of talking over her problem with a properly trained and oriented person, she will in the process very often resolve many of her qualms and will spontaneously decide to see her prenancy through... so I am not for abortion...")

{04}Katherine S. O'Keefe, Crypto-Eugenics: The Hidden Agenda of Planned Parenthood Appendix B (1991). Katharine S. O'Keefe, American Eugenics Society 1922-1994 (rev. Dec. 8, 1993, ver. 6.8). Director, American Eugenics Society, 1955; V.P. 1956-63; Director 1964-66 MD; d. Mar. 18, 1974; President, Planned Parenthood Federation of America 1962-1974; Mount Sinai New York 1952-66 (Director of Obstetrics 1952-62; Director Emeritus 1962-); Association for the Study of Abortion; C.m., Lanker Committee 1961; Founder, American Association of Planned Parenthood Physicians 1963; International Planned Parenthood Federation (Management and Planning Committee (196263, 1964); Medical Committee, (1961-62, C.m..., 1964-68); Regional representative, Western Hemisphere (1962-63, 1964); Council 196162; consultant, IPPF medical publications and IPPF newsletter when Dorothy Brush was editor 1952-56; Western Hemisphere Regional Council 1955); in 1968 IPPF was assigned to assist the government of Botswana in developing family planning following visits by A. Guttmacher according to ARTW, Dec. 1968.

{05}Birth Control and Love: The Complete Guide to Contraception and Fertility 12 (1961) quoted in Stephen M. Krason, Abortion: Politics, Morality, and the Constitution : A Critical Study of Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton and a Basis for Change 445 (1984).

{06}Planning Your Family 16 (1964).

{07}In Necessity and Sorrow: Life and Death in an Abortion Hospital (1976).

{08}Daily News, Oct. 22, 1976.

{09}Philadelphia Enquirer, Dec. 11, 1993.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1963; abortion; holocaust; kerry; killer; murder; plannedparenthood

1 posted on 08/04/2004 9:11:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
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To: cpforlife.org

BOOKMARKING!!!!!!!


2 posted on 08/04/2004 9:12:59 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (If only hamsters could vote.......)
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We cannot allow Kerry to get away with his "Semantic Gymnastics"

John Kerry Sidesteps Abortion Comment, Says Unborn a "Form of Life" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184490/posts

Even Planned Barrenhood used to speak the truth about life beginning at conception, and used the word baby.

3 posted on 08/04/2004 9:15:00 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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To: cpforlife.org
Remember that once upon at time (it still continues today) that eugenics (forced sterilization and racial purity) was in fashion, practiced (in the US) and the cornerstone of NAZISM.
4 posted on 08/04/2004 9:17:33 PM PDT by endthematrix (Go balloons. Go balloons. Go balloons, balloons?)
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To: MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
A 1963 Planned Parenthood brochure actually states: "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun."

Freepers, this might be huge if we could get this in JKF's Face. Can anybody get this to Lurch?!

Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

5 posted on 08/04/2004 9:19:27 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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To: endthematrix

Sadly VERY TRUE.


6 posted on 08/04/2004 9:21:13 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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To: Askel5

Here is a great opportunity for you.


7 posted on 08/04/2004 9:23:05 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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To: joanie-f

Special PING.


8 posted on 08/04/2004 9:27:20 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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Yes. Actually the further back you go the more bold the agenda. It is more difficult today with the obscuring and PC. Recently the was a study done of abortions that concluded that the babies (had they been born) would have been useless dregs anyway, so good riddance to them! Had to do with the underprivileged families. They surly didn't care of the humanity or that people overcome their environments.
9 posted on 08/04/2004 9:27:56 PM PDT by endthematrix (Go balloons. Go balloons. Go balloons, balloons?)
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To: cpforlife.org
In 1963, abortion was widely illegal. PPs main focus was contraception, which was legal though not easily obtainable everywhere.
10 posted on 08/04/2004 9:29:39 PM PDT by Salman
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To: cpforlife.org

Excellent post!


11 posted on 08/04/2004 9:40:30 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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STOPP Planned Parenthood

Margaret Sanger, the NAZIS and Eugenics

Saving Black Babies

Silent No More: A Major Crisis in the African-American Community

Bush Administration Pulls Plug on Financing of Pro-Abortion Global Health Council Conference

THE INHERENT RACISM OF POPULATION CONTROL

DOJ Subpoenas Planned Parenthood Records

Planned Parenthood gives kids 'porn' book

American Life League Publishes Expose Of Planned Parenthood Abuses

The Negro Project- Margaret Sanger's EUGENIC Plan for Black Americans

12 posted on 08/04/2004 9:59:45 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed her children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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13 posted on 08/04/2004 10:00:23 PM PDT by Coleus (Brooke Shields killed her children? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1178497/posts)
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BTTT


14 posted on 08/04/2004 10:05:26 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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A scanned in copy of this would be one thousand times more damning and useful. I know the Commie, errr..., Democrats I know will ignore this and say, "Oh that's just a made up story on a right wing website". Come on, it's not like they are going to sue over copyright infringement. Sueing over this would make headlines even in the post/times fishwraps.


15 posted on 08/04/2004 10:28:46 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: cpforlife.org

bump


16 posted on 08/04/2004 10:51:29 PM PDT by VOA
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To: cpforlife.org

he has alretady admitted this, guys. he believes that life begins at conception, but still advocates abortion. He has SAID it. he is trying to sell it as a church/state issue.


17 posted on 08/04/2004 10:55:35 PM PDT by smonk
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To: cpforlife.org

pro-Life Bump!


18 posted on 08/04/2004 10:56:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: smonk; MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
We know he said it.

But he also twisted it: John Kerry Sidesteps Abortion Comment, Says Unborn a "Form of Life" http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1184490/posts

The point here is to illustrate that even the demons at PP used to call an unborn baby an unborn baby and not a disposable blob of tissue-- and that in the past they admitted it's murder.

Abortion IS murder, but the majority opinion of Roe v Wade purposely ignored basic observable truths.

A human embryo or human fetus IS a very young human being.

person
n. 1) a human being. http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=1516&bold=person||human||

first degree murder http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=754&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C
n. although it varies from state to state, it is generally a killing which is deliberate and premeditated (planned, after lying in wait, by poison or as part of a scheme), in conjunction with felonies such as rape, burglary, arson, or involving multiple deaths, the killing of certain types of people (such as a child, a police officer, a prison guard, a fellow prisoner), or certain weapons, particularly a gun. The specific criteria for first degree murder, are established by statute in each state and by the U.S. Code in federal prosecutions. It is distinguished from second degree murder in which premeditation is usually absent, and from manslaughter, which lacks premeditation and suggests that at most there was intent to harm rather than to kill.

malice aforethought http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=1198&bold=||||
n. 1) the conscious intent to cause death or great bodily harm to another person before a person commits the crime. Such malice is a required element to prove first degree murder. 2) a general evil and depraved state of mind in which the person is unconcerned for the lives of others. Thus, if a person uses a gun to hold up a bank and an innocent bystander is killed in a shoot-out with police, there is malice aforethought.


Here is where US law is based on nothing but lies. See bold and red:

murder http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=1303&bold=||||
n. the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority. In those clear circumstances, this is first degree murder. Death of an unborn child who is "quick" (fetus is moving) can be murder, provided there was premeditation, malice and no legal authority. Thus, abortion is not murder under the law.

Abortion clearly involves premeditation and malice. Finally, and most important, NO person or group can ever licitly grant real legal authority to kill a helpless and innocent person--born or preborn.

IMO--this is what Robert H. Bork meant when making the following comments about Roe v. Wade in Constitutional Persons: An Exchange on Abortion:

"Blackmun invented a right to abortion....Roe had nothing whatever to do with constitutional interpretation. The utter emptiness of the opinion has been demonstrated time and again, but that, too, is irrelevant. The decision and its later reaffirmations simply enforce the cultural prejudices of a particular class in American society, nothing more and nothing less. For that reason, Roe is impervious to logical or historical argument; it is what some people, including a majority of the Justices, want, and that is that."

Also see: John Kerry Thinking on Abortion Same as Supreme Court on Allowing Slavery http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1183898/posts

19 posted on 08/04/2004 11:21:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) A part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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excellent. very impressive. I have no idea how to turn it into a 20 second attack ad, though :)


20 posted on 08/04/2004 11:39:33 PM PDT by smonk
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To: cpforlife.org
Heck, if we are going to look into the past writings of Planned Parenthood, we might as well bring Margaret Sanger's eugenics policies into it as well. Forced sterilization, racial theory, etc.

The abortion movement is evil.

21 posted on 08/05/2004 12:39:42 AM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: cpforlife.org

Bookmark.


22 posted on 08/05/2004 6:02:43 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: endthematrix
Recently there was a study done of abortions that concluded that the babies (had they been born) would have been useless dregs anyway, so good riddance to them!

I saw a very scientific study in a conservative magazine (probably The American Spectator) which concluded that the democrats were (literally) killing their voting base. To summarize, the author said that most abortions are performed upon democrats (since Republicans are far more likely to be Pro-Life) and that, over the years, these unborn voters would have been more than sufficient to tip the scales in favor of the dems, particularly in a close election such as we had in 2000. This is small solace to compensate for the murder of innocents, but it was an interesting and well thought-out analysis.

23 posted on 08/05/2004 6:15:08 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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To: cpforlife.org

Oustanding, cpforlife!

This would be a nice thread on which to collect many of the Dems' arguments on abortion-as-genocide.

That was their stand, you know, until the GOP had laid the foundation and was ready to give them their marching orders as the Litmus Test pro-aborts whose dysgenic constituents would off themselves in a show of Empowerment.

Pretty slick shell game they've got going there, no?


24 posted on 08/05/2004 10:38:25 AM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5; MHGinTN; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...
Thanks Askel!

”This would be a nice thread on which to collect many of the Dems' arguments on abortion-as-genocide.” Yes it would. Do you (or anybody) have a list handy?

"That was their stand, you know, until the GOP had laid the foundation and was ready to give them their marching orders as the Litmus Test pro-aborts whose dysgenic constituents would off themselves in a show of Empowerment.”

Yes. It’s true that both political parties are guilty of this holocaust, and that the GOP was generally speaking, the forerunner on abortion as population control, specifically against the black population.

But it’s worse than NSSM200 etc.—FAR worse:

It was Father Robert Drinan, S. J., who, in 1964 formulated the luciferian "personally opposed to, but reluctantly vote for abortion," position at a Hyannisport meeting with Senators Ted and Robert Kennedy. Robert was running for the New York Senate seat and their political advisors wished to discuss the position a Catholic politician should take on abortion. This seems to have informed the politics of the Kennedy’s. See http://www.excommunication.net/Articles/Quislings.htm

And no doubt the Kennedy’s used this deception to corrupt the consciences of many in both parties.

”Pretty slick shell game they've got going there, no?”

Slick and Satanic.

That’s part of what brought me to the conclusion that the real hope for defeating the CULTure of death is comprehensive sanctity of Life education beginning in kindergarten and lasting through high school.

Three years after I started that PRO-LIFE EDUCATION PROGRAM I discovered that the USCCB thought the same thing and had actually devised a real plan.

Respect Life Curriculum Guidelines was published by the USCCB in 1977 after two years of development. It would have worked if it would have been implemented.

The reason it wasn’t implemented Askel is because of the man who was put in charge OF implementing it, then Msgr. James McHugh, Executive Secretary of the NCCB Committee for Pro-Life Activities.

Askel, I believe you know a few things about the late McHugh.

For those who don't know McHugh, he betrayed and abandoned the sanctity of Life education programs and instead ushered in sex education into the Catholic schools, even homosexual indoctrination for grade schoolers (back in the 1970's in some of the more "progressive" areas). Public sex-ed was formally condemned as far back as Pope St. Pius V at Trent (1500's) and repeatedly up until the 1960's.

A throughly researched and documented book was published detailing McHugh and several other religious leaders in promoting sex-ed of the most corruptive sort which greatly worked against the Pro-Life movement, and accelerated the breakdown of the traditional family.

Sex Education: The Final Plague should be read by all parents of young children. The Enemy is very much within.

"Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe."
--H.G. Wells
The Outline of History, vol. 2, chapter 41, p. 594 (1921). http://www.bartleby.com/73/858.html

25 posted on 08/05/2004 8:22:42 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) a part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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Good stuff!

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

26 posted on 08/05/2004 8:29:29 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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Heck, watch the evening network news reports the night that Roe v. Wade was decided. I believe it was Walter Cronkite who announced that the court decided that abortion was a decision between a doctor and the mother. Mother of what?
27 posted on 08/06/2004 8:06:01 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: cpforlife.org

Do you have a copy of Randy Engel's "The McHugh Chronicles"?

If not, I will make you a copy and mail it to you.


28 posted on 08/06/2004 12:22:06 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

Thanks Askel.

I simply have not gotten around to ordering it. But you have promted me to order a copy today.

For those interested:

"The McHugh Chronicles" which is NOT "Sex Education: The Final Plague" mentioned above, but about the same man in more specific detail can be ordered by Mailing a check for $12.50 incls. postage to:

USCL
Box 315
Export PA 15632.
(Make Check to Randy Engel)

For those who want to know what "The McHugh Chronicles" is all about see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3856ea771cb1.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3926ba0b3bfa.htm


29 posted on 08/06/2004 12:42:41 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) a part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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Wow ... she still sell 'em?

I should buy a couple more copies just on principle.


30 posted on 08/06/2004 8:44:22 PM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5

Yep.

I e-mailed her months back and that's the info.

I'm wondering if she would like it hosted on the net? I might be up to that!

And what story were you asking if I had more details on? About Hughes?


31 posted on 08/06/2004 9:29:26 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (am I) a part of the cure, or am I part of the disease, singing…You are, you are)
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