Posted on 08/05/2004 7:06:48 AM PDT by MizSterious
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You have to give the guys credit. They did the right thing.
It's too bad Scott Peterson doesn't have a couple of brothers like this.
Good for them. It must have been so hard for them to do this, but they did the right thing.
This confession ought to stick, even if it did occur in a mental hospital. I'd still like to know, if that PO box was his and or how long he had the alias.
Is is common practice for people to be admitted under alias'?
Those brothers did the right thing. As a parent, I can imagine they are grieving for the loss of the son they thought they had. To do the right thing does not mean doing the easy thing. I pray God helps both families through this time and the familes can stand together drawing comfort from God and each other.
Mark Hacking, 28, also repeatedly strayed from his church's teachings and hid his secret life from his wife, this week's People magazine reports. His friends told the magazine the burly Mormon also drank alcohol, which is forbidden by the religion, and smoked cigarettes, another taboo.
The magazine reports that Hacking was sent to Canada on a mission several years ago but was sent home because of the sexual relationship. "That's definitely against the rules," said Scott Simpson, a fellow missionary.
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A clerk at Maverick told People that Mark stopped by the store several times a week to buy cigarettes.
In another video shot four hours later, Mark Hacking returns to the store alone and is seen examining his hands, CBS News reported.
But Hacking's lawyer, Gil Athay, told CBS, "If you pump gasoline, you sniff your hands. There's nothing unusual about that videotape." Source
Yes, they show a lot of character. That's almost a rarity in these times.
If the man couldn't abide by the teachings of his religion, he should have opted out and drank, smoked and seduced to his heart's content. by lying to his wife, his family and puttting up this charade, he led himself to this crime. I have no pity for him.
It's actually too bad Scott Peterson exists, much less has brothers!!!
Actually, he sounds like the quintessential Democrat.
< It's too bad Scott Peterson doesn't have a couple of brothers like this. >
Which begs the question: It was purported that Scott Peterson had his brother's driver's license the night he was picked up for murder and that this brother has the bleached hair and goatee like Scott had at that time. I've seen nothing about this "brother" since.
I was hoping this would happen. They done good.
I absolutely give them and their family credit. By all reports this is a good family; and the fact that they never came out decrying any injustice against 'the husband' or insisting on his 'innocence'; and at this point, still have not tried to make excuses for him; is a huge relief.
Son, notwithstanding, the response. . .the support maintained by Scott Petersen's family is neither admirable nor reasonable. IMHO!
If Scott gets the chair, do his siblings get his insurance policy?
Guess he never thought about what Lori was feeling as he killed her. Punk had to kill her in her sleep or she'd have had a chance to fight back. He needs to fry.
I think they told him about all the evidence. They just want the body. An autopsy will give the conclusions.
Has Mark made a statement to the police repeating his confession?
So far, I don't think so. If he has, they haven't told the media.
I have no doubt that Hacking was a problem missionary, but I think it is unlikely that he was sent home for having a sexaual relationship. If that was the reason, it would NOT have been an honourable release and he would have faced a church court when he got home to determine if he should be disfellowshiped from the church or not. Nor does the church keep a rap sheet of a member's past sins, so there is no 'report' to come out.
When a missionary is sent home for disobedience, it usually sparks a lot of gossip and speculation. He could have been sent home for not staying together with his companion elder, but that doesn't make an exciting story. Unless there is an eyewitness coming forward on this matter, this should be counted as nothing but gossip.
Thanks, Grig, that's helpful for those of us who aren't that familiar with this religion.
Criminal acts are excluded from insurance policies.
I think this is why the two families still seem to be close. They are genuinely interested in doing what is right. Lori's family seems to recognize that one bad Hacking is not representative of the family, and they are proving that. Good for all of them in this most difficult time.
I'm glad his family is doing the right thing--my gosh, that is so rare these days. What a terrible thing for his brothers to have to do. May God give them consolation and strength.
Deseret Morning News, Thursday, August 05, 2004
Landfill search is on again
Mark Hacking alias was for hospital use, his attorney says
By Pat Reavy and Jennifer Dobner
Deseret Morning News
As questions continued to swirl about Mark Hacking's recent past, including alleged use of an alias, investigators with cadaver dogs returned to Salt Lake County's landfill Wednesday night to search for the body of his missing wife, Lori.
Mark Hacking, who was arrested Monday for investigation of first-degree criminal homicide, was asked as part of the standard Salt Lake County Jail booking procedure whether he had ever used any aliases.
Hacking replied that he had used the name "Jonathan Long," Salt Lake County Sheriff's Sgt. Rosie Rivera said. The jail was not obligated to confirm whether Hacking had actually ever used that name or to find out when, where or under what circumstance he might have used it.
Seeking to clarify the situation, Hacking's attorney, Gil Athay, said "Long" was the name assigned to Hacking when he was admitted to the University of Utah psychiatric unit. The name, intended to help avoid media attention, was picked totally at random, Athay said, comparing the selection to the alphabetic method for naming hurricanes.
Athay said he used the name whenever calling the hospital to contact his client.
Federal medical privacy law prohibits the hospital from confirming whether Mark Hacking was even ever a patient at the university's facility, hospital spokeswoman Anne Berliner said.
However, it is not unusual for high-profile patients to request or be assigned "aliases" in order to maintain their privacy, she said.
"It does occur, yes," said Berliner. "You can opt out of providing information altogether. An alias is sort of a medium ground whereby family members can call and get information on the patient."
Hacking's family confirmed on July 21 that Mark had checked into the hospital the day after Lori vanished after suffering severe emotional distress. His father, Douglas Hacking, said at that time Mark Hacking was medicated and undergoing psychological testing by doctors.
A week ago, Salt Lake City police detective Dwayne Baird told the Deseret Morning News that he knew of no fictitious names that Mark Hacking might have used or that police were checking in connection with the case.
But for several hours Wednesday Hacking's alleged alias caused a stir. A man with the same name as the alias Hacking gave police was interviewed by various media outlets. Police said later that he had no connection to the case, although according to Long's mother, her son was initially concerned that he may have been a victim of identity theft.
"(He) has spoken to the police, and they say it's just a case of mistaken identity, they have no interest in talking to him." Long's mother, Janet Killgore, said.
Click on link above for the rest of the story.
At first, it appeared they were going to go the Peterson route, but now it seems more like they'll support him as long as he faces the music. Good family, wish there were more like them!
All the talking heads, kept guessing it to be a patient. Well, I knew that couldn't have been the source because only family members were permitted to visit Mark.
I don't know that I buy this. The media knew he was there, so there was no need for an alias. And why would he need to open a post office box under that name, as other reports have stated?
Yeah, this is his "attorney" speaking. Mark would not have to give LE an "alias" for being in hospital under an assumed name. LE would already have known that & wouldn't have put it on the warrant for arrest.
I really doubt that his lawyer has allowed him to make a "confession" to police. If he is any lawyer at all. Most lawyers tell you to shut your mouth. One would assume that this lawyer is no different. He has already came out saying that just because Mark was inspecting his hands in the video doesn't mean he was checking for blood. His response to this video was "People smell thier hands when they pump gas all the time, this means nothing." Soooo...go figure!
Yes. But this appears to be one of those rare instances where a family member armed with nothing more than moral suasion got a confession from a represented accused that the police could never have gotten without some sort of pretrial agreement.
Hacking's attorney, Gil Athay, was and is pretty much powerless to prevent this sort of thing from happening. He probably told Hacking not to tell a soul anything, including and perhaps especially members of Hacking's family, but if Hacking chooses to disregard the advice, that's his choice.
Unless the brothers obtained the confession at the urging or request of the police there is no constitutional basis for challenging the confession. All Athay can do now is attack the reliability of the confession (that Hacking lied just to get his brothers off his back etc) or the credibility of the brother(s) (they're making it all up etc).
Athay can still defend Hacking against a murder charge, but it's a lot tougher now.
If the prosucution had a brain (which is doubtful, it appears), they'd tot him up to the witness stand along with the arrest pics of Scott, and hopefully photos of the brother from about that time, if he's changed HIS appearance by now.
True True. I guess I had never thought that Althay would tell him not to talk to his family. Either way I say Kudos to the Hacking family for being strong, and having the courage to stand up for the truth. Obviously this is a trait that seemed to skip Mark.
This guy is so stupid. He should have just told her the truth and end there marriage.
I think at that point ending of the marriage would not have done it either. He had lied to so many people, not just to Lori, but the entire family. Maybe he killed her to create a disturbance to take the heat off of him and his lies. Only because he is so warped anyway, he created more of a situation that placed the attention "entirely" on him. Well come to think of it, maybe that was his actual plan. He seems to desire attention. If you look at it...he had to create a disturbance while everyone was focusing thier attention on finding Lori. Maybe that was his prime goal all along.
All in all. The guy is a total freak.
I can't believe that Athay will actually try for an acquittal. You notice, he has challenged some of the "evidence" published in the press, but he has never said Hacking didn't do it. There really isn't an effective "insanity defense" in Utah. But he may attempt to avoid the death penalty.
If Hacking has any kind of a conscience left, he won't drain his dad's bank account with a phony defense.
If Hacking has any kind of a conscience left, he won't drain his dad's bank account with a phony defense.
Unfortunately, it seems that any man who could sit on information about the situation for 5 days....I would say he has no conscience at all.
It would be useless and a big waste of his parents' money to go to trial. Besides, being a huge waste of taxpayer money. Look at how much LE has been going through to recover the body from the landfill and most likely have a lot more days to search.
To say nothing of the manpower slogging through all that debris. How horrible for those poor guys & the dogs.
Pinging everyone to Jackie-O's post on another thread:
"To: MizSterious; All
Coming up on Greta, Lori's parents talk to Greta...
Miz, ping me to any Lori thread that this may be discussed???
Thanks.
137 posted on 08/05/2004 8:29:17 PM CDT by Jackie-O"
Thanks Miz...watching now.
My sister is a nurse. We were talking about the alias last night and she said the hospital she works at will do the same thing. If it is a patient with a high profile, then they will get an alias. Anyone calling from the press or anyone not cleared by the family or patient can't get information.
Or John Kerry...
But, do they rent mail boxes under those aliases, as they're saying Mark did? ;)
That I don't know. I'm about to pass on third hand information, so...
My sister heard an interview yesterday and in that interview, it was mentioned that the patients do get a PO box under the alias, it is for family members to send items or something.
The interview also said that the police investigators are looking into the alias situation.
Hah, well, there goes that criticism! Maybe I'm just too cynical?
Well, my sister and I both think there is something more to the alias stuff. We could be wrong. I found this article to be quite enlightening.
Greene identifies with Hackings
She says it's quite possible to be deceived by loved one
How could Mark Hacking's family and especially his wife not know he apparently led a double life prior to Lori Hacking's suspicious disappearance?
They had to have known something, didn't they?
Those questions are being bandied around the water cooler and over the airwaves as more details about Mark Hacking trickle out.
"I am here to tell them that you can be completely in the dark," said former Utah congresswoman Enid Greene. "It's very possible because I lived it."
Greene won the 2nd Congressional District seat in 1994. But her personal and political life unraveled in 1995 when it became public that her then-husband Joe Waldholtz was involved in fraudulent financial activities.
Waldholtz deceived her in almost every aspect of their lives, from being a closet smoker to funneling money illegally into her election campaign, she said.
The couple divorced, and Waldholtz went to prison on fraud charges not directly related to the campaign. Greene did not seek re-election.
"The real difficulty is learning the deception of someone you absolutely loved and trusted," she said. "It is so shocking that you kind of go numb".
Greene, 45, and the mother of an 8-year-old daughter, said she imagines the Hacking and Soares families are going through the same thing, compounded by the fact Lori Hacking is missing.
"People can say, 'What about this and what about that?' They want all their questions answered. Well, believe me so does the family. They don't know any more than anyone else does, and in some ways less."
Greene said she discovered reading the Washington Post that Waldholtz was Jewish, not Episcopalian as he professed. She also learned from a Salt Lake department store clerk that Waldholtz had ordered Waterford crystal barware though they didn't have alcohol in the house.
"This family is going to experience this many times over the next few months. They'll think they've gotten to the bottom of it, then something else will pop up and they'll think, 'Oh my gosh, he lied about that too,' " she said.
Greene, an attorney, said for years she tried to nail down every detail about Waldholtz's secret life. The effort proved frustrating and fruitless. "I know the big pieces, but I'll never know all the little pieces," she said. She sees Mark Hacking's family doing the same.
But "the only one who knows the truth is Mark Hacking, and you can't trust what he says."
Greene said she received some 300 letters from people across the country sharing similar stories of deceit. They, too, asked such questions as "How dumb was I?" and "How did I miss this?" But they also wanted her know she wasn't alone.
As the Hacking and Soares families ponder those questions and learn new details about Mark Hacking, Greene said they will need even more community support than they are already receiving.
"There's no such thing as closure in a case like this," she said. "That's one of the things I just grieve for this family about . . . They, unfortunately, for the rest of their lives are going have to think, 'Who is he? What is he capable of?' "
Good article! We experienced some of this on a much smaller scale when a neighbor of ours turned out to be someone other than we thought(mild mannered accountant--actually a major drug dealer? The neighborhood was in shock.). I can't imagine what it must be like to have an actual relative turn out to be like this. It just boggles the mind.
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