Skip to comments.Swift Boat Vets on Hannity Radio Show after 4PM EST
Posted on 08/05/2004 12:59:35 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
From Kerry's perspective he had survived a Lt. Gov campaign, a congressional campaign (which he voluntarily dropped out of), and three Senate campaigns. So, he must think this is enough of a vetting!
If his judgement is this bad in his personal/career decisions just imagine what kind of President he would make!
"If his judgement is this bad in his personal/career decisions just imagine what kind of President he would make!"
I cringe at the thought, believe me.
You might have the makings of a new Doug from Upland Freeper Song! "Me So Angry" LOL!
Drudge is flashing the muzzling letter now
Just released. On the web.....
I truely hope this is the end of the jerks political career.
My sweet vietnam vet husband who is now deceased really hated this guy. I am glad this is coming out to the public now. I pray he never becomes President.
The medic had to remove it with chopsticks.
Brinkley is such a hack.
Brinkley purposely 86ed Steven Gardner (Kerry's Gunner who is against Kerry) out of the book. Brinkley had only one thing in mind-- writing a sensational account of Kerry's exploits in Nam that could serve as a vehicle to get him elected. Even the title "Tour Of Duty" is bunk-- Kerry didn't even complete his tour.
So many lies. It is shocking!
Wow! They're suddenly opposed to deceptive advertising.
Brinkley's name is mud.
Oh well, at least I was there to say the correct name of the site...
Well, it's a beautifully crafted piece of...er, work. Toon would be proud.
"My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?"
-- Steven Gardner
The above quote was from a press conference given at the National Press Club in Washington on May 4, 2004. You may view Stevens comments at the following web site. Just scroll down to Stevens picture and click on it.
Searching through that web site, you will find 250 men who served on Swift boats, including the entire chain of command above Lt. Kerry, agree with Steven Gardner that Kerry is not fit to be Commander-in-Chief. That compares to the 13 crew members who support his candidacy.
The letter is nothing but empty threats. No respponsible station would pay any attention to this blatant attempt to manipulate and intimidate them.
My information is that Swift Vets included with each copy of the ad they sent to TV stations 60 pages of supporting documentation, including sworn statements. Now the question becomes whether the Kerry campaign is able to exert de facto censorship over what airs on the establishment media.
More "meaning of is, is" crap. Stating they weren't on Kerry's boat. Of course not, they were his superior OFFICERS!
Hannity's going to discuss something NewsMax's Carl Limbacher just sent himk about comments John McCain made in the past about Kerry's anti-war activities.
I have Chapter 3 of the book. I received it from Human Events. It is very powerful--and specific. An excerpt:
None of Kerrys Purple Hearts were for serious injuries. They were concededly minor scratches at best, resulting in no lost duty time. Each Purple Heart decoration is very controversial, with considerable evidence (and in two of the cases, with incontrovertible and conclusive evidence) that the minor injuries were caused by Kerrys own hand and were not the result of hostile fire of any kind. They are a subject of ridicule within our unit. I did get cut a few times, but I forgot to recommend myself for a Purple Heart. Sorry about that, wrote John Howland, a boat commander with call sign Gremlin.
Moreover, many Swiftees have now come forth to question Kerrys deception. I was there the entire time Kerry was and witnessed two of his war wounds. I was also present during the action [in which] he received his Bronze Star. I know what a fraud he is. How can I help? wrote Van Odell, a gunner from Kerrys unit in An Thoi.2 Commander John Kipp, USN (retired), of Coastal Division 13 also volunteered, If there is anything I can do to unmask this charlatan, please let me know. He brings disgrace to all who served.
Swiftees have remarked that, if Kerry faked even one of these awards, he owes the Navy 243 additional days in Vietnam before he runs for anything. In a unit where terribly wounded personnel like Shelton White (now an undersea film producer who records specials for National Geographic) chose to return to duty after three wounds on the same day, Kerrys actions were disgraceful.
Indeed, many share the feelings of Admiral Roy Hoffmann, to whom all Swiftees reported: Kerry simply bugged out when the heat was on.
Good for him, that he is speaking out against Lurch, These guys are brave.
That DNC muzzle letter is really disgusting. These people are so low.
W is known for his ju-jitsu approach--as in The Art of War, he uses his enemies's "strengths" against them, such as Al Gore's conceitedness.
The dems have been hammering Bush incessantly, everyone knows it, even casual listeners/watchers. Ads, celebrities, Fahrenheit 9-11.
Now, the heat is going the other way, and those who don't feel particularly partisan will look at the dems whining and say "You've been doing it for months, tough it out."
The dems have outwitted themselves--they have made non-capaign expenditures and Moore and Franken bull fair game. Fine. Now REAL people with REAL facts are doing the same thing. The dems hypocrisy will not be lost on those on the sidelines.
With the marring of Kerry's ONE reason for asking for one's vote--his war experience--Kerry is in deep trouble. That Kerry whines on the road is not going to help him now.
After reading Chapter 3, it will be almost impossible for the MSM to ignore this book. There are details and facts. They compare Kerry's story and other reports such as those in the Boston Globe bio on Kerry to "What Really Happened." It is absolutely devastating. I enjoyed one comment, "What his fellow Swiftees concluded was that Kerry had a very high regard for his own well-being and very little nerve for facing serious combat."
I expect it's going to get quite a bit of attention.
They'll undoubtedly think of something.
I wonder if the Swift vets have grounds to sue either the Kerry campaign or any media outlets who capitulate to their astonishingly presumptuous demands.<br
[ missed the intro ]
Hannity: Well, thank you all for being with us, by the way, Van look, you spent three of the four months with John Kerry; what did you see and what did you learn about John Kerry and why are you involved in this effort?
Van: Well, John was one of the officers that was prominent because of his presence, so to speak but Id like to say that what I learned of him is that he lied about what went on in Vietnam as far as the atrocities that he purported happened. Ah, he also filed false reports about actions we were in, specifically when he earned his Bronze Star and Purple Heart I was there at that action and during that time, the things that he wrote about were just not true. And I did not find out until years later that he received a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart for that action which he shouldnt have.
Hannity: uh huh he claims, van, in this when he got back from Vietnam, he claimed and admitted to committing atrocities he admitted he said I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of others. Among the other things that he admits to, he violated the Geneva Convention and that he was involved in search and destroy missions and that he burned down villages. Did you ever see any of this when you were with him?
Van: Let me make this specific we were all volunteers, we in the Navy were all volunteers to be in Vietnam, we are patriotic people, we came back and are now productive citizens and have been for years. We did not commit atrocities [spoken with emphasis]. In my twelve months there [my emphasis added], I never saw, heard, or read of any atrocities committed by Swift Boat sailors. Uh, and the second part of that, Id like to say if atrocities occurred as purported by John Kerry, why didnt he report them while he was a naval officer, that goes against the Geneva Convention
Hannity: [speaking over Van], I understand that but I mean this is very a serious charge but er can we just assume then that he committed these atrocities in the one other month that he wasnt with you?
Adm. Hoffman: Let me break in here
Hannity: Yes sir, Admiral Hoffman
Adm. Hoffman: He accused of that before the Senate in 1971 and he never specified one atrocity at that time and it has been 35 years and to this day John Kerry has not specified
[weather alert interrupts my recording]
[unk speaker]: ... but very little specifics that can ever be checked so when Naval Investigators went in to find out what had happened, there wasnt much they could get their hands on. They did discover that a number of the VVAW [Vietnam Veterans Against the War] participants upon whom John Kerry based his testimony were not in the Navy or were not who they said they were and werent able to verify any atrocities. John Kerrys own testimony, his own report, that he had committed atrocities was similarly vague.
Hannity: Yeah, but now there are people apparently in this new book I havent gotten my copy yet, as I understand it there is a copy waiting for me when I get to Fox tonight, of this book Unfit to Serve they have quotes from other soldiers that, where they were there when he [Kerry] ordered the killing of animals, and this one allegation, they witnessed him killing a teenaged, young Vietnamese boy that was in a loin cloth.
Van: That was where he earned his Silver Star. And theres much controversy about that. And if he did uh, at one point in his writings he said he did the cooty [???] draw and shot him, where you cant shoot wounded prisoners; if he did that, hes guilty of war crimes.
Hannity: Well, he admits that he committed war crimes. I mean, we have his own words Ill play it for you when we get back. He admits that already . We know that.
Adm. Hoffman: Well, if he [verbal emphasis] admitted it, he certainly never reported it. Furthermore, did he ever report one of his shipmates, that is his fellow ONC or enlisted men I recall I dont recall, I got a report from one of the former officers that he did witness Kerry beaching his boat one day and, uh, destroying the
[darn, weather alert goes off again!!! I suspect a conspiracy! Of all the times to have a break]
Adm. Hoffman: has just come out recently.
Hannity: Gentlemen, let me put you on hold here because we gotta take a scheduled break here but I, too many questions I have, I cant let you go yet. Roy Hoffman is with us, Rear Admiral, US Navy retired. Uh, he was in charge of John Kerry and the Swift Boat Vet guys. Uh, Van Odell is with us; served with John Kerry in Vietnam, he was a Gunners Mate Scott Swett is a part of the uh, Swift Vets uh, what is the name of your web site again?
Scott: The name of the site is swiftvets.com. Im actually the author of another site, wintersoldier.com that focuses
Hannity [talking over]: ok, on that book
Scott: Kerrys war crimes
Hannity: hang on one second, well take a break, well come back with all these guys
and of course we gotta ask the question why they decided to come out and talk about their time with John Kerry [segues into station break]
"Did he honestly believe they would not step up when he started trying to ride this pony to the White House? These are Vets, not some bunch of cowards or America haters. Why didn't someone see this coming. I am utterly baffled."
Kerry knew he could count on the press to not only look the other way but to actually ATTACK anyone who would dare point out the truth. We must understand that socialists are at war with reality. Truth and facts are things to be hated and attacked, not things to be desired. For them, reality is what they make it and has no existence outside their own wills.
Who is going to be the first interviewer to ask Kerry directly about this?
Somehow, I think Mr. O'Neill is quite capable of defending himself in court.
The better angle of this is "When confronted by an opponent the Kerry campaigns FIRST response was to threaten to sue. Do you Mr/Ms Voter think Al Queda is afraid of lawyers?"
I appreciate you noticing. It is consuming me at the moment to say powerful things in a playful manner.
As far as Kerry goes, I'd sooner have Bill Clinton back. Clinton was just a draft dodger. Kerry is a traitor. Clinton knew when he was lying. Kerry believes his own lies.
Even the libs I know don't like Kerry. I will pray for a Bush landslide victory this November.
I got to drive home now.
I ordered my copy a few days ago. At that time, I figured that it would get the same media treatment as Gary Aldrich's book. After reading Chapter 3,however, I agree that it will get plenty of attention from all sides. It will be very difficult to refute and hopefully, will pressure Kerry to authorize complete release of his military records. This book is a blockbuster. It shows how shallow and unscholarly Brinkley's book, Tour of Duty, is. If I were Brinkley, I would stop calling my self an historian.
You're GREAT! Thanks for the play-by-play. Bookmarking for indepth reading later.
>>Hey, I want full credit for the RICE UP THE BUTT WOUND phrasing! I'm calling John Edwards to copyright it this minute!!! :P <<
My FRiend, you deserve it!
I did medical transcription and I could not have done as great a job as you did!
Thank you for the site. You are doing very important work for our country and most especially for the men who have served her honorably.
DUPLICITOUS, MACHIAVELLIAN, POWER GREEDY TRAITOR IDIOTS.
One of them was obviously holding the camera for him. If they were in "combat", how could they work the camera and their weapons??? Nobody in my squad operated a camera while we were taking fire.
Hannity: ... served with John Kerry in Vietnam, and Scott Swett is with us, he's a webmaster for Swift Boat Vets and, uh, they came out with this ad. Now ... let me play the admission of Kerry, where he admits he committed atrocities and get your reaction to this, guys:
Kerry: ... yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities that thousands of other soldiers have committed, in that: I took part in shootings in free-fire zones; I conducted harassment and interdiction fire; I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted, ordered to use; I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages ...
Hannity: He also admits he violated the Geneva Convention. Uh, Admiral Hoffman, what do you think of what you just heard?
Adm. Hoffman: ... well, I think he's lying. He may have com... what he did himself, that's his business. But when he starts accusing his shipmates, we have in that division he was in, there were 23, uh, officers - there were 25, 2 are now deceased - of those 25, only one supports him to this day.
Hannity: Admiral, you mean one of the 25 Swift Boat guys
Adm. Hoffman: That's correct, his peer ONC's, the officers in charge, the same, uh, same position that he held
Hannity: Only one in twenty five?
Adm. Hoffman: One in 25 ... well, 2 are deceased, so we'll say one in 23.
Hannity: One in 23 ... Van, I mean ... I mean, is it possible - you were serving with him - you never saw him commit an atrocity, you never saw him burn a village.
Van: I never, I never saw a village, a friendly village burn. What I saw was, when we found VC hootches full of weapons or contraband, we burned those. But to go into a village or to fire in a village didn't happen. As a matter of fact, there were times that we withheld fire even though we were receiving fire because civilians were in the way. Ah, we weren't going about there willy-nilly; we had missions, specific missions, and we went and carried those out in the highest traditions of the Navy.
Hannity: Alright, let me ask you this, then, because this new book and we're going to have the first interview on this program next week, Unfit For Command, Swift Boat Vets speak about John Kerry with John O'Neill, in this book, in ah, it is claimed that Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing teenage VietCong in a loin cloth [garbled] that upon his command, numerous small animals were slaughtered by heavy caliber machine guns, and, uh, that he ran around with a Zippo lighter, burning up an entire innocent village. Is that, er, I mean he admits to doing that, is that the case; were you there for that?
Van: I was not there for any of those incidents. I do know that he, he shot the Vietnamese in the loin cloth, who had already been shot by his machine gunner ..
Hannity: Wait a minute, you saw this?
Van: No, I heard of it happening from his crew.
Hannity: Now explain what you heard had happened
Van: that, uh, that the young boy had already been, been aiming a rocket at them but the machine gunner had caught him in, in the legs and had shot him up pretty bad. And that Kerry went around and then fired and, and killed him at that point.
Adm. Hoffman[???]: Sean, that probably doesn't qualify as a war crime and I'm not sure anybody is claiming that ...
Hannity [talking over]: yeah, that doesn't sound like one to me ... I would openly admit that but, ah
Scott[?]: Sean, I was, I was involved in helping put the book together, and uh, one, one of the things that it focuses on is, Kerry is trying to blame the atrocities - he's not admitting to atrocities - he's saying that the entire US military structure was systematically committing atrocities ...
Hannity: No, no, no, that's a separate thing, he said, you just heard him in his own voice saying "I commited atrocities" ...
Scott[?]: Yes, "as did thousands of others"
Hannity: Yeah, but he says "I burn villages" so, I'm uh, you know I ...
Scott[?]: "that we were ordered to do"
Hannity: Ok, so
Scott[?]: Its the orders he wants to place the focus on
Hannity: Alright, so, but the point is if he did these things and he violated the Geneva Convention, and he committed atrocities, does he not have a responsibility to say no ... I mean, Admiral? I mean, do you know of any orders to burn villages? ... of innocent people?
Adm. Hoffman: No, of course there were no such orders. It's also worth noting that since Kerry was running around with a film crew all the time that, if he had atrocities to film its astounding that he didn't get any footage of that, instead of just him walking around with a gun.
Hannity: Alright, I got a lot more to get to with you guys, um, and I got to take a break ... we have a hard break coming up here ... and, uh, Van, by the way is a gunners mate, served with Kerry, you're gonna be on TV tonight ... and we got the other side of that debate ... and we're going to show you the latest poll numbers on Hannity & Colmes tonight [segue into break]
You're a lot better at this than I was! Well done!
What a team!
> That DNC muzzle letter is really disgusting.
Yep. It will cause lots of people to go to the
site, and if unresponsive, go to:
right-click, save-as, and share with friends.
Check out post #156!! Copy of fax from Dim Attorneys regarding Swift Boat Vets ad....
Retired Adm. Roy Hoffmann, head of the Swift Boat group, said they respected McCain's "right to express his opinion and we hope he extends to us the same respect and courtesy, particularly since we served with John Kerry, we knew him well and Sen. McCain did not."
Drudge has it all:
Swift Boat Veterans For Truth Responds To Senator McCain
Thu Aug 05 2004 17:10:20 ET
"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has more than 250 members, many of whom were wounded or highly decorated in Vietnam.
We purchased with our blood and service the right to be heard, to set the record straight about our unit, and to tell the truth about John Kerry's military service record.
We respect Senator McCain's right to express his opinion and we hope he extends to us the same respect and courtesy, particularly since we served with John Kerry, we knew him well and Senator McCain did not."
Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann (ret.), Founder and Chairman of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
sounds like the Clintoon thing all over again ......guess its the same folks behind the new faces....so LKL is going to bring down the DEMONcrats ?.........just fed in 566 coke cans in the machine....MEDIC !!!!
"Nobody in my squad operated a camera while we were taking fire."
Amen! Certainly not and live to talk about it.