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Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam: Kevin McCullough reveals why prez wannabe lasted only 4 months
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, August 6, 2004 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 08/06/2004 1:56:51 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Friday, August 6, 2004



Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam

Posted: August 6, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Kevin McCullough


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The image Americans were asked to believe, at the Democratic National Convention, of a John Kerry who "defended this nation" as a soldier in Vietnam and "will defend this nation" as its commander in chief has hit a snag.

The soldiers he served alongside of don't really believe that he did defend his country very well. And as one of his former commanding officers told my radio show on Wednesday, Kerry's chain of command was so fed up with his actions, they asked him to go home after he received his third purple heart.

Retired U.S. Navy officer Thomas Wright served our nation for 21 years. He also served as one of Kerry's superiors in the tough assignment of SWIFT Boat (Shallow Water Inshore Fast Tactical) patrols on the southern tip of Vietnam. Lt. Wright frequently experienced trouble with Kerry.

According to Wright, Kerry frequently broke protocols of engagement for SWIFT Boat commanders.

When you're in a group (of boats on patrol) you don't open fire unless the person in charge tells you to or unless you are defending yourself from an immediate attack ... I'd have problems because we'd be running on a river and Kerry would see something off in the distance and he'd take a pot-shot at it, to see what happened. And that wasn't the way we were trying to run the patrols.

We were trying to get in and find out what was going on, and hopefully make contact and begin to work with some of the people that lived there ... And you don't get to go shake their hands when you're shooting at them.

I asked Wright how Kerry would respond to the necessary correction that would follow such unilateral actions.

Well, during the mission you just continue to issue the orders that you expect people to follow and, if they don't do them, you would continue to press until you got the results that you need.

After a mission, is generally when you work out the more difficult problems. And those are done in private.

I'd go talk to John Kerry and I'd tell him that I was unhappy with his opening fire, or pulling out of a column when he wasn't supposed to, or failing to communicate when he needed to ... And I'd always get an excuse. I wouldn't get a direct answer.

I'd get "I didn't hear that," or "We thought we saw something" or "My radio was on the other side of the boat" or "I didn't have time." It was always an excuse. After three or four times ... I went to the division commander, told him about the problems I [had] been having and told him [the commander] that he needed to take steps to correct it.

That brought me to the shocker of the interview. To hear John Kerry speak about his time in Vietnam is to hear a self-personified story of heroics. Lt. Wright remembers what happened after Kerry's third purple heart quite differently.

When he got his third purple heart, that evening, and we didn't particularly care what it was for, we knew that he had three. That evening, I and two other people went in and told him that we felt that he should go home. It was something that he could do ... He told us that he didn't want that, it was his intention to serve his country, and the next morning he was gone. And we were happy and didn't worry about it.

John Kerry was barely able to endure four months on SWIFT Boat detail. Since I am sure the War on Terror will endure a bit longer than that, the idea of him commanding our troops with his unsteady hand is making me ... well ... seasick.


Editor's note: The actual audio of this entire interview can be heard on Kevin McCullough's website.


Kevin McCullough is heard daily from 1 to 4 p.m. EST in New York City on AM 570 WMCA, and in New Jersey on AM 970 WWDJ. Additionally, you can read his daily postings at The KMC Blog. For information on how to bring "The Kevin McCullough Show" to a station near you, call Dave Armstrong at 201-298-5700.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: kerry; militaryrecord; swiftboatveterans; thomaswright; unfit
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1 posted on 08/06/2004 1:56:52 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

BTTT!!!


2 posted on 08/06/2004 2:38:43 AM PDT by Maigrey (If this is an occupation then I show my deepest respect to it ... - Hoshyar Zakhoi - (Iraq.))
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To: JohnHuang2

This contradicts the account of another swiftboat vet I heard today who says Kerry dug up "an obscure regulation" about being sent home after three Purple Hearts himself. Which would explain why he was so determined to get them awarded for self-inflicted splinters and rice wounds in the butt.


3 posted on 08/06/2004 2:44:01 AM PDT by Hugin
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To: JohnHuang2

I thought he "asked to leave"-- not that "he was asked to leave."

I think this guy has got it all wrong.


4 posted on 08/06/2004 2:47:40 AM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: JohnHuang2
I wonder what Teraaayza has to say about the Swift Boat ad. I guess I hear a collective, "Shove it", coming to the Swift Boat guys!

;-)

5 posted on 08/06/2004 3:06:46 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: faithincowboys

It was a little of each. Kerry was trying to get out, and they wanted him out because he was always complaining and .....


6 posted on 08/06/2004 3:08:17 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Free Martha Mitchell......... and Jail Teraaaaaayza)
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To: Hugin
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,599034,00.html The Tenth Brother

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/11/kerry_no_hero_in_ex_crewmans_eyes/ the tenth brother

http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/04/27/Politics/Purple.Hearts.Three.And.Out-656749.shtml Purple Hearts: Three and Out

7 posted on 08/06/2004 3:38:00 AM PDT by GailA ( hanoi john, I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, before I impose a moratorium on it.)
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To: JohnHuang2

I believe this article is a key reason behind Kerry's refusal to allow release of his military records. He is hiding the truth of his premature Viet Nam departure and the details of his actions resulting in his medals.


8 posted on 08/06/2004 3:38:47 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: JohnHuang2
If LeJean was asked to leave, it can explain his rapid change from gung-ho Navy man to crusading anti-war protestor. It can also explain how he became so eager to malign the war, the servicemen, and the country itself.
9 posted on 08/06/2004 4:12:35 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: atomicpossum

Excellent point!


10 posted on 08/06/2004 4:22:05 AM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: JohnHuang2

If GWB had done this sort of thing, the dims would be hysterical. Headlines across the country day after day.


11 posted on 08/06/2004 4:27:44 AM PDT by tkathy (The choice is clear. Big tent or no tent.)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump!


12 posted on 08/06/2004 4:34:29 AM PDT by F-117A
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To: faithincowboys

Well, then, I think it's time for clarification...

"So senator, were you pushed out by your 'band of brothers', or did you just use an obscure rule to abandon them?"

What? Too harsh?


13 posted on 08/06/2004 4:36:12 AM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: faithincowboys
I thought he "asked to leave"-- not that "he was asked to leave."

__________________________________________________

Yep, either Kerry planned the 3x and you're out of there or these guys hipped him to it....it can't be both.

14 posted on 08/06/2004 4:38:24 AM PDT by wtc911 (6 Flags Dancing Guy is Urkel.....wanna bet?)
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To: atomicpossum
If LeJean was asked to leave, it can explain his rapid change from gung-ho Navy man to crusading anti-war protestor. It can also explain how he became so eager to malign the war, the servicemen, and the country itself.....

All accounts I've read have Kerry being anti-war prior to going in.

15 posted on 08/06/2004 4:40:56 AM PDT by wtc911 (6 Flags Dancing Guy is Urkel.....wanna bet?)
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To: JohnHuang2
"...John Kerry who "defended this nation" as a soldier in Vietnam..

As a member of the Swift Boat group, JFrekn'Kerry was NOT a soldier (come to think of it he wasn't much of a sailor either)

16 posted on 08/06/2004 4:41:16 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: JohnHuang2

This story certainly is believable, especially when you look at his behavior today. He blamed other things and people back then for his faults and he is doing the same thing now (remember the snowboard fall).


17 posted on 08/06/2004 4:41:24 AM PDT by anoldafvet (Real heros don't leave combat after 4 months, they stay till the job's done.)
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To: Hugin
It doesn't contradict it directly since I doubt the commander made it public knowledge that Kerry was forced out. Consider it the "you're fired, no I quit" situation and the boss is magnanimous and lets you say you quit. But later on down the road, when the stakes are high the boss has enough of the lie and tells the truth. Meanwhile, the coworkers don't know the inside scoop. If you read Adm. Hoffman's remarks about the explosion incident, Kerry's was the only boat that bugged out instead of rendering aid to the damaged 3 boat. I suspect THAT was the straw that broke Wright's back.
18 posted on 08/06/2004 4:45:04 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("I actually was going to throw like a man before I threw like a girl." JFK 7/25/2004)
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To: beyond the sea
"I wonder what Teraaayza has to say about the Swift Boat ad. I guess I hear a collective, "Shove it", coming to the Swift Boat guys!"

I'm positive I heard the wannabe bwitch say at the RAT enema-center in Boston, that " .. he served two terms in Viet Nam."

No one picked up on that, or I blew a fuse and didn't really hear it.

19 posted on 08/06/2004 4:49:42 AM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Hugin
Not necessarily a contradiction about the 3 purple heart rule. The man in this story doesn't say how he came to know about the rule....after all he was fairly young himself. They might well have found out through Kerry or through someone Kerry told.

When he got his third purple heart, that evening, and we didn't particularly care what it was for, we knew that he had three. That evening, I and two other people went in and told him that we felt that he should go home. It was something that he could do ... He told us that he didn't want that, it was his intention to serve his country, and the next morning he was gone. And we were happy and didn't worry about it.

20 posted on 08/06/2004 4:53:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Supporting Bush/Cheney 2004!)
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To: JohnHuang2
as a soldier

As a navy man, this has always bothered me. Why would a self-respecting naval office EVER call himself a soldier ????

21 posted on 08/06/2004 5:04:24 AM PDT by BSunday (Make Moveon Move On)
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To: anoldafvet

If one looks in the DSM-IV, which is the diagnostic book for Psychological problems, methinks that when one looks up Narcissitic Personality Disorder, Kerry can easily be found.

Check it out...

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Beginning by early adult life, grandiosity (fantasized or actual), lack of empathy and need for admiration are present in a variety of situations and shown by at least 5 of:
-A grandiose sense of self-importance (patient exaggerates own abilities and accomplishments)
-Preoccupation with fantasies of beauty, brilliance, ideal love, power or limitless success
-Belief that personal uniqueness renders the patient fit only for association with (or understanding by) people or institutions of rarefied status
-Need for excessive admiration
-A sense of entitlement (patient unreasonably expects favorable treatment or automatic granting of own wishes
-Exploitation of others to achieve personal goals
-Lack of empathy (patient does not recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others)
-Frequent envy of others or belief that others envy patient
-Arrogance or haughtiness in attitude or behavior


He only needs 5 of these to be medicated. However, I'm seeing that this fits most Dems.


22 posted on 08/06/2004 5:24:39 AM PDT by netmilsmom (A penny saved is a government oversight.)
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To: Mr. Thorne; hellinahandcart; NYC GOP Chick; Lil'freeper; big'ol_freeper; cyborg
That question should be asked of Susan Estrogen.

After seeing her "performance" on Hannity and Commie last night, my opinion of her dropped about 60 notches from deluded but pretty nice moderate 'Rat to being on a par with Bob Shrum, Bob Mulholland and James CarVILE.

23 posted on 08/06/2004 5:44:47 AM PDT by sauropod (Hitlary: " We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Hugin
"This contradicts the account of another swiftboat vet I heard today who says Kerry dug up "an obscure regulation" about being sent home after three Purple Hearts himself. Which would explain why he was so determined to get them awarded for self-inflicted splinters and rice wounds in the butt."


Not sure where you see a contradiction.

We are talking about JFKerry who will say whatever is necessary to get what he wants. Now according to this --

"When he got his third purple heart, that evening, and we didn't particularly care what it was for, we knew that he had three. That evening, I and two other people went in and told him that we felt that he should go home. It was something that he could do ... He told us that he didn't want that, it was his intention to serve his country, and the next morning he was gone. And we were happy and didn't worry about it."


There is no way JFKerry wanted it written anywhere that he was being sent home, and this appears to be a private meeting.

JFKerry is know for telling different stories to different people. He is not known for his honesty, and he has perfected his art of denial. We need only to check his words about "voting against additional spending" after he "voted for it".

What kind of a mind has the forethought to "reenactment" fake gun fights in the jungle, when he served on a "boat" and then spend the rest of his life continuously watching these "reenactment" over and over again?????
24 posted on 08/06/2004 5:55:26 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: netmilsmom
He only needs 5 of these to be medicated. However, I'm seeing that this fits most Dems.

Fits John McCain, too. Oops, that's right. He's really a Dem.

25 posted on 08/06/2004 5:58:09 AM PDT by auboy (John Kerry is part of the problem, not part of the solution.)
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To: beyond the sea

I fail to understand why he wasn't relieved of duty and forced to resign his commission. Loose cannon, negative attitude against the war, self serving interests and cowardly conduct = put his sorry ass out. Evil triumphs when good men/women do nothing!! Bush/Cheney 2004


26 posted on 08/06/2004 6:02:09 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

BTTT


27 posted on 08/06/2004 6:17:30 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump!


28 posted on 08/06/2004 6:21:22 AM PDT by The Mayor ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: auboy
Good morning.

Take a Google search this Friday a.m. of American news articles on the John Kerry Swift Boat issue appearing this morning:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&ie=UTF-8&newsclusterurl=http://money.cnn.com/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/05/kerry.veterans/

Sheesh, it's nearly 1/3rd "Sen. McCain..this and that" either in the headlines or in the first few paragraphs. Rather than the seriousness of the charges, the nature of the charges themselves. The lib press is so blatant.

Of course, they cannot allow this to grow legs, because it will indict the press as not having done their job, i.e., in researching this, months and years ago. So defacto, not only wanting to defeat Bush, they need to save their own face in the whole rotten thing, by causing it to "disappear" just as they did with Sandy Berger's crimes and the Kerry Staff Sex Scandal.

29 posted on 08/06/2004 6:26:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Hitlery Recently Seen Throwing Banana Peels in Front of Kerry and Edwards' Residences)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Good evening.

You may be on the other side of the world, but your eyes are wide open and your mind is alert, unlike many here at home.

You are absolutely right. Of course, they cannot allow this to grow legs, because it will indict the press as not having done their job…

30 posted on 08/06/2004 6:37:16 AM PDT by auboy (John Kerry is part of the problem, not part of the solution.)
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To: Hugin

I watched Hannity & Colmes last night. I thought the Colmes side was right because the other swiftboat operators were not on his craft to observe his leadership skills...then I listen to the radio show.
Kerry has problems working with others and follow rules of engagement. He was a loose cannon and the other swiftboat operators were getting nervous with his recklessness out on patrol!
The swiftboats worked in groups. Kerry was not command of the swiftboats. He was a lowly LT(jg) just starting out. It sounds like Kerry didn't listen to instructions given to him by the group leader. His ego got in the way and trying to be another JFK. When Kerry was reprimanded for his rash actions, he gave many excuses why he didn't follow the rules. Kerry thought he was better than everybody else and didn't comprehend his actions were putting the group in danger. That's why they sent Kerry home. That's a character flaw throughout his life.
I rather stick with Bush. I think the man is honest. He will put his country first and not his ego. I trust Bush. I think the troops trust him too. We need real leadership during uncertain times.


31 posted on 08/06/2004 7:09:32 AM PDT by Milligan
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To: Hugin

I remember that too. I think we need to stick with the second story -- it makes more sense and it makes him look like a pathetic cowardly lawyer creep.


32 posted on 08/06/2004 7:11:24 AM PDT by jojodamofo
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To: atomicpossum; JohnHuang2
If LeJean was asked to leave, it can explain his rapid change from gung-ho Navy man to crusading anti-war protestor. It can also explain how he became so eager to malign the war, the servicemen, and the country itself.

That is an excellent point. This whole time I've wondered what turned Kerry into a Commie. This explanation works for me. What a freakin' baby!

33 posted on 08/06/2004 7:43:20 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: atomicpossum

Lucky Pierre has had an axe to grind against the military since he was knee high to a grasshoppper. Either that or a behavioural disorder known as trust-fund-itis where you don't really need to take orders from the hoi poloi, - they are too easy to fool, lie to and otheriwse ignore.


34 posted on 08/06/2004 7:56:25 AM PDT by Podkayne
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I doubt any one event *turned* Kerry.

Everything in this man's life reeks of opportunism and self-serving behavior. If becoming either a born-again Christian or satanic cult member had served his ultimate goals, he would have become either, IMO.

I don't think he is even a communist. He came home and was an aide to an Admiral, a position he used to campaign for Congress. He lost that race, which, IIRC, he ran as a straight-arrow member of the establishment. It was after he lost the race that he hooked up w/VVAG and jumped on the anti-war bandwagon to gain a platform.


35 posted on 08/06/2004 7:59:09 AM PDT by reformedliberal (Proud Bush-Cheney04 volunteer)
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To: JohnHuang2

BTTT


36 posted on 08/06/2004 8:01:06 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: netmilsmom

..."If one looks in the DSM-IV, which is the diagnostic book for Psychological problems, methinks that when one looks up Narcissitic Personality Disorder, Kerry can easily be found."...

Wow you are right. I looked in there and they actually have John Kerry's picture in the book. LOL


37 posted on 08/06/2004 8:30:50 AM PDT by mean lunch lady (Native of Flori-duh, Land of the Hanging Chad.)
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To: reformedliberal
Everything in this man's life reeks of opportunism and self-serving behavior. If becoming either a born-again Christian or satanic cult member had served his ultimate goals, he would have become either, IMO.

It's difficult to deal with people like Kerry, Clinton, and others who are probably either sociopaths or narcissists. It's like trying to catch smoke. I figured that boy Kerry was peeved that he couldn't be "heroic like JFK", so he decided to get his name out in the public by a different route. Your assessment is a valid one, also. He's an onion. Keep peeling away the layers, and there is nothing left.

The one thing we all have to remember is that his selfish, infantile tactics put our military in danger. He caused our POW's to suffer even more, and men were killed because of his actions.

38 posted on 08/06/2004 9:08:57 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: JohnHuang2

The story about "Three Bandaid Kerry" is getting out, even with the liberal media reducing it to the John McCain spin.


39 posted on 08/06/2004 9:11:53 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("FR, best viewed with a budgie on hand")
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To: JohnHuang2

The fact is that Kerry was anti-war before he went to Viet Nam. This fact is supposed to be disclosed in a book Kerry's father wrote. But up to that time it was de rigueur for an aspiring politician to have service time on his resume. Kerry's service was as cynical as Bill Clinton's non-service. His attitude explains how he came into the obscure knowledge of getting a ticket home after acquiring a third Purple Heart. That was not something many people knew about.


40 posted on 08/06/2004 9:43:12 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: JohnHuang2

The Navy has some serious explaining to do.
If this clown was such a *uckup then why in hell did they give him a Bronze Star and a Silver Star? Hellooooooo

Purple Hearts for scratchs on days there was no enemy contact? And Bronze & Silver Stars for doing what all of us who were in combat did every day ??? Hellooo again? Is anybody home????

This whole record of Kerry smells to high heaven!


Semper Fi,
Kelly


41 posted on 08/06/2004 10:08:37 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: kellynla
This whole record of Kerry smells to high heaven!

I agree. In the Army 3 hearts might get you out of the field, but I never saw anyone get a free pass home. Until the rules changed in '67 or '68, in the Army, they gave out Hearts by the crate load, after that you had to actually had to get wounded and recieve medical attention, if I remember correctly.

42 posted on 08/06/2004 11:07:47 AM PDT by Little Bill (John F'n Kerry is a self promoting scumbag!)
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To: JohnHuang2

Anybody who went to Viet Nam with a video recorder and believes he was "born to run" for President scares me.


43 posted on 08/06/2004 11:10:33 AM PDT by austingirl
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To: sauropod

She's always been rabid, but was usually able to conceal it fairly well. Remember, 'pod, she was a top honcho in the Dukakis Debacle, er Campaign.

But the 'rats are getting desperate (just look at how Frenchy was attacking President Bush for not immediately jumping up and leaving the little kids on 9/11) and the cracks are beginning to show.


44 posted on 08/07/2004 12:55:52 AM PDT by NYC GOP Chick (Which FReeper likes to threaten to beat up women?)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I fail to understand why he wasn't relieved of duty and forced to resign his commission. Loose cannon, negative attitude against the war, self serving interests and cowardly conduct = put his sorry ass out.

You know I asked the same thing. The reply I got from someone here was that he was a friend of the Kennedy's. And they couldn't get rid of him like that. Don't really buy it, but that is one school of thought.

45 posted on 08/07/2004 11:17:55 AM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's floats, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: atomicpossum
If LeJean was asked to leave, it can explain his rapid change from gung-ho Navy man to crusading anti-war protestor.

I don't believe that's the case. He tried to avoid service by applying for a student deferral. When that application was denied, he enlisted. I'll try to find the thread that shows he was anti-war before he went in. There have been so many threads on him, it may take a while to find it.

Regarding the circumstances of his transfer stateside:

The officers who suggested his departure may not have shared their views and actions with all of their fellow officers. Another officer, not knowing what they had done, could have easily assumed that kerry's rapid departure was the result of his own initiative. Even if the others had suggested that he leave, he had to apply for the transfer himself. They couldn't do it for him.

46 posted on 08/07/2004 11:39:31 AM PDT by Bob
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To: BSunday
Why would a self-respecting naval office EVER call himself a soldier ????

You're assuming that he was a self-respecting naval officer. I've seen no indication that that is the case.

47 posted on 08/07/2004 11:42:00 AM PDT by Bob
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To: pepperhead
You know I asked the same thing. The reply I got from someone here was that he was a friend of the Kennedy's. And they couldn't get rid of him like that. Don't really buy it, but that is one school of thought.

Googling the words "Kerry", "kennedy", and "yacht" turned up this link as the first hit:

MSNBC Kerry-Kennedy story

He was photographed aboard the Kennedy yacht with JFK in the early 1960's. Political influence, big time.

48 posted on 08/07/2004 11:49:55 AM PDT by Bob
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To: wtc911; faithincowboys
Yep, either Kerry planned the 3x and you're out of there or these guys hipped him to it....it can't be both.

Both can be true. "Don't throw me into that briar patch!"

49 posted on 08/07/2004 11:55:46 AM PDT by AndrewC (I am a Bertrand Russell agnostic, even an atheist.</sarcasm>)
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To: pepperhead

I smelled the Kennedy's in this matter of privileged special treatment. As they say, F-up and then move-up. The Kennedy's have always been a stain on the office of the President like billy blythe. Bush/Cheney 2004


50 posted on 08/07/2004 12:09:54 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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