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If You Believe Life Begins At Conception, How Do You Allow For Abortion?
WORLD Magazine ^ | 8/7/04 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 08/06/2004 6:22:14 AM PDT by dukeman

Hearts of stone

Millions of Americans accept that life begins at conception and still support legalized abortion

John Kerry says that life begins at conception. He says that while he would not dream of imposing his beliefs on anyone else, he remains at heart a good Roman Catholic and agrees with his church’s teachings about when life begins. But he still supports all abortions, even partial-birth abortions.

If he believed that a fetus is just a clump of cells, then support for abortion makes sense. That belief is wrong, based on a perhaps willful ignorance of medical science and common sense, but at least it has a certain logic. If the fetus is not a human being, then abortion is no different than—as I heard someone describe it—removing a wart.

Pro-lifers cast much of their argument against abortion on showing that the fetus is, indeed, a human being, just as much a baby as an infant in arms.

When people realize the humanity of the child in the womb—such as when a pregnant woman feels her baby move, or when a couple sees an ultrasound image of their baby—they often change from being pro-abortion to pro-life. In Britain, a BBC documentary showing ultrasound images of babies in the womb sucking their thumbs, moving around, making faces, and otherwise acting like babies, has created something of a sensation. Parliament will soon consider revising the country’s abortion laws—not prohibiting abortions, but allowing them only in the first few weeks after conception, before such uncomfortably human pictures would be possible.

But in a major paradox of the abortion controversy, pro-lifers may be winning the debate on when life begins, but for an increasing number of people it doesn’t matter. Polls show that nearly half of all Americans agree that life begins at conception. And yet, as many as two-thirds of Americans believe abortion should be legal through the first three months. A large percentage of the public, like Sen. Kerry, believes that a fetus is a living human being, and yet can be aborted anyway. Forty-eight percent go so far as to say they believe that abortion is murder. And yet, many of the same people believe that such murder should be legal!

It is bad enough to believe in abortion under the assumption that a fetus is not a human life. But to believe that a fetus is a human being and still to believe in abortion is monstrous.

Sin hardens the heart. The author of the book of Hebrews urges “that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin” (Hebrews 3:13). The deceit of sin, persisted in and rationalized, makes a person less sensitive, less feeling, less compassionate. Their “consciences are seared” (1 Timothy 4:2).

Amy Richards writes in The New York Times about learning that she was pregnant with triplets. With no outward remorse, she blithely tells how she made the decision to abort two of them. She realized that with three babies, she would have to give up her New York City lifestyle: “I’ll never leave my house because I’ll have to care for these children. I’ll have to start shopping only at Costco and buying big jars of mayonnaise.”

She had wanted to have one baby, but having three would just be too lower class. Never considering adoption, she finds a doctor who can do a procedure called “selective reduction.”

They do a sonogram—so she sees her three children as on British TV—and she chooses which one to keep and which ones, in her words, to “get rid of.” She sees the three beating hearts. She knows exactly what is going to happen to two of them: “The procedure involves a shot of potassium chloride to the heart of the fetus.”

She does it. She feels a lot better. She worries that this might come back and haunt her—might it cause her to miscarry?—but everything is fine. She has the one baby. She says she would do it again, though if she ever has twins she might keep both of them (giving her three babies again). But she doesn’t know.

Perhaps Ms. Richards is not as callous as she seems. Maybe her non-repenting confession was an attempt to come to terms with what she did, under the façade of the currently hip coolness and cynicism, and with the support system of her city’s liberal self-righteousness.

But her only hope—and that of Sen. Kerry and the millions of people whose hearts have become so hard—is in the action of God: “I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh” (Ezekiel 11:19).


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: kerry; kerryabortion
It can be hard to be consistent, but so much depends upon it.
1 posted on 08/06/2004 6:22:14 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

It is really quite simple: choosing to allow your infant to live, or murdering it.


2 posted on 08/06/2004 6:27:05 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: dukeman
If You Believe Life Begins At Conception, How Do You Allow For Abortion?

Why do you place so much emphasis on not killing people?
There a more than enough of them.

So9

3 posted on 08/06/2004 6:27:16 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: dukeman

This is not a problem to reconcile in John Kerry's dream world where it's possible to believe 100 or more apposing view points simultaneously, and the Media gives you a free pass.


4 posted on 08/06/2004 6:27:45 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok ("Its not a problem for the wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezle")
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To: dukeman; rhema
There Veith goes again, trying to bring logic and facts to bear on a culture ruled by emotion, image, and self-absorbed arrogance.

Dan
The Bible and the Bull's-Eye on the Baby

5 posted on 08/06/2004 6:28:01 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: dukeman
If You Believe Life Begins At Conception, How Do You Allow For Abortion?

That's easy....you don't.

6 posted on 08/06/2004 6:28:06 AM PDT by mommybain (Summer has been repealed...by the NC Board of Education)
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To: dukeman
In Britain, a BBC documentary showing ultrasound images of babies in the womb sucking their thumbs, moving around, making faces, and otherwise acting like babies, has created something of a sensation.

Show the pictures, damn it!

7 posted on 08/06/2004 6:29:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: dukeman

maybe he believes in murder


8 posted on 08/06/2004 6:30:37 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: Servant of the 9
Why do you place so much emphasis on not killing people? There a more than enough of them.

Are you a person? Are you one too many?

9 posted on 08/06/2004 6:31:06 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: dukeman

I've been hammering away on this since he made his "life begins at conception" statement. There's no escape hatch from this.


10 posted on 08/06/2004 6:32:36 AM PDT by smonk
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To: dukeman
Well, John Kerry says that it's a living human being at conception -- it's just not a person. So he's perfectly consistent. Hope that clears things up.

< /sarcasm >

11 posted on 08/06/2004 6:32:54 AM PDT by Sloth (John Kerry: Frank Burns with Charles Winchester's pedigree.)
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To: dukeman

Just as someone who carries a gun for self defense can be against the death penalty.

There are situations where, as tragic as it may be, one life must be weighed against another and a terrible choice must be made.

"Supporting abortion" is not necessarily the same thing as supporting abortion on demand, and limiting abortion does not have to mean taking it to Ceaucescu-like extremes of forced monthly pregnancy tests for all fertile women.


12 posted on 08/06/2004 6:33:30 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

sophistry


13 posted on 08/06/2004 6:34:48 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: dukeman

Bottom line: kerry supports abortion, so he can't believe that life starts at conception. Its one of his deceptions in order to have it both ways. Anyone who can't see through this is dense.


14 posted on 08/06/2004 6:35:10 AM PDT by ampat
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To: dukeman

Abortion and gay marriage are both punishments for an even bigger sin. Idolatry.


15 posted on 08/06/2004 6:37:09 AM PDT by biblewonk (WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK...AND I USE IT TOO.)
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To: ampat

Exactly. The correct Orwellian word is "doublethink."

The Democrat Party's entire belief system is founded on doublethink, that is why rational debate and logic have no effect on them.


16 posted on 08/06/2004 6:38:01 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Aquinasfan
Why do you place so much emphasis on not killing people? There a more than enough of them.

Are you a person? Are you one too many?

Sometimes I'm a person, sometimes I'm the person.

I am one too many if you are more ruthless or have a superior immune system.

So9

17 posted on 08/06/2004 6:39:06 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: Servant of the 9
Sometimes I'm a person, sometimes I'm the person.

I am one too many if you are more ruthless or have a superior immune system.

LOL!

On the other hand, I am always The Man.

18 posted on 08/06/2004 6:43:15 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: Servant of the 9
Why do you place so much emphasis on not killing people?

It's called morality, and is the foundation of a civilized society. I believe it was codified by Rabbi Hillel about 2000 years ago: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to another."

Both concepts -- morality and civilized society -- appear to be alien as far as you are concerned.

19 posted on 08/06/2004 6:44:20 AM PDT by Campion
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To: ampat

Kerry aside, under human law since the beginning of time, there has never been a situation where the taking of a human life has been completely proscribed regardless of the circumstances. The commandment is "thou shalt not murder," not "thou shalt not kill."

It is not morally inconsistent to both recognize that a foetus is an individual human life and that in some cases, such as an ectopic pregnancy, that this individual human life must be ended.

This is what puzzles me about the abortion proponents - they don't seem to recognize that every state had a "saving the life of the mother" exemption in their abortion ban.


20 posted on 08/06/2004 6:44:25 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Servant of the 9

I understand you point (i don't agree with it) and while I think it is Vicious, at least it's consistent.


21 posted on 08/06/2004 6:45:26 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok ("Why did we have to have so many kids anyway" George Bailey, It's A Wonderful Life)
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To: mvpel
This is what puzzles me about the abortion proponents - they don't seem to recognize that every state had a "saving the life of the mother" exemption in their abortion ban.

But that wasn't enough. They wanted a "saving the health of the mother" exemption. That way, virtually any inconvenience, however trivial, could be construed as detrimental to the mother's mental health.

That would make abortion on demand, for whatever reason whatsoever, the law. Anything short of that and the abortion Nazis would fight it with maniacal frenzy.

22 posted on 08/06/2004 6:49:42 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: dukeman

Here i the real point. Kerry says he believes life begins at conception. He also believes abortion is OK. Kerry believes nuder is OK if someone else's life is inconvenient to another's. That is unacceptable


23 posted on 08/06/2004 6:51:10 AM PDT by Conservative_boy_in_Bangkok ("Why did we have to have so many kids anyway" George Bailey, It's A Wonderful Life)
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To: dukeman

If some moderator in the Presidential debates does not frame this question to Kerry (IF LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION, as you stated, THEN HOW DO YOU SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS), then we will have seen Media Bias at it's worse.

It needs to be asked by someone. I know he'll slither out of the question but that's okay, the flip-flop-flim-flam political contortionist will be exposed once again.


24 posted on 08/06/2004 6:56:36 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: dukeman

What a war these tiny babies are in.......God keep them in his tender loving care.


25 posted on 08/06/2004 7:01:55 AM PDT by sweetiepiezer (GWB all the way!!!!!!!!!)
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To: sweetiepiezer

He knows each one of them, sweetiepiezer. Each one....


27 posted on 08/06/2004 7:18:06 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: BibChr
When people realize the humanity of the child in the womb—such as when a pregnant woman feels her baby move, or when a couple sees an ultrasound image of their baby—they often change from being pro-abortion to pro-life. In Britain, a BBC documentary showing ultrasound images of babies in the womb sucking their thumbs, moving around, making faces, and otherwise acting like babies, has created something of a sensation. Parliament will soon consider revising the country’s abortion laws—not prohibiting abortions, but allowing them only in the first few weeks after conception, before such uncomfortably human pictures would be possible.

This is one instance in which the enlightened, sophisticated, "evolving" pro-aborts would have us all be Luddites.

28 posted on 08/06/2004 7:24:38 AM PDT by rhema
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To: mvpel

This is what puzzles me about the abortion proponents - they don't seem to recognize that every state had a "saving the life of the mother" exemption in their abortion ban.
>>>

The problem is of course that the Black Robed Gods think that that phrase means there is a "saving the SOCIAL life of the mother" exemption in their abortion ban.


29 posted on 08/06/2004 7:43:47 AM PDT by Shaddap IV
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To: Servant of the 9
I am one too many if you are more ruthless or have a superior immune system.

Satan couldn't say it better.

30 posted on 08/06/2004 7:44:43 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
I am one too many if you are more ruthless or have a superior immune system.

Satan couldn't say it better.

Why, thank you.

So9

31 posted on 08/06/2004 7:50:08 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Servant of the 9
So9

What does the "9" stand for?

32 posted on 08/06/2004 8:19:00 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
So9

What does the "9" stand for?

Nine.

So9

33 posted on 08/06/2004 9:37:52 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: Servant of the 9

You're the Servant of number 9? What does that mean?


34 posted on 08/06/2004 10:25:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.


35 posted on 08/06/2004 10:29:19 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Servant of the 9
I was wondering if it had any occult significance, considering So9's posts. I found this:
Satanists and the Number Nine

Satanists take delight in the number nine for a couple of reasons. First, Satanists enjoy reversing, mirroring and inverting symbols, letters and numbers. When you turn the number "9" upside down you get "6" which makes up the number of the Beast (666) as revealed in Revelation 13:18 in the Bible. Second, Satanists take perverse pleasure in commemorating the death of Christ and the death of Christ is associated with the number nine. Mark 15: 34-37 reveals that Christ spoke his last words on the Cross of Calvary at the ninth hour and "gave up the ghost (died)."

I have a feeling about this guy, based on his previous posts.
36 posted on 08/06/2004 10:43:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
If you are very very lucky, you are completely wrong.

So9

37 posted on 08/06/2004 10:46:13 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Right idea, wrong novel.

So9

38 posted on 08/06/2004 10:47:26 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: Servant of the 9

Why not just answer the question? Are you ashamed of it?


39 posted on 08/06/2004 10:48:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: dukeman

John Kerry is trying to be all things to all people. In the process if you listen to him on a consistent level. He makes no sense, and he is not trustworthy.


40 posted on 08/06/2004 10:49:08 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: ArrogantBustard
Why not just answer the question? Are you ashamed of it?

Not at all, but I am enjoying your confusion.

So9

41 posted on 08/06/2004 10:50:19 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Ebola is our friend.)
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To: Servant of the 9
God help you.

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle,
be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil;
may God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
and do thou O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the divine power,
thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.


42 posted on 08/06/2004 10:51:34 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Skooz; Servant of the 9
LOL! On the other hand, I am always The Man.

It looks like your buddy is a satanist. See the rest of the posts on this thread.

43 posted on 08/06/2004 10:55:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Servant of the 9
Confusion?

You flatter yourself. I find your refusal to answer almost as interesting as any actual answer would be.

OBTW, do you still want to kill half (or more) of the current world population?

44 posted on 08/06/2004 10:56:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Aquinasfan

You got that right.


45 posted on 08/06/2004 10:57:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Confusion?

You flatter yourself. I find your refusal to answer almost as interesting as any actual answer would be.

That wasn't addressed to you. I answered you at #38

OBTW, do you still want to kill half (or more) of the current world population?

I don't want to kill them, I just want them dead.

So9

46 posted on 08/06/2004 10:59:00 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Aquinasfan

LOL!

Not my buddy.

Satanists (or at least the ones I have had contact with) are all pathetic losers who paint their nails black, live in their mom's basement, spew a lot of venom, and delight in making cryptic threats to those who disagree with them.

Oh, they also have a smug air of superiority about them.


47 posted on 08/06/2004 11:01:38 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You got that right.

Include him in your prayers. I'm including him in mine. And I hope that anyone else who is reading this thread does too.

"Some can only be driven out with prayer and fasting."

48 posted on 08/06/2004 11:02:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Again, spot on.


49 posted on 08/06/2004 11:07:04 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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