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Ireland Is Lost Island of Atlantis, Says Scientist
REUTERS ^ | 8/6/2004 | Kevin Smith

Posted on 08/06/2004 12:41:50 PM PDT by Red Badger

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Atlantis, the legendary island nation over whose existence controversy has raged for thousands of years, was actually Ireland, according to a new theory by a Swedish scientist.

Atlantis, the Greek philosopher Plato wrote in 360 BC, was an island in the Atlantic Ocean where an advanced civilization developed some 11,500 years ago until it was hit by a cataclysmic natural disaster and sank beneath the waves.

Geographer Ulf Erlingsson, whose book explaining his theory will be published next month, says the measurements, geography, and landscape of Atlantis as described by Plato match Ireland almost exactly.

"I am amazed no one has come up with this before, it's incredible," he told Reuters.

"Just like Atlantis, Ireland is 300 miles long, 200 miles wide, and widest across the middle. They both have a central plain surrounded by mountains.

"I've looked at geographical data from the rest of the world and of the 50 largest islands there is only one that has a plain in the middle -- Ireland."

Erlingsson believes the idea that Atlantis sank came from the fate of Dogger Bank, an isolated shoal in the North Sea, about 60 miles off the northeastern coast of England, which sank after being hit by a huge floodwave around 6,100 BC.

"I suspect that myth came from Ireland and it derives from Dogger Bank. I think the memory of Dogger Bank was probably preserved in Ireland for around 3,000 years and became mixed up with the story of Atlantis," he said.

Erlingsson links the boundaries of the Atlantic Empire, as outlined by Plato, with the geographic distribution of megalithic monuments in Europe and Northern Africa, matching Atlantis' temples with well-known burial sites at Newgrange and Knowth, north of Dublin, which pre-date the pyramids.

His book, "Atlantis from a Geographer's Perspective: Mapping the Fairy Land," calculates the probability Plato would have had access to geographical data about Ireland as 99.98 percent.

Previous theories about Atlantis have suggested it may have been around the Azores islands 900 miles west of the Portuguese coast, or in the Aegean sea. Others locate it solely in the long-decayed brain of Plato.


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1 posted on 08/06/2004 12:41:51 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Thinkin' Gal
They're just trying to throw us off the Antarctic trail.
 
;^)

2 posted on 08/06/2004 12:44:44 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Red Badger

As an Irish physics professor always said to my class after he vomited calculus all over the chalkboard: "It's right there in fronna ya'! I doan know why ya' canna see it!"


3 posted on 08/06/2004 12:44:55 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Red Badger; blam
I'd say that I'm 99% certain that Atlantis, if one existed, was the island of Thera where a rich and advanced Minoan trading hub was blasted to bits by a volcano that not only left a big hole where their city once was but probably led to the end of the Minoan civilization. It fits a whole lot better than any of the other suggestions that I've seen.
4 posted on 08/06/2004 12:48:34 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

Bah! Humbug! Everyone with two brain cells to rub together knows it was near Bimini! Or was that Bikini? Or maybe Baloney?


5 posted on 08/06/2004 12:50:56 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: All

Ireland is lost island of Atlantis




Yeah, and I'm the freakin' tooth fairy


6 posted on 08/06/2004 12:52:12 PM PDT by cwiz24
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To: Red Badger
But Atlantis, you see, sank. Ireland is still there.

7 posted on 08/06/2004 12:52:31 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Red Badger

Fascinating.


8 posted on 08/06/2004 12:52:41 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Question_Assumptions
Thera
9 posted on 08/06/2004 12:53:01 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Red Badger; All

Wrong! Atlantis is in the Pegasus galaxy now...


10 posted on 08/06/2004 12:53:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Question_Assumptions

If Atlantis was in Ireland, then did it sink into an ocean of whiskey?......


11 posted on 08/06/2004 12:54:06 PM PDT by Red Badger (The FOURTH ESTATE is the FIFTH COLUMN!.....)
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To: blam

Ping


12 posted on 08/06/2004 12:56:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Red Badger
Dirk Pitt's already beat 'em!


13 posted on 08/06/2004 12:57:31 PM PDT by TheBigB (I'm more frustrated than a legless Ethiopian watching a doughnut roll down a hill.)
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To: Red Badger
Let me see if I understand: Ireland is Atlantis, and the idea that Atlantis sank, comes from Dogger Bank, which is a shoal, northeast of England, which sank 6000 years ago.

Wouldn't that make Dogger Bank Atlantis?

14 posted on 08/06/2004 12:59:51 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column)
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To: Red Badger
Atlantis was actually Ireland

Cool!

I'm part Atlantian!

15 posted on 08/06/2004 1:02:05 PM PDT by MamaTexan (Our government is NOT a 'democracy')
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To: MamaTexan

My ancestry is Irish. Can get some reparations out of this?


16 posted on 08/06/2004 1:06:40 PM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: Red Badger
Give me another Stout & Mild will ya Erin.

Now what's ... hic ... that about your finding Atlantis? ... hic ...

17 posted on 08/06/2004 1:10:06 PM PDT by G.Mason (A war mongering, red white and blue, military industrial complex, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Santorini Today

Atlantis (I don't advocate the material on this site -- but it's a pretty picture based on the Classical sources...)

Pre-Eruption Thera

18 posted on 08/06/2004 1:11:18 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Red Badger
"Atlantis, the Greek philosopher Plato wrote in 360 BC, was an island in the Atlantic Ocean"

Plato never said that it was in the Atlantic, he said that it was "before the Pillars of Hercules" that people assume means beyond the Strait of Gibraltar. However, others think that the Pillars of Hercules refers to another location, possibly closer to Greece.

"Just like Atlantis, Ireland is 300 miles long, 200 miles wide, and widest across the middle. They both have a central plain surrounded by mountains."

Problem is that Ireland would have been larger that Atlantis at the time Atlantis was around. It is the same size now due to erosion of the coastline.

19 posted on 08/06/2004 1:20:11 PM PDT by looscnnn ("Live free or die; death is not the worst of evils" Gen. John Stark 1809)
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To: frankenMonkey
My ancestry is Irish. Can get some reparations out of this?

No. On the other hand, you'll never again qualify for flood insurance!

20 posted on 08/06/2004 1:21:35 PM PDT by Tallguy (If Clinton did a good job stopping the Millenium Bomber, I've got 2 Towers in NYC to sell you...)
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To: Red Badger
If Ireland is Atlantis, does that make Fat Ted the lost price of Atlantis?

Just a lost Oldsmobile, not a lost continent.

21 posted on 08/06/2004 1:22:20 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Sandy, is that a top secret document in your pants or are you just happy to see me?)
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To: Red Badger

Good grief. Everyone knows its in the Pegasus Galaxy.


22 posted on 08/06/2004 1:23:38 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

23 posted on 08/06/2004 1:27:43 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: Red Badger

24 posted on 08/06/2004 1:31:00 PM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: AnnaZ

25 posted on 08/06/2004 1:36:29 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Happygal

O'Ping!


26 posted on 08/06/2004 1:38:04 PM PDT by JennysCool (The Clinton Legacy: Sandy Berger's Pants)
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To: JennysCool; Colosis; Incorrigible; dighton; aculeus; Irish_Thatcherite

Well Patrick Duffy WAS the 'Man from Atlantis'. With a name like that, sur' he had to be Oirish! ;-)


27 posted on 08/06/2004 2:13:49 PM PDT by Happygal ('No one works harder for his money than the man who marries it.')
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To: Red Badger
and sank beneath the waves.

It's going to hurt tourism when folks find out Ireland is actually under water.

28 posted on 08/06/2004 2:54:29 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Question_Assumptions

Thera is not old enough...besides, if it were Thera we'd know a lot more about it than we do.


29 posted on 08/06/2004 3:08:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv
Hmmmm

Stone Age Site Found Under North Sea (8,000BC)

30 posted on 08/06/2004 3:20:17 PM PDT by blam
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To: Happygal; JennysCool; Colosis; Incorrigible; dighton; Irish_Thatcherite
the probability Plato would have had access to geographical data about Ireland as 99.98 percent.

Dontcha just love that he carries the probability out to two numbers following the decimal? Heaven forfend it was 99.62 or 99.22.

31 posted on 08/06/2004 3:21:37 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: blam
Thera is not old enough...besides, if it were Thera we'd know a lot more about it than we do.

I think Thera is plenty old enough and given the massive destruction of the Minoan civilization that followed, I'd expect a lot of information to get lost. There is plenty about the Bronze Age that we don't know. Of course it's also entirely possible that Atlantis is simply fiction or refers to some other civilization, but I think Thera is closer than anything else that I've personally seen. Your milage may vary.

32 posted on 08/06/2004 3:30:30 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Red Badger

Nope--the stories of Atlantis came out of a paganized account of the Flood.


33 posted on 08/06/2004 3:32:46 PM PDT by WalterSkinner
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To: aculeus
Glad I wasn't there when it sank!

I'm off to a session now - time to get that sinking feelin' (Boom Boom)

34 posted on 08/06/2004 3:37:55 PM PDT by Colosis (Damn, I'm tired!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
I'd say that I'm 99% certain that Atlantis, if one existed, was the island of Thera

That was what the Doctor said in the Dr Who story "The Time Monster"

A claim given reserach credence as the makers of the program made as creditable an attempt to portray Minonian female formal costume as the constraints of 70s BBC Childrens Programming would allow. (basically 2-3" of material added to the ..er, neckline)

35 posted on 08/06/2004 4:46:47 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Despise not the jester. Often he is the only one speaking the truth")
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To: Red Badger

They say what? Funny though we have Tir na Og (not to be confused with TG4), the land of eternel youth,seriously though, I just saw this post I'm going to read it now to find out the facts


36 posted on 08/06/2004 5:36:19 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: Red Badger; Happygal; Colosis; Cillmantain; aculeus; Incorrigible; Murtyo
Red Badger, I have read it now.

I always thought it was the (I think), the Minonan's (spelt something to that effect), that civilisation on the Mediterranion that was destroyed by volcancic eruptions, that Plato reffered to when he described Alantis, but then again aliens, apparently, built the pyramids, According to some.

37 posted on 08/06/2004 5:53:59 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: Red Badger; Happygal; Colosis; Cillmantain; aculeus; Incorrigible; Murtyo

Of course, two civilisations have collasped before the Western World, maybe it is Ireland, after all, we were the the only entire country to stay strong (the Golden Age), when Rome fell, and Europe fell into a dark age- will Ireland stay strong second time- I don't think so, if we don't wake up the entire Western World is going to go belly up!!!


38 posted on 08/06/2004 6:04:41 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Well that's definitely, NOT Ireland.
39 posted on 08/06/2004 6:09:21 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: KarlInOhio
If Ireland is Atlantis, does that make Fat Ted the lost prince of Atlantis?

I sure the hell hope not- we had Mary Robinson already!!!

40 posted on 08/06/2004 6:14:27 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: MrsEmmaPeel

Diana Rigg, love your screen name, though, is Ireland in the Pegasus galaxy- I always thought we lived in the Andromeda Galaxy.


41 posted on 08/06/2004 6:22:54 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (We don't need no regulation/ We don't need no state control.. Oi! Government! Leave the People alone)
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To: KevinDavis

hehe, SG fan :) we should make a ping list (or is there one?)


42 posted on 08/06/2004 9:24:38 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

you forgot the Scots (Picts) and Mongols...


43 posted on 08/06/2004 9:25:45 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: aculeus; Happygal; JennysCool; Colosis; Incorrigible; dighton; Irish_Thatcherite

if you wanna get technical.... America was known long before most people think as well. the Asian's certainly had the ability to travel there. the Vikings later as well... the Egyptians traded with both the Northmen and the Asians.... who's to say Egypt didnt get the info from them and landed Atlantis 500 miles south of Hawaii? or off the coast of Maine?


44 posted on 08/06/2004 9:29:32 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

check out the studies on kites and pyramids.


45 posted on 08/06/2004 9:30:26 PM PDT by MacDorcha
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46 posted on 08/06/2004 9:31:00 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: MacDorcha
Of course, to quote the Silmarillion:

"But these things come not into the tale of the Drowning of Númenor, of which now all is told. And even the name of that land perished, and Men spoke thereafter not of Elenna, nor of Andor the Gift that was taken away, nor of Númenórë on the confines of the world; but the exiles on the shores of the sea, if they turned towards the West in the desire of their hearts, spoke of Mar-nu-Falmar that was whelmed in the waves, Akallabêth the Downfallen, Atalantë in the Eldarin tongue"

47 posted on 08/06/2004 9:55:46 PM PDT by Obi-Wandreas (Dedicated to the shameless pursuit of silliness)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
I always thought we lived in the Andromeda Galaxy

Nope. We're in the "Milky Way." Andromeda is a neighbor.

48 posted on 08/07/2004 5:08:55 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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