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Illinois Voters Say No Thanks To Keyes
CBS 2 Chicago ^ | August 6, 2004 | Mike Flannery

Posted on 08/06/2004 6:33:18 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John

CHICAGO (CBS 2) Alan Keyes is expected to formally enter the race for U.S. Senate this Sunday, but an exclusive CBS 2 poll shows most Illinoisans think it’s inappropriate for Keyes to run in Illinois. Many have an unfavorable view of the Maryland resident.

Our exclusive CBS 2/Newsradio 780 poll suggests that Keyes has a lot of hard work ahead in the senate contest.

Some Republican leaders are preparing to welcome Alan Keyes to Illinois this Sunday with a rally in northwest suburban Arlington Heights. Others are speaking out about the drawbacks of a candidate who's never lived in the Prairie State, no matter how good a debater he may be.

“Mr. Keyes, while he'll raise the level of debate, there's no doubt he'll be able to stand on the stage with Mr. Obama, it's not certain that he'll know where the stage is,” said Greg Baise, president of the Illinois Manufacturers Association.

It is not just Greg Baise and his powerful Illinois Manufacturers Association. When we asked 500 adults about a non-resident such as Keyes running to represent Illinois in the Senate, 25 percent said it was appropriate; 75 percent inappropriate.

Asked their view of Alan Keyes specifically, 18 percent said it was favorable; 33 percent said it was unfavorable; with 49 percent having no impression.

With Democratic Senate nominee Barack Obama still basking in the glow of the national attention he received at the Boston convention, 48 percent of Illinois adults said they had a favorable view of him, with 22 percent unfavorable and 29 percent reporting no impression either way.

Referring to our findings, a Keyes spokesman said, "It doesn't surprise us at all. Obama's been unopposed for six weeks now. Let's give (Keyes) a chance to talk to the voters of Illinois before taking another poll."

There are two other candidates also running for U.S. Senate in Illinois. Jerry Kohn is with the Libertarian Party. Albert Franzen is running as an independent candidate.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; barackobama; carpetbagger; gregbaise; keyes; obama; theydontwantkeyes; veryhighnegatives
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Well, it'll be an uphill fight for our side.
1 posted on 08/06/2004 6:33:19 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Go Alan Go!


2 posted on 08/06/2004 6:34:52 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Jerry Kohn is with the Libertarian Party.

How many voters will confuse this man for the Frenchurian Candidate?

3 posted on 08/06/2004 6:35:41 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I served in Viet Nam, and we have better hair"----John F'n Kerry campaign platform)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

the way to win this (or have a chance):

Keyes doesn't run against Obama, he runs a national campaign against the Democrats. The same way Kerry beat Weld for Seante in Mass - he started running against Newt Gingrich, and he won.


4 posted on 08/06/2004 6:36:28 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
"Let's give (Keyes) a chance to talk to the voters of Illinois before taking another poll."

What he said.

5 posted on 08/06/2004 6:39:26 PM PDT by Ed_in_NJ
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Only 33 percent unfavorable. That's not bad after the hatchet job the Chicago Tribune and other dim media outlets have been doing on Keyes. Granted, his candidacy is a Hail Mary pass, but sometimes Hail Mary passes connect. In any case, Obama doesn't get a free ride to his coronation.
6 posted on 08/06/2004 6:39:37 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I think Keyes can take him in a debate, although Obama is smooth. It will be linguistic duel.


7 posted on 08/06/2004 6:40:03 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

evidently IL doesnt have anyone to run, so they have to import a guy. I dislike carpetbaggers as much as the next guy but hey, i am from MA and our gov. Mitt is a carpetbagger and he is doing a pretty good job.

though it brings up a valid point, what if Illinois goes to war with maryland! what side will alan choose?!?!?


8 posted on 08/06/2004 6:41:14 PM PDT by barryallen
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Illinois Voters Say No Thanks To Keyes

Gee - the voting is already over?

That was fast.

9 posted on 08/06/2004 6:41:46 PM PDT by TomServo ("Meanwhile, the Midvale police visit his locker and find out why they call him 'Buzz'...")
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

What's the margin of error for an unbiased sample of 500? 6%? 10%? Anyone want to do the math?


10 posted on 08/06/2004 6:44:55 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: outlawcam

On top of that, anyone want to speculate as to whether or not the sample is biased?


11 posted on 08/06/2004 6:45:30 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: TomServo

in the future voting will be done by randomly calling 500 people on the phone. no more having to go all the way to the ballot box!


12 posted on 08/06/2004 6:48:48 PM PDT by barryallen
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To: Malesherbes
Granted, his candidacy is a Hail Mary pass, but sometimes Hail Mary passes connect. In any case,
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And they get a big dose of Alan Keyes no matter what, the Democrats aren't happy that Illinois will have this blast of fresh air blasting through.

Keyes has got to be Obama's last choice of opponents.
13 posted on 08/06/2004 6:51:42 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Wow. Here's another thing. The question they asked was whether or not they thought it was appropriate, not who the people would vote for. There are plenty of posters just here on FR who think the selection is "inappropriate" (mainly because of the Illinois GOP's ineptitude at fielding a local candidate), but would vote for Keyes, anyway.

Just one more reason to hate polls.

14 posted on 08/06/2004 6:52:49 PM PDT by outlawcam (No time to waste. Now get moving.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Funny, there was not a single story in the LiberalNazi mainstream media complaining about that evil carepetbagger Hillary Clinton, riding into town to seize the New York Senatorial seat because her nationwide research polls told her that we New Yorkers were the most moronic voters in the USA.


15 posted on 08/06/2004 6:54:57 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Free Republic is 21st Century Samizdat)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Some Republican leaders are preparing to welcome Alan Keyes to Illinois this Sunday with a rally in northwest suburban Arlington Heights. Others are speaking out about the drawbacks of a candidate who's never lived in the Prairie State, no matter how good a debater he may be.

Go, Alan, Go!

After all if an Arkansas resident can fly into NY on a broom and become Senator, don't discount your chances in Illinois.

16 posted on 08/06/2004 6:57:10 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: NautiNurse
How many voters will confuse this man for the Frenchurian Candidate?(Jerry Kohn)

He might just win. With enough disgruntled Republicans voting for him, in addition to plenty of democrats who are too stupid to know the difference between Jerry Kohn and John Kerry.

17 posted on 08/06/2004 6:58:35 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Jimmy Breslin has already written a book about the 2004 Republican Party:

The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight

18 posted on 08/06/2004 6:59:31 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: EGPWS
Prairie State, no matter how good a debater he may be

Prairie state my ass, this is the land of lincoln.

To all the blanking Moriarty types in the rino party of illinois, you wanted ryan three times and you wonder why your rank and file went to osama obama.

The only difference between the NE rino and the illinois rino's the NE rinos have integrity.

19 posted on 08/06/2004 7:03:45 PM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
When we asked 500 adults

Not likely voters or even registered voters. Okay to stew it down, 500 adults means about 320 registered voters and about 260 likely voters. If he got a 25% favorable rating, that isn't too bad.

20 posted on 08/06/2004 7:04:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

A question.... if you know.

Does Illinois register voters by Party? If so what is the percentages for each, D, R, I, etc. If not do you know how the state has broken out percentage wise in statewide races such as Senator, Gov. by Party affiliation when voting. I'm assuming the democrats lead but don't know for sure.


Thanks for any info you can share.


21 posted on 08/06/2004 7:05:38 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: NautiNurse

I did and it confused me until I read it about four times.


22 posted on 08/06/2004 7:06:02 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I did and it confused me until I read it about four times.

LOL--I blinked a couple of times and rubbed my eyes. Thought my eyes were crossed.

23 posted on 08/06/2004 7:10:13 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I served in Viet Nam, and we have better hair"----John F'n Kerry campaign platform)
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To: dts32041
The only difference between the NE rino and the illinois rino's the NE rinos have integrity.

Rino=integrity is an oxymoron my friend. ; )

24 posted on 08/06/2004 7:11:42 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
It would have been an uphill fight anyway. And you know the liberal media in Illinois will be pounding the "carpet-bagger" drum in a way that was suspiciously absent with Queen Smellery in NY.

The least you Republicans in IL can do is not carry their water for them....
25 posted on 08/06/2004 7:11:55 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Geez....if Hildabeast can do it, so can Keys!


26 posted on 08/06/2004 7:13:22 PM PDT by Arpege92 (Moore is so fat that when he hauls a$$ it takes two trips - tractorman!)
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To: FormerACLUmember

Right on target and I think Alan will demolish Obama in their debates.


27 posted on 08/06/2004 7:20:25 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
This is not about winning the race against Obama. That will not happen.

This is about putting someone on the ticket running to strengthen the rest of the ballot.

Also it will stop the dims from having a pass straight to the Senate. In other words spending money that could go elswhere.

The GOP knows the battle is lost but not to show up would be perceived as weakness and that dirty tricks pay off.

28 posted on 08/06/2004 7:20:55 PM PDT by Popman
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
I think Alan will demolish Obama in their debates.

Alan Keyes would demolish most everyone in a debate. If I was Obama, which is ludicrous in itself is ludicrous, I would certainly be pooping my pants at the thought of going up against Keyes.

29 posted on 08/06/2004 7:22:33 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Sounds like the pollsters are a bunch of racists against Dr Keyes.


30 posted on 08/06/2004 7:23:02 PM PDT by xrp
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To: Popman
The GOP knows the battle is lost but not to show up would be perceived as weakness and that dirty tricks pay off.

Good analysis. However, I think that Alan Keyes has more than a decent chance of winning, if he really campaigns hard for the seat, and if he gets an endorsement visit by President Bush.

31 posted on 08/06/2004 7:24:27 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: xrp
Sounds like the pollsters are a bunch of racists against Dr Keyes.

Obama is also black... (Well, 1/2 black, though it makes no difference to me.)

32 posted on 08/06/2004 7:25:40 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Dan Rather's network says the Republican doesn't stand a chance.

What a surprise.

33 posted on 08/06/2004 7:29:17 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: NautiNurse

Is Jerry related to Forbes Kohn?


35 posted on 08/06/2004 7:31:17 PM PDT by gunnedah
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To: NautiNurse
How many voters will confuse this man for the Frenchurian Candidate?


36 posted on 08/06/2004 7:31:26 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Did I mention I'm peddling a book?)
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To: SunStar
Keyes has no chance of winning this race.

I personally would have voted for him last election for President. I did vote for him in the primary.

This is also about putting a black man who is an outstanding conservative moral voice in front of millions of people during the debates to take the shine off the dims new star.

Dr. Keyes will make Obama wish he was back in Kenya herding goats with his father after the debates.

37 posted on 08/06/2004 7:33:47 PM PDT by Popman
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To: deport
Does Illinois register voters by Party? If so what is the percentages for each, D, R, I, etc. If not do you know how the state has broken out percentage wise in statewide races such as Senator, Gov. by Party affiliation when voting. I'm assuming the democrats lead but don't know for sure.

Not sure how the split is (anyone else?) Dems surely greatly outnumber registered Republicans. On primary day, a voters has do declare, or more precisely, choose a ballot. Dem or Republican, plus I guess Libertarian. You can decide that day (of the primary) what ballot you want. Voters cannot declare themselves "independent" and expect a ballot. Again, that's for primaries.

We don't have election day registration.

I'd be shocked if there were more than 50,000 Republican-registered voters in Chicago. There are a few Republican-leaning areas (Far Northwest-side, Lincoln Park), but when I lived in the city I was a registered Democrat. You never know when you need a "favor."

Just because of the Chicago situation, Dems, IMO, lead GOP registered voters 60-40 at least! Probably more.

38 posted on 08/06/2004 7:36:08 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
There are two other candidates also running for U.S. Senate in Illinois. Jerry Kohn is with the Libertarian Party. Albert Franzen is running as an independent candidate

No "Right-to-Life" candidate?

On second thought Keyes is "right-to-life."

39 posted on 08/06/2004 7:36:40 PM PDT by syriacus (Daschle on National Missile Defense debate -- "THIS ISN'T ROCKET SCIENCE." June 8, 2001)
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To: finnman69

Keyes beat Dershowitz and that was a debate of ideas and facts.

Obama is a lightweight when it coems to that.


41 posted on 08/06/2004 7:38:32 PM PDT by eleni121 (Thank God fo John Ashcroft: Four more years!)
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To: Mike Bates

A picture of the new, "Three Stooges." Terayshu looks like a horror movie poster-child. Edwards looks like a fag who just took a hit from a crack pipe. Scarykerry is a definite, Goober look-a-like from the Andy Griffin show.


42 posted on 08/06/2004 7:47:45 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

As I stated on another thread on this subject:

"All Free Republic lovers of liberty should be thrilled when an articulate person steeped in an understanding of America's Constitutional republic and the philosophy expressed in the Declaration of Independence gets a chance to be heard by hundreds of thousands of people.

"Let's not quibble about the win/lose question right now. Hadn't the election already been virtually conceded to Obama when Ryan dropped out? If so, let's just be glad that a controversial, outspoken advocate for liberty has a chance to be heard. Who knows, some future young leader may be influenced by the reasoned arguments Keyes will use to rebut the Liberal Left politics of the Democrats.

"Every voice for the Founders' philosophy is needed right now. Keyes, by education and by talent and devotion to the Constitution, needs to be heard. Let him have the pulpit! Give him the vote. Fresh air and sunshine are needed--and the young rising star of the Liberal Left may learn some new debating skills, and a thing or two about America's founding philosophy too."

Alan Keyes is a 21st Century man who holds deeply to the philosophy of Washington, the Adamses, Madison, Jefferson, and all the other geniuses who made the 'miracle of America' come into being. Not only does his Harvard education in constitutional government qualify him for expounding on that philosophy, but he has a Creator-endowed intellect and ability to articulate principles that few others possess. More power to the Illinois GOP for its courage in putting him opposite Obama in the debate arena!!


44 posted on 08/06/2004 7:51:06 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Thanks for your input. I had looked a little but hadn't spent time looking for the data.


45 posted on 08/06/2004 7:54:56 PM PDT by deport (Please Flush the Johns......)
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To: GetZarqawiNow
you mean pro choice obe, who came to pro life beliefs when he was running in the primaries.

If your name was ryan in the past twenty years you could be in the pubbie party, in illinois.

Keyes is like Patrick Fitzgerald (the us attorney that is going after illinois politicos), you need an outsider to shake up the illinois political establishment.

If the ploitician is from illinois he has larceny in his heart, whether the name is ryan, daley, durbin, madigian, or osama obama.

46 posted on 08/06/2004 7:56:32 PM PDT by dts32041 (Why has John "Fning" Kerry accused me of being a War Criminal? Viet Nam APR 70- NOV 71)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I like Keyes for the most part, but am I the only one who thinks he uses more words to express himself than he needs?


48 posted on 08/06/2004 7:59:28 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Leftists don't acknowledge that Reagan won the cold war because they rooted for the other side.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Sadly, Illinois will not be electing a Republican to a statewide office anytime soon. Boss Daley will see that enough votes are pulled from Chicago's "special districts" to make sure the Rat wins.
50 posted on 08/06/2004 8:01:27 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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