Skip to comments.V A N I T Y -- The reason those vets are behind sKerry
Posted on 08/06/2004 8:13:10 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
I have been puzzled about the lack of conversation about the appearance of such opposing views between sKerry's crewmen, and the Swiftvets. It just stands to reason that one of the groups is just flat wrong (I didn't say lied). It intrigued me that so many, who are against sKerry, could be ofset by so few that support him. It is almost as if the media thinks that the public would buy off on a conspiracy of such a grand scale.
I got curious about the motivation of the supporters. While many have postulated about $$$ or some plum position in a sKerry adminitration, those just didn't seem to ring my bell.
I had to ask, what could it be that these men are willing to face up to such an onslaught. If the Swifties case is proven, they (the supporters) will be derided and embarrassed. So I felt that there had to be a more underlying reason.
I think I may have inadvertantly stumbled accross the reason.
While skimming posts on FR yesterday, I came across a link to a web page that was a blog or forum. The link was to a post on the blog (or forum) from someone whose screen namr was "River Rat". Now this was NOT of FR, it was a site that was linked from a thread on FR. This post (on the other board) stated that sKerry's crew got more decorations (I recall 2 other Bronze Stars) than any other boat. This poster said that these were given to the crew (reflected glory from sKerry's Silver Star).
So, if the reason for sKerry's comendation is bogus, then so was theirs!!! Since the Bronze is kinda important to aging warriors, I can see a scenario where some sKerry operative goes to these guys and says something to the effect "If Johnny goes down, you go down too!".
Now I may be off base here, but, if I have had bragging rights to something as prestigious as the Bronze Star, and it appears that I am about to be called a phony, you bet I would try, desparately, to preserve my "legacy" (sound familiar???). That being said, maybe one of the undercover pundits that monitor FR (you listening Hugh???? What about you Sean???) should focus on the "other" awards given in conjunction to the sKerry medals and see where that goes.
I wish I had bookmarked that damn link, but, I am certain that the more talented FREEPERS will find it. I think that it could be interesting.
Actually, I've wondered for a while about a slightly different scenario...
As we know Kerry has claimed that he and most soldiers/sailors in Vietnam committed atrocities.
Well, one of the most powerful tricks your mind does to protect itself from a reality you don't want to deal with is projection. So perhaps, unlike the vast majority of our military, Kerry *did* commit war crimes as he has claimed. Kerry can't deal with what he does so he starts claiming all vets have done the same sort of things. Perhaps he and those on stage with him committed these crimes together.
It gives a powerful reason for why Kerry betrayed his comrades when he came back calling them rampaging mongols and why a small group continues to defend him.
Interesting hypothesis. I suspect these people have been worked over in numerous ways for years now, but Kerry and his staffers.
Pres. Bush is fishing. OLN
I agree, I am also somewhat confused about how the libs, who are so anti-military, could embrace this the way they are.
I saw that post too. There were several from RiverRat in that thread. Somewhat understandable, but in this situation, men of good conscience need to stand up.
Between the Boston papers, Bill O'Reilly(I will never forgive him) and Susan Estrich(please please GO AWAY!) the swiftboatvets need to get on the offense.
There are lots of little questions like yours. They did get a lot of medals - Bronze Stars with V, Navy Commendation medals with V etc....
I'd like to see their service records.
I'd like to see whose payroll they are on right now.
Sometimes and OIC can do other little favors. They only did 18 patrols in 48 days. Most patrols are less than 24 hours. Sometimes when a boat would go out on it's own, they probably didn't really patrol. They went out to take 8MM movies and smoke some pot. The crew would love that.
Also I gather as Kerry was leaving, his crew complained about being left behind and he got them transferred.
It is difficult to understand the motivations if all of this is just from their embarrasment.
All it would take would be one incident...
OREilly is going RAt on us.
He's interviewing Ben Affleck now.
Letting him get away with all the rat talking points about the economy, claiming he's an independent, BS.
I'm gonna have to log off tonight.
getting too pissed off.
One other thing bothers me.
That Green Beret Kerry risked his life to save and get the Bronze Star. Most (if not all) PCFs hard cargo nets draped over their bows. If a man is in the water and not injured all that is required is to bring the bow to him, let him hook his arm through the cargo net and get the hell out of there. No reason to stop the boat and haul him out of the water while under fire.
This is actually supported by reports from the crews of other boats on the scene that said there was no enemy fire at that time.
Someone else (the GB?) claims that Kerry was shot. Kerry was NEVER hit by a bullet.
There may be something to the "shared atrocity" theory.
I think Kerry is the liar. I'll say it to anyone.
He's hiding his military records from us. That tells me all I need to know.
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