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Junior Dems going after FreeRepublic and Swift Boat Veterans
Political Animal/Media Matters ^ | 8/6/04 | Kevin Drum, various

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:30:22 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

FReeper and co-author of 'Unfit for Command' Jerome R. Corsi, PhD is being attacked on WashingtonMonthly and MediaMatters.

From WashingtonMonthly:

LUNATICS?....A few misguided souls took issue with my cavalier dismissal of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth as "certifiable lunatics" yesterday. If you're one of them, I have two words for you: click here.

It turns out I was being too kind....

That leads to this MediaMatters page:

While much has been written about the identity and history of John E. O'Neill -- one of the authors of the forthcoming Regnery book Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry (whose links in the GOP go back to his days as "protégé of Nixon-era dirty trickster Charles Colson") -- little has been said about his co-author, Jerome R. Corsi, PhD.

That's followed by a list of his posts on FR, with links. The only one I looked at was taken out of context.

And, they even go into his pet names for our favorite celebrities, such as "Little Katie Communist". And?

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonmonthly.com ...


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1 posted on 08/06/2004 8:30:22 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Also, note that Media Matters employs Duncan B. Black, who is better known as Atrios of atrios.blogspot.com

A Usenet posting I saw with the same information as the Media Matters page identified it as having come from Daily Kos, which may or may not be accurate. Kos is the blogger who said "fuck 'em" regarding the four contractors who were killed in Iraq a couple months ago.


2 posted on 08/06/2004 8:33:20 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com (http://lonewacko.com/blog)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Regardless of who is or is not a looney, this whole issue would go away for Kerry if he would RELEASE ALL OF HIS MILITARY AND MEDICAL RECORDS.

While he's at it, Teresa's tax returns would clear up a lot of things.


3 posted on 08/06/2004 8:33:35 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Those Swift Boat Vets are Viet Nam War heroes. They all received medals of honor. Are they attacking war heroes now? I thought that was taboo!

I guess they want all records opened, then, so we can see who's telling the truth and who is lying, aye? Seeing that all the Vets concerned are equally qualified for the presidency, according to Kerry's rules, let us find out who's the most qualified.
Release all Kerry's military records (like the honorable President Bush freely released his).

4 posted on 08/06/2004 8:36:24 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Hey this is the "reenactment" of that Vietnam war all over again and the enemy is still the same. JFKerry is their "commander-in-chief" and he reported for duty last week.

The time has come to engage this bunch of cowards head on, too many of we American quietly took all their lies, and degradation of this nation and no more, they want a fight its time to expose them for the low life they are.
5 posted on 08/06/2004 8:38:18 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

John Kerry is either a "war hero" or a "war criminal"

Can't have it both ways.

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

(He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip
LONG BEFORE THE '04 Election)

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3


6 posted on 08/06/2004 8:50:32 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Just say NO to TV and Cable "News" , "Polls" and "Election Results")
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Check out this thread of Anti-John Kerry signs!
7 posted on 08/06/2004 8:51:21 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Liberal Washingtom Monthly blog also has some defenders of Corsi and of SwiftVets. -- Many supporters and opponents use colorful or coarse language on blogs. All should reign in bile, and speak well as they would before their mother.


8 posted on 08/06/2004 8:56:00 PM PDT by USMCVIETVET (Kerry No Special Friend to Jews or Israel)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Perhaps they can take my post out of context. I just gave $100 to the Swift Boat Vets, and I am so proud of them.
9 posted on 08/06/2004 9:03:55 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Dreier; Too bad, he used to be a good guy. Now he's a good example.)
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To: USMCVIETVET

So, did anybody see anything that Corsi said that wasn't true?


10 posted on 08/06/2004 9:07:02 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

This is weak stuff for consumption of lefties and talking head journalists. They are trying to dissuade talking head journalists from touching any of this stuff. It could work. However, if the vets get more of a forum for telling their story besides the sound bites in the ad then it will be powerful, powerful stuff. This attack-the-messenger stuff will not work effectively against multiple eye-witnesses if they get a chance to get their story out. The sliver doctor's story is good stuff.


12 posted on 08/06/2004 9:08:00 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Kos is the blogger who said "fuck 'em" regarding the four contractors who were killed in Iraq a couple months ago.

What a punk.

13 posted on 08/06/2004 9:14:05 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: plain talk

Ben Stein's ready to field for the swiftvets, too. He's more respected than many realize.


14 posted on 08/06/2004 9:14:55 PM PDT by txhurl (A splinter, shorter than a staple, about as thick, barely stuck in his skin = Kerry a purple heart.)
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To: unsycophant
What's even more amazing is now that Lady Hon has been outed as neither conservative nor human, some supposedly loyal posters here will still run back play in the dung with beetles.
15 posted on 08/06/2004 9:16:23 PM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...coming soon!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I am SO tired of Kerry being referred to as a "war hero." Who started this, when did they do so, and upon what do they base their title?
16 posted on 08/06/2004 9:16:32 PM PDT by Watery Tart (Count the military votes this time!)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com; MeekOneGOP; shaggy eel; Bob J; Jim Robinson; DoughtyOne; JohnHuang2; Mia T; ...

The Bonny Fwank in trousers-Anne-Lewis-led John Kerry Campaign has pulled a Monica Lewinski on US and just about all of US -- just as we did when the same manifestation-of-evil machine "leaked" Lewinski -- have fallen for it.

Here we are froth-and-foam-flecked fuming about a Birnam Wood charade that Kerry carefully staged and shot thirty-five years ago on location in South East Asia and meanwhile the candidate's intervening thirty-five years whose only connecting thread has been his consistent and persistent aid and comfort to our nation's enemies and which have included the Hanoi-John treasons, the failed congressional run and lieutenant-governorship and years and years of effectively-failed senate membership.

I love the Swift-Boat Men and all they stand for but by focusing on them we are validating Kerry's claim that his thirty-five years ago sixteen weeks on location in Vietnam qualifies yet another "DemocRAT" less-than-a-man who has never had a job or met a payroll to be president of the United States of America? To achieve Dunsinane?

We want that Birnam Wood comes to Dunsinane?

Lets please move on to the other thity-five years.

BUMPping


17 posted on 08/06/2004 9:16:50 PM PDT by Brian Allen (I am, thank God, a hyphenated American -- An AMERICAN-American -- and A Dollar-a-Day FReeper!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Seems every time I "click on" to some article/web-site purporting to rebut the Swift Boat Vets, it ultimately takes me to Joe Conason and "Salon"...what's that all about? And BYW, is Conason a P.H.D. of any kind? (Not that that's any guarantee, of course, but you know what I mean!)
18 posted on 08/06/2004 9:17:02 PM PDT by 88keys
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To: txflake

The Sat morning fox money shows have devolved into political shows (kinda wget tired of broker dudes aruing about politics). I sure hope Stein is on as he will come to their defense. Not sure about any of the others include Forbes himself. For the most part, conservative media people are scared to death of this.


19 posted on 08/06/2004 9:21:13 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Today John Kerry said he would have us out of Iraq in a year.
If you are one of the terrorist in Iraq what would you plan of action be today? If I may be so bold as to put myself in the mindset of the terrorist this is what I would think:

1. If John Kerry is elected my enemy will leave Iraq.
2. If I can kill more American soldiers it will make the
election of John Kerry more likely.
3. My enemies enemy is my friend.

John Kerry's lies about the war in Vietnam caused more American Soldiers to die. The Vietnam Veterans against the war (LED BY JOHN KERRY) were essential to the war effort of North Vietnam, per General Giap the commander of the North Vietnamese Army.

The actions of John Kerry 30 plus years ago resulted in deaths of American Soldiers by provided aid and comfort to the enemy. The actions of John Kerry today provide aid and comfort to the enemy and DO RESULT in the death of American Soldiers.
20 posted on 08/06/2004 9:21:46 PM PDT by cpdiii ( Oil field trash ( and proud of it) turned pharmacist.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Oh my gosh, we're famous. Break out the champaign!


21 posted on 08/06/2004 9:22:39 PM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: Just mythoughts
they want a fight its time to expose them for the low life they are.

We shouldn't have to, they have done it themselves. The Clinton's exposed themselves for the lowlifes they are, and the public is supposed to adore them. Kerry and his unreal wife have done the same many times now, yet he is running neck and neck with Bush. I don't know what it takes anymore for the people in this country to reject unfit politicians like this! I never thought someone who sided with Jane Fonda about this country would EVER be considered for President.

22 posted on 08/06/2004 9:27:29 PM PDT by ladyinred (What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

junior dems, is that kind of like a Stalin Youth League?


23 posted on 08/06/2004 9:29:12 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it)
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To: unsycophant

Thanks for the info.

I wondered why Hon was banned.


24 posted on 08/06/2004 9:30:34 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: cpdiii
I noticed the report that Kerry said on a PBS interview that he's get the troops out of Iraq in a year. That is an incredibly stupid comment for someone who allegedly knows his history and approaches questions in a nuanced manner.

Anyone who's cracked a competent history of WW II knows that the process of establishing stable, democratic governments in Japan and Germany after that war took four years in each nation. At that point, major numbers of American troops could and were withdrawn.

Only a total dummy would assert that the modernization of Iraq is an easier process than the same in Japan and Germany then. So, either Kerry is a dummy (which I do not believe, based on personal experience), or he is a geopolitical moron (which seems to be the case), to make this "one-year" claim.

Congressman Billybob

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25 posted on 08/06/2004 9:33:08 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: cpdiii

I agree. And I think he knows this will just embolden the enemy but HE DOESN'T CARE. Anything for a couple of votes.


26 posted on 08/06/2004 9:44:06 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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To: Congressman Billybob
So, either Kerry is a dummy (which I do not believe, based on personal experience), or he is a geopolitical moron (which seems to be the case), to make this "one-year" claim.

Or, based on my observations from afar, the "one year" line was simply the money shot in that day's pandering script, to be promptly flushed down the memory hole when it became inconvenient to have it associated with him.

27 posted on 08/06/2004 9:44:08 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC ( John F'in Kerry - the gift that keeps on giving to the Bush campaign.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com; All
Over 100 Links to Anti-Kerry Websites all on one Page
has a new URL address:

(The previous address had insufficient bandwith and was constantly overloaded.)
This is an excellent site to Bookmark:

Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

28 posted on 08/06/2004 9:48:23 PM PDT by CaraM
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To: Bob J
Lady Hon. LOL. Antifreeping became so mean and ugly I guess I can understand a little why the newer un-afers don't want to get caught posting there. Most probably don't want their friends to know that they are involved in such filthy behavior, and especially involved with people who file complaints against FR with everyone under the sun, or work with the opposition to help get Kerry elected because they hate FR *that much*. There are some who don't seem to think it matters, that it's all giggles and fun--and maybe it doesn't matter--but then why do they hide their FR identities? Wish I understood. :: shrug ::

It's shabby behavior to say the least. As President Bush said, 'You're either with us, or against us.' If it works for him, it works for me.

29 posted on 08/06/2004 9:53:58 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Correct. Kerry wanted "All vietnam All the time" now he's got it. He copied President Bush (no surprise) and told us to "bring it on!" So we did.


30 posted on 08/06/2004 9:54:25 PM PDT by Libertina (Keep this tag line open for John Kerry: He may need to communicate with a commoner.)
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To: 88keys
Seems every time I "click on" to some article/web-site purporting to rebut the Swift Boat Vets, it ultimately takes me to Joe Conason and "Salon"...what's that all about?

That is about a once popular website that fell apart in 2000 desperately trying to get its Left Wing credability back. Don't worry, no one is reading it.


31 posted on 08/06/2004 9:57:14 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Dreier; Too bad, he used to be a good guy. Now he's a good example.)
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To: ladyinred

"We shouldn't have to, they have done it themselves. The Clinton's exposed themselves for the lowlifes they are, and the public is supposed to adore them. Kerry and his unreal wife have done the same many times now, yet he is running neck and neck with Bush. I don't know what it takes anymore for the people in this country to reject unfit politicians like this! I never thought someone who sided with Jane Fonda about this country would EVER be considered for President."


It is called public education. Personally living through the Clintons administration was quite instructive to the method of operation .... lies and deception followed with lying accusations.


32 posted on 08/06/2004 9:59:20 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: rwfromkansas

No problem. I only found the posts on bartcop because someone earlier posted the rant about Corsi and I followed the link to mediamatters and then bartcop, and found the posts from him there. I don't really know much about the bartcop site, never really followed anything to do with it before. It seemed to lean way left.


33 posted on 08/06/2004 10:04:01 PM PDT by unsycophant
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To: ladyinred
"Kerry and his unreal wife have done the same many times now, yet he is running neck and neck with Bush. I don't know what it takes anymore for the people in this country to reject unfit politicians like this!"

The unfortunate truth is that too many peoples' 'reality' is whatever the media want it to be. People believe what they read and hear, especially if they hear it over and over and over.

34 posted on 08/06/2004 10:05:21 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: cpdiii
Today John Kerry said he would have us out of Iraq in a year.

Sooner than that. They didn't call it Operation RAW for nothing in his glory days.

35 posted on 08/06/2004 10:26:28 PM PDT by sevry
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA

I have $20 in my wallet. Do you want to match it and buy out salon.com with me???


36 posted on 08/06/2004 10:54:06 PM PDT by flashbunny (Click on my name to see a nifty John Kerry bumper sticker!!! I dare you!!!)
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To: cpdiii

Incisive and on the mark.


37 posted on 08/06/2004 10:54:32 PM PDT by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: plain talk

---However, if the vets get more of a forum for telling their story besides the sound bites in the ad then it will be powerful, powerful stuff.---

The book is currently number 1 on Amazon's hit parade.


38 posted on 08/06/2004 11:34:45 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: unsycophant

Doc, you're a rare gem. Thanks so much, for all you do.


39 posted on 08/07/2004 4:21:55 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Brian Allen; PhilDragoo; Liz; onyx; nicmarlo; Happy2BMe; potlatch; devolve; MEG33; Grampa Dave; ...
Interesting thread here, folks! Check it out.



Thanks for the ping here, Brian.

If Kerry wasn't making those 16 weeks the centerpiece of his campaign ("I'm John Kerry reporting for duty"), I wouldn't give a rats arse. But HE is the one making himself out to be some war hero - which he's NOT! He's just the opposite, and the biggest LIAR I think I've ever seen. I support these SwiftVets. I'm sure the DemocRATS will play this as part of the VRWC at play again. Bush is smartly staying out of it so far, not mentioning Kerry's service in his speeches (none I've heard of, anyway). But Kerry NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED for what he is:


My thanks to Traumer, Arrowhead1952 and Conspiracy Guy for the concept of this pic


40 posted on 08/07/2004 4:42:01 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

You will not see him release any of these records. I think he is on anti-depress.


41 posted on 08/07/2004 4:47:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry and The Taxocrates must be defeated, Flush the 2 John's)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com; Brian Allen; Alamo-Girl; onyx; ALOHA RONNIE; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; ...
Very interesting thread. Thanks for posting this, lonewacko_dot_com .....

Junior Dems going after FreeRepublic
and Swift Boat Veterans

FReeper and co-author of 'Unfit for Command' Jerome R. Corsi, PhD is being attacked on WashingtonMonthly and MediaMatters .....


My thanks to Traumer, Arrowhead1952 and Conspiracy Guy for the concept of this pic


Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.


42 posted on 08/07/2004 4:50:20 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: TheCrusader
The unfortunate truth is that too many peoples' 'reality' is whatever the media want it to be. People believe what they read and hear, especially if they hear it over and over and over.

I constantly hear from Hanoi John’s supporters - “I’ll believe it when I see it on ABC, CBS, NBC or even CNN”. When a story critical of Hanoi John does (very rarely) appear, they come back with - “Well, you can’t believe everything to see on TV”.
43 posted on 08/07/2004 4:53:34 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
A good thing, actually. This will lead to a lot more hits to FR from people generally and in those in the MSM who might actually want to investigate Kerry's time in the Mekong delta (iirc).

Any libs reading this, such as Drum or Atrios? Well guys, your candidate is a certifiable ass clown. Would Bush have reacted this way? Nope, he would have kept his cool while it blew over. Look what he did with Moore's flick. He kept his mouth shut while others did the spadework on Moore's agitprop film (Sullivan, Hitchens, et. al., took Moore apart). That's good aikido, in my book.

Kerry doesn't know how to use his opponent's momentum against him. Bush does. Kerry lets his vanity and his ego get in the way of his good sense. Instead of letting this story die, Kerry has magnified it.

Four more years, guys. Get used to it.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

44 posted on 08/07/2004 4:59:15 AM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
It's interesting that Kerry claims to be a 'war hero' but refuses to release ALL of his military and medical records while GW Bush did release all of his records when his military service was questioned! What is Kerry hiding?

Also, Kerry seems to be focused on the 7 minutes after GW was informed that a plane had hit the WTC. We, as voters, ought to be focused on where John Kerry was for the 7 minutes preceding the VVAW vote to assassinate US Congressmen......

45 posted on 08/07/2004 5:07:37 AM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: MeekOneGOP

Well, well, no wonder Hillary wants to get control of what goes on on the internet. FR is here and it isn't going away.


46 posted on 08/07/2004 5:10:30 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: concerned about politics
Those Swift Boat Vets are Viet Nam War heroes.

Absolutely!

They all received medals of honor.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I don't doubt that many of them received honorable medals, but there are 250 members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. There were only 245 Medal of Honor winners in all of the Vietnam conflict (1964 - 1972) and they certainly weren't all given to Swift Boat officers who served in 1968 with John Kerry.

Are they attacking war heroes now?

Yep. The dims are pretty sleazy. It's real hard for them to squawk about anything anyone says about Kerry after the way they've embraced the lunatic fringe, including Michale Moore and the Deaniacs.

47 posted on 08/07/2004 5:21:26 AM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; Mia T; potlatch; ntnychik; onyx; Smartass

         



48 posted on 08/07/2004 5:43:24 AM PDT by devolve (TERRY KERRY: http://pro.lookingat.us/ShoveIt.html -- http://pro.lookingat.us/TeresaWendys.html --)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Why does anyone pay any attention to Media Matters AKA David Brock, a man who is a pathological liar by his own admission?


49 posted on 08/07/2004 5:45:33 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

I wish he would say that in front of me. The little besumthin commie. American Blood Is Precious! Bush/Cheney2004


50 posted on 08/07/2004 6:08:47 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62))
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