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Lesbians sue Catholic school for refusing daughter
CW News ^ | 8/6/04 | CW News

Posted on 08/06/2004 8:52:40 PM PDT by freedom44

Eugene, Oregon, Aug. 06 (LifesiteNews.com/CWN) - A lesbian couple has sued a Catholic school and its parish after a daughter was refused admittance.

After describing her irregular domestic arrangement to school principal Dianne Bert last year, Lee Inkmann was told her daughter would not be allowed to attend O'Hara Catholic School, because the lesbian relationship conflicted with Church doctrine, and could be confusing to other pupils. Inkmann and partner Trish Wilson are suing for $550,000 in damages, naming the school principal, as well as Father Mark Bachmeier, pastor of St. Mary's Catholic Church, in their claim.

Portland Archdiocese spokesman Bud Bunce told the Associated Press that the "archdiocese plans a vigorous defense ... it is believed that this situation was handled appropriately. The lawsuit filed includes numerous false statements of fact, and is believed to be totally without merit."


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KEYWORDS: antichristian; catholicschool; catholicschools; dykes; homosexualagenda; homosexuallist; lawsuit; lesbians; livinginsin; lovely; permissivesociety; religion; religiousintolerance; sodomites
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1 posted on 08/06/2004 8:52:41 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

Set up


2 posted on 08/06/2004 8:56:04 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: freedom44
Yet another sterling example of homosexuals attempting to force private organizations to bend to their perverted will.

I hope to God that the courts recognize that a private school bears the right to refuse service to anyone.

3 posted on 08/06/2004 8:57:14 PM PDT by Prime Choice (When Clinton lies, he insults our integrity. When Kerry lies, he insults our intelligence.)
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To: freedom44

Sick


4 posted on 08/06/2004 9:00:07 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: freedom44
Expect the same sort of lawsuits if same sex marriages are legalized and a church refuses to perform a ceremony for such an abomination.

Same with same sex married couples who seek to have church memberships.

5 posted on 08/06/2004 9:00:47 PM PDT by weegee (YOU could have been aborted, and you wouldn't have had a CHOICE about it.)
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To: freedom44
Lesbians are cute and cuddly
6 posted on 08/06/2004 9:01:00 PM PDT by bikepacker67 (Sandy wasn't stuffing his socks, he was stuffing A sock.)
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To: freedom44

I think we should have a constitutional amendment to guarantee the right of freedom of association. The right should not be abridged under any circumstances.

It is far too easy to sue in this country. The legal profession has become an extortion industry that is growing like a cancer.

We need to do something to discourage this sort of thing.


7 posted on 08/06/2004 9:01:33 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Prime Choice

I hope to God that the courts recognize that a private school bears the right to refuse service to anyone.

What these smarmy lawyers are doing right now is researching every lease, contract or grant that the church has with any local, state or Federal agency.

Americans seem to have accepted the notion that once we accept one thin dime from government or one any legal privilege from tax-excempt status, then we give up everything guaranteed by the bill of rights.

This is not the way it should be. Our government should not be allowed to purchase our freedom from us.

8 posted on 08/06/2004 9:11:19 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: freedom44
Homosexuality is unbiblical. It's a Satanic ritual. Why would a school teaching the word of God even consider opening the doors for them? Are they nuts, too?
Let them start their own School of Satan. Then all the homo kids will have a bath house of their own to learn in.

Personally, I wouldn't let the child of a homo near my kids, either. I'd tell them to get lost and to stay away from my children.

9 posted on 08/06/2004 9:12:16 PM PDT by concerned about politics ( Liberals are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: freedom44

What's amazing is that you've got people who honestly believe that homosexuals only want equal rights. These perverts could go to any other school, even public but they decide to go to a Catholic school, probably HOPING to get turned down so they can force their will onto the school.

I sure hope the school wins but I don't have too much hope, given all these activists judges, forcing their liberal garbage onto everyone!


10 posted on 08/06/2004 9:13:06 PM PDT by Sister_T (Democrats AND The Partisan Press are the REAL enemies to freedom in the world!)
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To: freedom44

By allowing this ridiculous law suit, the state of Oregon is hindering the freedom of religion. Lawyers who file such law suits should have their license removed and have to pay the school for all their costs due to this fascist action.

Homosexuals want to rewrite the Bible but the courts have to abide by the first amendment by law. Parents have the right to bring up their children in their religious beliefs. The first amendment trumps any "diversity" rights.

Oregon is full of druggies and moonies, though, so who knows what will happen.


11 posted on 08/06/2004 9:17:47 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Sister_T

These perverts could go to any other school, even public but they decide to go to a Catholic school, probably HOPING to get turned down so they can force their will onto the school.

The picked on the Catholic Church because:
1. The Catholic Church has deep pockets
2. The Church has a reputation for paying off litigants

12 posted on 08/06/2004 9:18:01 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: freedom44

IMO they should have informed of doctrine and took the kid though.


13 posted on 08/06/2004 9:20:36 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: weegee
... and weegee gets tonight's door prize, with a tip of the hat! Weegee has given us of the two actual reasons we see leftists pushing for gay marriage. The other has to do with gays adopting kids siezed from repressive patriarchal ( = Christian) homes by the ever-ready DFS bureaucrats and "family" (secret) courts. A new source of fresh meat is needed, you see.

Back in the big gay pride parade early in the glorious reign of Lord Hee-Haw or Arkansas, there were quite a few statements and placcards stating that "we want your kids." Still think they were just spouting rhetoric to be offensive?

14 posted on 08/06/2004 9:22:32 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Sister_T

Church will win they can just close the school more money in private daycare anyway.


15 posted on 08/06/2004 9:30:08 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: KingNo155

I feel sorry for the kids involved in this. How humiliating for them. Those lesbians could have put the child in a private non religious school. What's wrong with them making their children subject to ridicule.


16 posted on 08/06/2004 9:33:14 PM PDT by Merry
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To: freedom44

I gotta wonder how they went about this. I imagine them opening a phone book to look for a Catholic school, go there, and then proceed to sue.


17 posted on 08/06/2004 9:36:17 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: freedom44

This poor little girl is the lesbian's sacrificial lamb. These perverts could care less about where she goes to school, they're using her to make a political statement.


18 posted on 08/06/2004 9:37:56 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: savagesusie
Want to bet? Sandra Day O'Connor, writing for the Supreme Court's majority in the Grutter decision last year, ruled that "diversity" was a "compelling state interest" and thus overruled the Constitution's 14th amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law. The same court basically overruled the 1st amendment last December in the "Campaign Finance Reform" case. It's only a matter of time and more legal precedent.
19 posted on 08/06/2004 9:39:05 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: Dan Evans
"The Catholic Church has deep pockets"

Not anymore. The Vatican has been running in the red for years now, donations are way down, and the avericious victims of some pervert priests and their attornies have stripped millions of dollars from the entire Church in America. Hundres of churches are closing their doors, Church buildings are being sold off, and thousands of Catholic charities and missions no longer have the capacity to cope with the needs of the poor. But the lawyers are doing very well these days.

20 posted on 08/06/2004 9:48:51 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: concerned about politics

What does this have to do about the kids,your post is strange to accuse kids of this.


21 posted on 08/06/2004 9:55:31 PM PDT by fatima (My Granddaughter Karen is Home-WOOHOO We unite with all our troops and send our love-)
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To: freedom44
I have this image of 16th century Spain and a couple of female perverts telling the priests, "OK, us lesbos want you to do it this way!"

"What are the tribunal's instructions, Fra. Jacobo?"

"Set up two stakes and see if you can't find some of the slow burning tinder."

22 posted on 08/06/2004 10:01:34 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: freedom44

Put some Federal money in there from the voucher system and see what happens. This is why I am against vouchers.


23 posted on 08/06/2004 10:02:44 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: freedom44; Devil_Anse

Sue Sue Sue.....didn't ping you here for discussion just to concur what we already know. Stupid BS.


24 posted on 08/06/2004 10:07:18 PM PDT by oceanperch ( 04 Bush.....He will continue to lead America with the Lords Blessing)
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To: freedom44

... and just when they thought they had the situation licked.


25 posted on 08/06/2004 10:14:45 PM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: TheCrusader

No excuses for either the Church Heirarchy nor the attorneys...this attorney stuff reminds me about a story concerning 30 pieces of silver...


26 posted on 08/06/2004 10:16:57 PM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: freedom44
Well since the Oregon Archdiocese has filed bankruptcy I don't see them getting a dime.

Good for the Catholic Church to stick to doctrine.

When are these folks choosing alternative lifestyles going to understand that somethings are not yours to have.

It is common sense with our family that not everything in life is doable we live life to the fullest choosing what options we have. That being my son is a medically fragile quadriplegic. We are not accepted everywhere but we are in others.

We don't expect everyone to like us or accept us.

The homosexuals need to balance out their overbearing ways and enjoy life instead of picking sue fights and being victims. THey are choosing to be victims.

They are not winning friends by aleinating those in the community by their actions.
27 posted on 08/06/2004 10:17:37 PM PDT by oceanperch ( 04 Bush.....He will continue to lead America with the Lords Blessing)
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To: freedom44

This is nothing more than testing the waters for the first time a church refuses to marry a gay couple.

Newest tactic with these people - if the voters don't do what they want, the government won't do what they want - sue em.


28 posted on 08/06/2004 10:21:23 PM PDT by Brytani (Stop, hey, what's that sound, it's just John Kerry flip-flopping around!!!)
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To: freedom44

They want HALF A MILLION BUCKS because their child is not allowed into a private school?

*ROFLMAO*...that's nuts.
I mean even if they had a case the monetary demand is ludicrous.
Half a million for hurt feelings?

Well, boo-feckin-hoo-hoo-hoo!


29 posted on 08/06/2004 10:22:00 PM PDT by Happygal ('No one works harder for his money than the man who marries it.')
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To: freedom44

Maybe the school should close, because the parish can't afford the law suit?.

And then the parents of all the children currently attending the school should sue these sorry bitches for denying their children an education?


30 posted on 08/06/2004 10:23:36 PM PDT by Happygal ('No one works harder for his money than the man who marries it.')
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To: freedom44

the poor child needs to be placed with a normal family and let the two weirdos continue on their path to hell.


31 posted on 08/06/2004 10:25:11 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: TheCrusader
This poor little girl is the lesbian's sacrificial lamb. These perverts could care less about where she goes to school, they're using her to make a political statement

You are quite right!

32 posted on 08/06/2004 10:25:48 PM PDT by Happygal ('No one works harder for his money than the man who marries it.')
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To: concerned about politics

It's not the child's fault! This child is a victim of two adult perverts.


33 posted on 08/06/2004 10:27:37 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Brytani

Sorry, this isn't a marriage issue, this is a school admittance issue. Can I be permitted to believe that the child is blameless for the act of her parent{s}? Why not educate this child, she's not responsible for the behavior of those she lives with.


34 posted on 08/06/2004 10:28:01 PM PDT by hunter112 (Take this John and shove it!)
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To: Dan Evans

The picked on the Catholic Church because:
1. The Catholic Church has deep pockets
2. The Church has a reputation for paying off litigants
AND
3. The Catholic Church in OREGON has a tidal wave of KNOWN sexual predators who were KNOWN to be protected by the Church structure, who practiced homosexual rape of boys in the confessinals and schools... and has NO MORAL leg to stand on in the courts.

If it's okay for the priests to commit homosexual acts, in the very schools they run, HOW can they refuse access to children of legally married homosexual lesbians in the community?

THAT is the angle of approach.
And the church is powerless to resist them, as the entire archdiocese has filed bankruptsy and will be OUT OF BUSINESS in the state by year's end... BARRING a succesful "hail mary".

If you think about it... and you reap what you sow, then organizations who allow homosexual pediatric rape, will be subject to outbreaks of homosexual issues related to their interaction with children in the entire field where that "seed" was planted. Some 30, 60 and 100 fold.

Maybe if the Church deals in finality with their pedophilic homosexuality protectorate in the NW... God will enable them to THEN deal with straightening out the homosexual moms in their local parishes.


35 posted on 08/06/2004 10:31:55 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: freedom44
If private schools ever get government funds through vouchers, they will destroy private education this way.

education tax credits of $5000 per child would be the better way to go.


How in the name of um... did they reap $550,000 in damages??
36 posted on 08/06/2004 10:42:17 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: Dan Evans

the first amendment includes the freedom of association I believe.


37 posted on 08/06/2004 10:43:44 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: Bogolyubski

The bench has been thoroughly infested, that is for sure. Logic has been ignored by the legal profession, but if logic prevaled, then the 1st Amendment would definately trump a "right" to a behavior. That a "behavior" could be equated with a race is bizarre. Also, it was wrong to violate the "freedom of association"--that was a dangerous precedent.


38 posted on 08/06/2004 10:45:21 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: freedom44
This has been brewing for a while. My understanding, from an early media account that has never been repeated, is that these wimyn expected the school to teach the girl that their relationship was good and proper, and that was the school's basis for rejecting her admittance. For more than a year though, the couple has been attempting to try this in the local paper based on the story that the school rejected her based solely on their lesbianism. Personally, I don't think the school would have done that.

The repeated publicity around here seemed geared toward raising a public outcry and getting some kind of a settlement. Recently the archdiocese filed bankruptcy to avoid getting cleaned out from a number of sexual abuse lawsuits that are in process. That action probably forced their hand. The church's adversaries are presently challenging claims the archdiocese has made regarding the ownership of significant portions of it's assets. The wimyn probably figure there's a window of opportunity to collect some kind of settlement while all that is being hashed out. The bankruptcy court would probably let the church buy them off to get them out of the mix. Their claim would be small potatoes compared to what's at stake in the altar boy sex abuse claims, where a handful of men about my age have claimed a lifetime of anguish due to abuse by a now very elderly and mentally incapacitated priest. The church seems to be betting the men are going to win big, it is presently not hurting for money.

39 posted on 08/06/2004 10:56:38 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Going partly violent to the thing since Nov. 25, 2000.)
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To: freedom44

I am a big proponent of picking your mountains to climb, and this is one that I would not have chosen. I would have found some other reason to deny the girl entrance to the school. I would have interviewed the parents and asked them questions concerning their ability to support the Christian doctrine. This is an obvious set up, and I would not have fallen for it.


40 posted on 08/06/2004 11:02:56 PM PDT by Eva
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To: savagesusie
Oregon is full of druggies and moonies...

Hey. I forcibly ran some moonies off my property back in '79, and that's the last I have seen any of them. Dunno if I could challenge your druggie claim though - I do drink a lot of coffee.

41 posted on 08/06/2004 11:04:14 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Going partly violent to the thing since Nov. 25, 2000.)
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To: GeronL

the first amendment includes the freedom of association I believe.

They say it is implied by freedom of assembly. I would rather have it spelled out.

But the real problem is that a long time ago someone decided that rights are somehow nullified if we are engaged in commerce. I've always thought that was a swindle.

42 posted on 08/06/2004 11:05:40 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: Dave in Eugene of all places

Update from this very minute on the eleven o'clock news... One of the sex abuse claimants (an attorney, go figure) has today admitted he made up his story.


43 posted on 08/06/2004 11:07:43 PM PDT by Clinging Bitterly (Going partly violent to the thing since Nov. 25, 2000.)
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To: Dan Evans

How do you nullify a right??


44 posted on 08/06/2004 11:14:31 PM PDT by GeronL (geocities.com/geronl is back, or will be)
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To: Merry
Those lesbians could have put the child in a private non religious school. What's wrong with them making their children subject to ridicule.

Parochial school tuition is a fourth the cost of private school tuition?

45 posted on 08/07/2004 5:27:22 AM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: hunter112

Why put the other children who also attend the school in a position to deal with the child of lesbians? How will the child react when the school teaches, rightly so, that homosexuality is a sin?

It isn't like this child can not be educated elsewhere. She is not being denied an education. She is being denied admittance to one school. Are you saying there aren't other places she can go to be educated?


46 posted on 08/07/2004 6:38:06 AM PDT by Brytani (Stop, hey, what's that sound, it's just John Kerry flip-flopping around!!!)
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To: GeronL

How do you nullify a right??

One way is to purchase it with tax breaks. For example, non-profit organizations are not allowed their free speech rights. Same way with people who live in federally subsidized apartments.

Rights are also bartered away. Giving corporations and HMO's certain kinds of legal immunity in exchange for their first amendment rights.

Another way is to claim that the right of the federal government to regulate commerce somehow trumps an individual's right to free speech.

47 posted on 08/07/2004 5:13:41 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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Why put the other children who also attend the school in a position to deal with the child of lesbians?

Are you going to keep these other children in some kind of a cocoon where they never see the children of lesbians, or of color, or of the wrong political belief set, etc.? Your statement about this child being educated elsewhere means that the kids in the OTHER school are going to have to deal with it, instead. Are Catholic kids any better than anyone else?

How will the child react when the school teaches, rightly so, that homosexuality is a sin?

Do you think that the lesbian parents haven't figured this one out? Do you think that they haven't explained to this child, much as interracial parents have for decades, "There are people who don't like us. You need to tell us if something harmful happens, but you will probably not be able to change those peoples' minds about us." No doubt, they'd have to give the child the same speech if enrolled in ANY school.

48 posted on 08/08/2004 1:20:07 PM PDT by hunter112 (Take this John and shove it!)
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To: hunter112

Parents who do not want their young children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle should have the choice to do so. Regardless if you agree with that or not. Should the church change its teaching because homosexuals are offended?

As for Catholic kids being better than others, they do receive better education. That is a fact. It is also a fact that a private religious organization has the right to decide what students they will accept and which students they will not.

Your second point is ridiculous. This tendency for liberals to equate homosexuality to race is ridiculous. NOBODY has the choice as to what color skin they are born with or what ethnic group they are born into. EVERYBODY has a choice as to who they will live with, have sex with on a regular basis and decide to live their lives with.


49 posted on 08/08/2004 1:58:23 PM PDT by Brytani (Stop, hey, what's that sound, it's just John Kerry flip-flopping around!!!)
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To: Brytani
Parents who do not want their young children exposed to the homosexual lifestyle should have the choice to do so.

Too late, we're not going back to a time when we pretended that homosexuals didn't exist. If you could censor all the TV, magazines, etc., you still wouldn't be able to keep track of all the conversations kids have with each other. Even if a family wishes to teach that homosexuality is wrong, it cannot do so with a tactic that completely denies the existence of it. It's out there in the newspapers every day, the more forbidden that you make the information, the more the young people will want to read about it.

Besides, are you afraid this child is going to bring a vibrator to "show and tell"? It's just not going to come up in everyday conversation on the Catholic school playground.

Should the church change its teaching because homosexuals are offended?

I've never advocated that. I would, however, expect the school to make at least small attempts to prevent this child from being abused by peers who would tease about it. Maybe you're comfortable with the epithet "fag" being hurled around school hallways, both public and private, but I hope we'd find a way to move beyond that. What better place than a school that teaches moral instruction to educate its students not to name-call?

As for Catholic kids being better than others, they do receive better education. That is a fact.

Generally, I do believe that. I went to Catholic school for first and second grade, and I had enough knowledge packed into me, to make 3rd through 6th grades in public school seem like a free ride. But Catholic kids, as people, are no better or worse than anyone else, and I question your thinking that they somehow deserve to be shielded from the realities of the existence of homosexual people in this world.

I remember growing up with an attitude that my religion was the only "right" one, and everybody else was going to hell. We were even forbidden in that time to go to a non-Catholic church for a wedding or a funeral. It seems like not only an antiquated notion today, but somewhat anti-American, too.

This tendency for liberals to equate homosexuality to race is ridiculous. NOBODY has the choice as to what color skin they are born with or what ethnic group they are born into.

Did this child have a choice as to which family she was born into, or arrived into? The fact that she would suffer some persecution from people for what her parental figures did, puts her in the same category the children of interracial marriage, in places where such is still not accepted. She still needs coping strategies for dealing with the immaturity of people who foist their disagreement with what is done by people she loves, on her.

Disagree with the parental figures' orientation all you wish, as I see it, there is no rational reason to deny this child what we both acknowledge is a quality education, if those parental figures are willing to pay for it, and are not asking for the Catholic Church to sanction their relationship.

EVERYBODY has a choice as to who they will live with, have sex with on a regular basis and decide to live their lives with.

Sorry, kids don't get that choice. Even when somebody's fighting for them. I lost half of a custody battle with my ex, when she wanted to marry a convicted child molester. I got my son's custody, but not my daughter's. Believe me, I fear child molesters far more than I do homosexuals, or the children of homosexuals.

50 posted on 08/08/2004 2:20:37 PM PDT by hunter112 (Take this John and shove it!)
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